Vigo battery must be changed every year, is it possible and/or usual ? Toyota vigo pickup battery price ?

[salsajapan]

hi,

 

Vigo battery must be changed every year, is it possible and/or usual ? Toyota vigo pickup battery price ?

 

Friend (with long hair and nice bobs ???? ) need to change battery every year on her vigo, is it usual ?

 

She drives daily 10+ kms, so her battery should have enough time to refill, right ?

 

Maybe the problem is that she only buys the new battery when emergency, car cannot starts, so she pays for anything that they deliver and install for her (around 2000 thb) ?

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Is there another way to do? , any better battery to buy ? and is it more expensive ?

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or somebody just has to accept to change the battery every year ?

 

 

THANKS YOU GUYS !!!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dan O]

Batteries typically last 3 to 5 years before needing to be replaced, under normal circumstances. Either the car isn't being driven long enough to recharge it or their maybe a problem with the alternator. I would bet on the not driving long enough if she truely is only going 10 km. She should drive it around once or twice a week for 1/2 hour or so.

[salsajapan]

3 hours ago, Dan O said:

Batteries typically last 3 to 5 years before needing to be replaced, under normal circumstances. Either the car isn't being driven long enough to recharge it or their maybe a problem with the alternator. I would bet on the not driving long enough if she truely is only going 10 km. She should drive it around once or twice a week for 1/2 hour or so.

 

10 kms at least for each trip is clearly enough. And i don't see anybody using a battery 3 to 5 years but people driving german cars that have bigger batteries.

 

Do you have any first hand experience ?

 

thank you.

[Dan O]

you asked the question and I gave you the answer based on my own experience and my knowledge as an Engineer. You even asked the exact same question about  whether the distance was enough to charge the battery. Why do you ask the question then dispute the response you get

[Mama Noodle]

6 hours ago, salsajapan said:

Friend (with long hair and nice bobs ???? ) need to change battery every year on her vigo, is it usual ?

 

LOL no, that is not usual, not at all.

 

Either someone is taking her for a run around, the alternator/charging system has a problem, or there is a residual current draw somewhere. 

[scorecard]

43 minutes ago, Mama Noodle said:

 

LOL no, that is not usual, not at all.

 

Either someone is taking her for a run around, the alternator/charging system has a problem, or there is a residual current draw somewhere. 

A few years back my Thai nephew bought a Hyundai car from his friend, car was 5 years old. Nephew has zero knowledge or experience with anything to do with vehicles. 

 

He had a flat tyre 100m away from a well known typical tyre/battery outlet on Sri Ayutha Rd, Bkk. He asked them to help, they brought his car into their workshop and without any discussion quickly changes all the tyres.

 

He asked why 'all'. Response 'you have to change all your tyres and battery every 12 months and we can see from markings on the tyres they are all overdue for changing. 

 

I've heard of the same thing at a venue in the same compound as BIG C South Pattaya.

Edited June 16, 2020 by scorecard

[Crossy]

I'm with the others, changing every 12 months is unusual. I would expect to get 2-3 years out of a standard battery in the Thai climate.

 

I change the battery in my daily driver every 2 years or so (it must start and it's an auto), the truck gets to wait until it dies (it's a manual so will bump-start if it dies on the road).

 

I also suspect that multiple short journeys is the issue, the battery is gradually running down over the year until it doesn't have the oomph to start the car.

 

Suggest your friend gets a cheap battery charger and giving it an overnight charge once or twice a month, that should keep things happier.

 

[ignis]

My Audi A6 lasted 11 years, the pickup all lasted over 3 years, the present Ford Ranger died 1 week before 4 years old..

 

Had for years a 12V Solar Panel Battery Charger, plug in to lighter unit and leave on dash......  notice they still sell them here around 200 - 260 baht.  maybe an option ?

[sezze]

Also my observation is that a battery should live 3-4 years in Thai climate . Needing to change it every year , and driving only 10km , i'd say , she needs to drive longer or put it on charger more . If you got a big electricity user ( amplifier or something like that ) on board , 2y should still do the trick unless next to driving the 10km only and using the big power user . Which leads me only to the next option , does it have like a power supply on board , inverter or amplifier or big lights and keep them on for longer times without engine running ? