2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Since they are not used to against the virus as you incorrectly claimed you were corrected.

You did not read my above link, did you?

 

"Many of these approved drugs are antibiotics, such as doxycycline and azithromycin, which strongly inhibit both inflammation and viral replication."

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/04/07/coronavirus-treatment-hope-with-everyday-antibiotics/

 

It would appear that antibiotics DO in fact have a role in fighting Coronavirus. It must hurt seeing Trump proven correct after all the hate and bashing.

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The post was "My 6 year old nephew knows that antibiotics are useless on ALL Viruses. " you said 'Your 6 year old will be in for a surprise. Antibiotics are being widely used in the fight against Coronavirus. It does surprise me how people can be so cocky and abrasive while being so factually incorrect?"  Since they are not used to against the virus as you incorrectly claimed you were corrected. But now you're moving the goal post by stating "are antibiotics being used on Corona patients?"

 

That was not the claim made to which you reacted.

 

You were wrong, end off.

Unfortunately, using facts against a Trump supporter is as effective as using antibiotics against a virus.  The best approach is to socially isolate them.

3 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

 

It would appear that antibiotics DO in fact have a role in fighting Coronavirus.

They may fight Inflammation ( not the virus) they may inhibit replication ( thus improving immune sytem on health cells) they not fight the primary infection. 

First year nurses know how this works, I will not inform you about the risk of a cytokine storm or its affects.

 

3 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

So with a one word answer, are antibiotics being used on Corona patients? Yes, or no?

You know fine well that a one word answer cannot give the true picture. Antibiotics are being used on some coronavirus patients who have bacterial infections that are secondary to the virus. Antibiotics are not being used to combat the virus.

 

Also, there is growing evidence that the hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin treatment is not effective and chloroquine use has already been discontinued in Sweden, for instance.

 

No Evidence of Rapid Antiviral Clearance or Clinical Benefit with the Combination of Hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin in Patients with Severe COVID-19 Infection

 

Sweden: Chloroquine trials stop due to side effects

4 hours ago, AlexRich said:

SARS-Cov-2 is a virus, so antibiotics have no effect. Did Trump not say a few weeks ago that he understood this stuff?

Inane, ill informed, highly conventional, and rather closed minded rationale. 

 

Azithromycin is also thought to have antiviral and anti-inflammatory activity and may work synergistically with other antiviral treatments. In in vitro laboratory studies azithromycin has demonstrated antiviral activity against Zika virus and against rhinoviruses, which cause the common cold.

 

https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/antibiotics-kill-coronavirus-3534867/

 

Patients with COVID-19 also have a higher risk of dying because of septic shock. Thus, there is an urgent need for treatment that can improve the patient's chance of the shortest hospitalization possible, and treatment that can lower the risk of secondary infection and death.

13 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

They may fight Inflammation ( not the virus) they may inhibit replication ( thus improving immune sytem on health cells) they not fight the primary infection. 

First year nurses know how this works, I will not inform you about the risk of a cytokine storm or its affects.

 

Not to mention that, by trying to argue that antibiotics are effective against the virus (and not just its symptoms or secondary infections), he is rather disingenuously arguing against his hero, who said that the 'germ' is too brilliant for antibiotics to have an effect. 

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

So said the Leader of the free world. The virus is a lot less dangerous than the idiot in the White house.

We have a few on this board that are Tonsil-Deep on Tedros.  ????

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

lacking any intellectual rigor

Trump fans...

 

Trump ignored warnings about the virus for more than two months. As president, he is responsible for the resulting pandemic.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=hinytmynameisben

59 minutes ago, fruitman said:

I'm surprised he has such a dumb guys writing his speeches, i bet he'll sack them today as he should.

Nah, I believe he refuses to read their speak and talk out of his hat instead. After he just need a fall guy to sack, when he realizes how bad he made himself look.

2 hours ago, Sharp said:

Do a little more research on this guy and you won't be so impressed!!!

Yes he was the Minister of Health and later Foreign Affairs in a politically repressive government, but actual health related achievements were impressive. Minister of Health would have provided a great platform  to help his own people and others with his expertise Should he have refused the role?. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom#Global_health_initiatives

2 hours ago, scorecard said:

Probably no point, if the Guinness folks stated a documented fact he didn't like he would just claim it was fake news or a hoax and dismiss them.

Yeah, you are right. I didn´t think about that factor. I also missed the other scenario, that he accepts their presence and notes. That would also be a devastation to the book, that is only going to be filled with his dumb actions.

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

So said the Leader of the free world. The virus is a lot less dangerous than the idiot in the White house.

The leader of the USA, not of other parts of the world. We didn't choose that idiot and he has nothing to rule about us. That he is blackmailing half of the world, doesn't make him a leader. 

