Trump says he could bring back fired ex-national security adviser Flynn

[Eric Loh]

37 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Barr is the AG. He doesn't need any other signatures.

That’s where the suspicion of Barr acting on his own on the behest of Trump. The prosecutors of Flynn need to agree and signed on the filing motion and yet none did. One career prosecutor even resigned. Barr is doing Trump’s pardon using his AG position. 

[geriatrickid]

Flynn sold out his country. There is a reason why almost every senior officer avoided him. 

[riclag]

1 hour ago, geriatrickid said:

Flynn sold out his country. There is a reason why almost every senior officer avoided him. 

Disagree, the so called  carreer professionals at the obama adm. intel sold out my country and its institutions by entrapping flynn and mocking the rule of law!

What heads of the intel did was so egregious,“something I probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”said the director of the fbi, who was recommended for criminal prosecution!

 

Stay tuned more to come,Durham

Edited May 9, 2020 by riclag

[Sujo]

31 minutes ago, riclag said:

Disagree, the so called  carreer professionals at the obama adm. intel sold out my country and its institutions by entrapping flynn and mocking the rule of law!

What heads of the intel did was so egregious,“something I probably wouldn't have done or maybe gotten away with in a more … organized administration.”said the director of the fbi, who was recommended for criminal prosecution!

 

Stay tuned more to come,Durham

Opinion, not fact. Flynn may still be sentenced. The judge may also ask for a report about the ad dropping the case. That could get interesting.

[Sujo]

Trump supporters are funny, they love flynn. Remind me why trump fired him, oh thats right, for lying to pence about the very thing he pleaded guilty to. 

 

Of course its only treason to investigate him.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, Langsuan Man said:

14 pages of conjecture, Flynn isn't going to get hired anywhere until the judge accepts the DOJ dropping the case.  The judge doesn't need the DOJ anymore, he has a guilty plea in writing and in open court

 

I seriously have my doubts that he will dismiss the case.  This is the same judge that asked the prosecution during the plea negotiations, why Flynn wasn't charged with treason ?   The judge also told him he should take his time about pleading guilty and see if he could be of more service to the government, before he was sentenced 

Do you understand nothing of what has surfaced in recent weeks?  Some of those involved in railroading Flynn need to be charged with treason.  And I'm sure some of the players will eventually be charged with treason.  Too many people expect nothing less.

[Tippaporn]

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Who you think will be silly enough to be in Flynn’s investigation team. Perhaps only William Barr. Even his motion that he filed to dismiss the case has only his signature and non of the investigating career investigators which is highly unusual. Probably most career investigators knew this was a miscarriage of justice and a political stunt to try to dismiss the case. 

By God I truly hope you're not serious with that comment, Eric.  It shows an incredible lack of knowledge regarding the Flynn case details.  I doubt you are hiding under a rock but you may as well be with your "miscarriage of justice and a political stunt" portrayal.  It beggars belief that you could be so out of touch.  To wit:

 

Brandon Van Grack was an Obama donor and one of the 13 Angry Democrat lawyers on Mueller’s team that handled the Flynn investigation, set-up and guilty plea. He was overseeing Flynn’s case in court until he resigned himself from the case.

 

While on the Mueller team:

• Van Grack confirmed that the Special Counsel’s Office had “failed to use an ‘ethical wall’ or ‘taint team’ and instead simply reviewed the privileged communications contained in the [Transition Team] materials.
• Deceptive edits of Trump lawyer John Dowd’s voicemail, produced to Van Grack, made its way to the Mueller Report. They omitted the section where Dowd asked Flynn’s lawyers not to disclose “confidential information.”

• Van Grack used a corrupt reading of FARA laws (since rejected by 2 courts) to target Mike Flynn Jr.  Not to prosecute Flynn Jr., but to force General Flynn to plea.  Flynn Jr. became an official target on 10/20/17. Flynn signed the plea deal on 11/30/17.

• Van Grack’s FARA case (prosecuted by EDVA) against Flynn Intel Group member Rafiekian was a disaster from the start.  It was Soon before trial and the DOJ couldn't figure out how to instruct the jury on the FARA violation.

• Despite DOJ assertion that Flynn Intel Group member Rafiekian was acting as a foreign agent for Turkey . . . Van Grack/EDVA never investigated whether the agreement was funded by the Turkish government.

• The false charges claimed by Van Grack – that "Flynn had agreed to plead to a knowing and intentional false FARA filing" – was actually deleted from a draft of the Flynn Agreement.