7 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

 when he realizes how bad he made himself look.

Oh that would take some insight into his own behaviours, that is very difficult for Oz (the wizard) to do. DSM could fill another catergory from all this.

and this is POTUS speaking, repeat, repeat and repeat....

 

“It’s – it’s – there’s always a risk. This is a – this is genius that we’re fighting. You know, we’re fighting this hidden enemy, which is genius. Okay? It’s genius, the way it’s attacked so many countries at so many different angles.”

1 hour ago, TopDeadSenter said:

You did not read my above link, did you?

 

"Many of these approved drugs are antibiotics, such as doxycycline and azithromycin, which strongly inhibit both inflammation and viral replication."

https://www.expressandstar.com/news/uk-news/2020/04/07/coronavirus-treatment-hope-with-everyday-antibiotics/

 

It would appear that antibiotics DO in fact have a role in fighting Coronavirus. It must hurt seeing Trump proven correct after all the hate and bashing.

The article refers to the clinical trial in France whose conclusions have now been rejected - look it up...

Go DoJo go! You couldn't make this stuff up!

25 minutes ago, teatime101 said:

Trump fans...

 

Trump ignored warnings about the virus for more than two months. As president, he is responsible for the resulting pandemic.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-trump-response.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=hinytmynameisben

No - no - no - no....... don't start to muddle the waters now - the Chinese are responsible for the pandemic! Just listen to Faux News and you then you know for sure....!! /S

Maybe they should impeach him.  ????????????

 

Jeez, Obama once said there were 57 states.

 

Take a chill pill.

 

 

Just now, Kelsall said:

Obama once said there were 57 states.

How many people died because of it?

1 hour ago, RJRS1301 said:

WE do not always make good decisons, and the thread is not about WHO, it is about POTUS, I put the quaifications there as a reference about knowledge. 

Deflection is not a good response to a debate

You also fail to note he admitted the decison was wrong and withdrew the appointment

But, but,  you committed the crime of the century by knocking TopDeadSenter's all time hero. The most intelligent, smartest person in the world. A person who knows more about everything in the world than anybody else (and he knows some very big words too. So honest and truthful is DJT I wonder how he can live with mere mortals like the rest of the human race.

 

???? ????

2 minutes ago, Kelsall said:

Maybe they should impeach him.  ????????????

 

Jeez, Obama once said there were 57 states.

 

Take a chill pill.

 

 

That really enhances the debate. Obama has been out of the WH for some time now.

Never mind the fact that POTUS is showing incomptence on this front as people die

5 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

So said the Leader of the free world. The virus is a lot less dangerous than the idiot in the White house.

 I'd agree with you apart from the first bit. Unless you mean the leader of the fact free world. 

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

But, but,  you committed the crime of the century by knocking TopDeadSenter's all time hero. The most intelligent, smartest person in the world. A person who knows more about everything in the world than anybody else (and he knows some very big words too. So honest and truthful is DJT I wonder how he can live with mere mortals like the rest of the human race.

 

???? ????

Did not knock him, questioned his competence yes.

This pathetic creature is dangerous in his ignorance, how he ever got voted in is beyond me, however I hope the voting public of America can now see his many short comings and get rid of him as soon as possible.

msn new thorough research

I have never looked to Donald Trump for medical advice, I have sense to know a team is assembled and they, along with Trump have been addressing the nation daily. 

 

Using this as a political football is just wrong. Mistakes were made by NYC acting on what the CDC said, and WHO said.

 

The South Koreans had the path to follow. The west has been primarily wrong both in preparation and execution.

 

Lessons to be learned, and I am sure they will be.

3 minutes ago, ICELANDMAN said:

msn new thorough research

Try the actual video of the WH briefing, freely available online.

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Get your facts right.............antibiotics are not used to treat viruses and the medical profession warns against this.

 

That azithromycin may have a minor role to play (not yet fully proven) along with other drugs, is an outlier and again.......antibiotics should not be used to fight virus infections.

 

And if you are seriously suggesting that this numbnut knows anything about this, then there is no hope.

 

PS. The quote about a 6 yr old child was from an American citizen, not me!

 

 

I think antibiotics are aiding in the pneumonia caused by the virus. If that is wrong feel free to tell me. But I seem to be hearing about various antibiotics being used every day from multiple sources.

6 minutes ago, WalkingOrders said:

Using this as a political football is just wrong.

The team charged with developing a response to a pandemic was disbanded at the beginning of Trump's tenure.

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnakCpXYAInw4m?format=jpg

5 minutes ago, teatime101 said:

The team charged with developing a response to a pandemic was disbanded at the beginning of Trump's tenure.

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUnakCpXYAInw4m?format=jpg

A tweet? Please