• Van Grack's Section 951 theory was rejected by the Judge in the Rafiekian case.  "Such a reading is unwarranted . . . based on the plain language of Section 951."

 

While overseeing Flynn's case in court:

• They confused the FBI Agents' notes (Strzok/Pientka)
• Making a gentleman’s agreement with Flynn’s former attorney, Robert Kelner, of Covington, to not include the non-prosecution of Flynn’s son formally in the written Flynn plea deal. It was an “off-the-record” agreement that was to be kept secret.  It is a straight up and clear violation of the exculpatory evidence disclosure rule of United States v. Giglio.
• Suppression of Brady material which would have exonerated Flynn.
• Deliberately lying to the court in which he denied that any Brady material existed.  Documented.
• Misleading Judge Emmitt Sullivan.

These are just some of Van Grack's crimes.  Rather than Flynn being the criminal it was the prosecutors who were criminal.  Where is your outrage, Eric????  Reading too much MSM?  Think for yourself.  Otherwise you're being played.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, Langsuan Man said:

Easy, pronounces sentence and the US Marshals take control of the convicted felon and deliver him to the Department of Corrections to serve out his sentence.  You don't seem to understand at this point the DOJ is no longer needed

It's appalling that you would willing send an innocent man to prison while condoning the criminality of the Mueller team and the Flynn prosecutors simply because you hate Trump and all those affiliated with Trump.  What country are you from?  China?

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Broadcast networks dedicate far less coverage to Flynn case dismissal than 2017 guilty plea, study shows

https://www.foxnews.com/media/broadcast-networks-coverage-flynn-case-dismissal

 

Normally urgent retractions of this nature in the media are given prominent placing. It is only fair that they make amends for pushing wholly inaccurate stories. Yet this time nothing. Still, this gives more and more credibility to Trumps repeated claims that they are "fake news". Only have themselves to blame.

I believe the MSM are in on the take down of Trump.  Poor journalism is an excuse that can be carried only so far.  When it becomes a pattern few explanations are left to account for their behaviour.  Therefore they will not cover these events accurately or ever retract or apologize.  I expect the MSM to pay a heavy price when all is said and done.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

That’s where the suspicion of Barr acting on his own on the behest of Trump. The prosecutors of Flynn need to agree and signed on the filing motion and yet none did. One career prosecutor even resigned. Barr is doing Trump’s pardon using his AG position. 

See my replies to your other posts.  Once you understand the true facts and the unambiguous conclusion of the Flynn case then any continued commentary of the above nature I would consider to be a purposeful attempt to mislead for you no longer have any facts whatsoever to support your positions.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, geriatrickid said:

Flynn sold out his country. There is a reason why almost every senior officer avoided him. 

The traitors in the Obama White House had it in for Flynn when he was the Director of National Intelligence.  He knows where the bodies are buried.  Do your own research if you're interested in truth.  Else if you are willingly so blinded by hatred for Trump then do carry on and expose yourself.

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, Sujo said:

Trump supporters are funny, they love flynn. Remind me why trump fired him, oh thats right, for lying to pence about the very thing he pleaded guilty to. 

 

Of course its only treason to investigate him.

Trump supporters love truth and justice.  As long as Trump is faithful to those principles I will support him.

[stevenl]

10 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Trump supporters love truth and justice.  As long as Trump is faithful to those principles I will support him.

18,000 plus lies and with a straight face you claim trump supporters love truth. They don't care about truth or lies as long as they like it would be much more accurate.

[xylophone]

32 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Trump supporters love truth and justice.  As long as Trump is faithful to those principles I will support him.

Now that post HAS to be framed, as the doozy of the century!!!!!!!

 

You just cannot make this stuff up!!

 

And because that post is so much of a lie, I think tests are needed!!

Edited May 9, 2020 by xylophone

[Tippaporn]

18 minutes ago, stevenl said:

18,000 plus lies and with a straight face you claim trump supporters love truth. They don't care about truth or lies as long as they like it would be much more accurate.

Who's promoting lies about Flynn on this thread and who's promoting the truth?  I won't name names but they're all found in this thread.

[Eric Loh]

53 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

These are just some of Van Grack's crimes.  Rather than Flynn being the criminal it was the prosecutors who were criminal.  Where is your outrage, Eric????  Reading too much MSM?  Think for yourself.  Otherwise you're being played.

Cut and paste from Fox News is not exactly my criteria for determining the truth.  I will respect your opinion based on your own source but it meant nothing to me. My opinion is Flynn has already plead guilty of lying and Van Grack had explained that errors and misconduct described in the OIG report ..... do not amount to egregious government misconduct necessitating the dismissal of the charge against Flynn for making material false statements to the FBI.

 

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Who's promoting lies about Flynn on this thread and who's promoting the truth?  I won't name names but they're all found in this thread.

Please revert back to your post I replied to "Trump supporters love truth ..."

Edited May 9, 2020 by stevenl

[Tippaporn]

14 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Now that post HAS to be framed, as the doozy of the century!!!!!!!

 

You just cannot make this stuff up!!

 

And because that post is so much of a lie, I think tests are needed!!

LOL.  I think you've just insulted quite a few posters with that buffoonish commentary.  You just called each and every one of them a liar if they say they believe in truth and justice, which they do.

[xylophone]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

LOL.  I think you've just insulted quite a few posters with that buffoonish commentary.  You just called each and every one of them a liar if they say they believe in truth and justice, which they do.

LOL.....me the buffoon!! Did you understand what you posted??

 

"Trump supporters love truth and justice.  As long as Trump is faithful to those principles I will support him".

 

So trump is faithful to "truth and justice" irrespective of the already more than 18,000 lies he has clocked up, not to mention stealing money from charities.......and more.

 

Unbelievable.

 

 

[Tippaporn]

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Cut and paste from Fox News is not exactly my criteria for determining the truth.  I will respect your opinion based on your own source but it meant nothing to me. My opinion is Flynn has already plead guilty of lying and Van Grack had explained that errors and misconduct described in the OIG report ..... do not amount to egregious government misconduct necessitating the dismissal of the charge against Flynn for making material false statements to the FBI.

 

Another baseless accusation made by a lib.  Is that all you people know how to do?  I did not cut and paste my post from Fox News but go ahead a claim I did anyway.  Honesty has no value for you?  Multiple, multiple sources have reported the identical information.  It is too be found everywhere (if one looks for it).

 

The facts I posted about Van Grack are not opinions but facts.  Amazingly you conflate facts with opinion.  Can you distinguish the difference?  Let's put it to the test.

 

The Giglio violation is enough in and of itself to declare a mistrial.  Not opinion.  Fact.  Does that sit well with you?  Do you approve of the Giglio violation?  Have you included it into your picture?

 

Whatever explanations Van Grack gave for errors and misconduct described in the OIG report (released December 2019 of last year) obviously do not include any of the errors or misconduct recently brought to light.  Those have not been explained by Van Grack to date.  Fact, not opinion.  What do you do with that fact, Eric?  Ignore it?  Pretend it away?

 

It has been proven conclusively that whatever Flynn's lie was (the government has refused to release the audio or written transcripts of the call to Kislyak to his attorneys for independent verification) it was not material.  Your words, and I quote, "making material false statements."  What you wrote is blatantly false.  No opinion here, Eric, just facts.  Will you accept it?  If not then what information do you possess which supports that it was material?  Don't quote prosecution's prior claims that it was material because it's been proven to be a lie.

 

The Brady violation is r-e-a-l.  That, too, is not opinion.  Van Grack withheld exculpatory information for over a year while representing the exact opposite to the court.  His words are documented so that, too, is fact and not opinion.  Where does this fact fit into your picture?  Are you O.K. with withholding exculpatory information?

 

In sum, you are entirely ignoring recent facts, refusing to include them into the new picture, and pretending they don't exist.  I've made you aware of these facts multiple times and you simply refuse to acknowledge their existence.  Blow me away.

 

 

[Tippaporn]

36 minutes ago, xylophone said:

LOL.....me the buffoon!! Did you understand what you posted??

 

"Trump supporters love truth and justice.  As long as Trump is faithful to those principles I will support him".

 

So trump is faithful to "truth and justice" irrespective of the already more than 18,000 lies he has clocked up, not to mention stealing money from charities.......and more.

 

Unbelievable.

 

 

Just to be clear . . . I didn't call you a buffoon.  I described your commentary as buffoonish.  People are not their ideas although people do have a tendency to consider them one and the same.  Other than making that clarification I won't be bickering with you on an off-topic subject.  Believe what you will.  I don't care.

[Sujo]

44 minutes ago, xylophone said:

LOL.....me the buffoon!! Did you understand what you posted??

 

"Trump supporters love truth and justice.  As long as Trump is faithful to those principles I will support him".

 

So trump is faithful to "truth and justice" irrespective of the already more than 18,000 lies he has clocked up, not to mention stealing money from charities.......and more.

 

Unbelievable.

 

 

I have the poster on ignore due to those types of posts that defy logic. But i see the post if it is quoted, unfortunately.

 

Seems odd that trump wants a guy who he sacked for lying to his vp. He also pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi, so he is a self confessed admitted liar. Should fit in nicely in the whitehouse.

[Eric Loh]

39 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In sum, you are entirely ignoring recent facts, refusing to include them into the new picture, and pretending they don't exist.  I've made you aware of these facts multiple times and you simply refuse to acknowledge their existence.  Blow me away.

The facts that you presented are to be heard by the federal judge. It was dismissed before. Barr’s legal team claimed to have potential new and exculpatory. They remained potential until the federal judge decide. You ain’t blowing me away with those ‘facts’ as we wait for the judge to rule on the motion. Stay in your seat. 

 

[Tippaporn]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The facts that you presented are to be heard by the federal judge. It was dismissed before. Barr’s legal team claimed to have potential new and exculpatory. They remained potential until the federal judge decide. You ain’t blowing me away with those ‘facts’ as we wait for the judge to rule on the motion. Stay in your seat. 

 

It's all about using your own mind, Eric, to come to correct conclusions.  Not letting the MSM dictate the narrative and conclusions for you.  I give two sheets as to what Judge Sullivan rules.  That is if he decides to go forward despite the government dropping the case (I believe it's highly unlikely but that's my opinion).  Some people are afraid to think for themselves; to gather the facts on their own regardless of the source, strip away the opinion, bias, suggestive innuendos, predetermined conclusions, politics, etc., and make up their own damn minds.  I'm not in that crowd.

[Tippaporn]

The libs will love this puff piece and rally around Obama I'm sure.  But I found it interesting that Obama is becoming vocal about the Flynn case.  I can understand how it might effect him.  [wink, wink]

 

Yahoo News - Exclusive: Obama says in private call that 'rule of law is at risk' in Michael Flynn case

 

Former President Barack Obama, talking privately to ex-members of his administration, said Friday that the “rule of law is at risk” in the wake of what he called an unprecedented move by the Justice Department to drop charges against former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn.

In the same chat, a tape of which was obtained by Yahoo News, Obama also lashed out at the Trump administration’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic as “an absolute chaotic disaster.”

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Please revert back to your post I replied to "Trump supporters love truth ..."

Just pointing out lib hypocrisy using a comparison.  That's all.

[stevenl]

4 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Just pointing out lib hypocrisy using a comparison.  That's all.

You would have been believable if you'd retracted. Now this is just laughable.

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

I think you've just insulted quite a few posters with that buffoonish commentary.

 

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

Just to be clear . . . I didn't call you a buffoon.  I described your commentary as buffoonish.  People are not their ideas although people do have a tendency to consider them one and the same.  Other than making that clarification I won't be bickering with you on an off-topic subject.  Believe what you will.  I don't care.

Oh, that's ok then........my "buffoonish commentary" must have been written by somebody else!!

 

And I am going to put this on my desktop, so that I can have a daily laugh about the alternative reality of trumpists!!????

 

Trump supporters love truth and justice.  As long as Trump is faithful to those principles I will support him".

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

The libs will love this puff piece and rally around Obama I'm sure.  But I found it interesting that Obama is becoming vocal about the Flynn case.  I can understand how it might effect him.  [wink, wink]

 

Yahoo News - Exclusive: Obama says in private call that 'rule of law is at risk' in Michael Flynn case

 

Former President Barack Obama, talking privately to ex-members of his administration, said Friday that the “rule of law is at risk” in the wake of what he called an unprecedented move by the Justice Department to drop charges against former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn.

In the same chat, a tape of which was obtained by Yahoo News, Obama also lashed out at the Trump administration’s handling of the coronavirus pandemic as “an absolute chaotic disaster.”

 

There are plenty of sources in credible media stating the DoJ decision to drop charges against Flynn is political interference. trump has a track record of attempting to undermine the Rule of Law, Obama's observation will ring true for the majority. trump's comment calling out the FBI prosecution as 'treason done by human scum' is a very low point in US politics, 

 

https://www.thewrap.com/joe-scarborough-trump-calling-fbi-scum-is-low-point-in-u-s-politics/

 

As already mentioned by members we will have to wait and see the judges decision will be in the Flynn case. 

[candide]

9 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Broadcast networks dedicate far less coverage to Flynn case dismissal than 2017 guilty plea, study shows

 

Let me guess... Isn't there currently another hot issue that raises more concern than the Flynn case among the general public?

I cannot put my finger on it...... ????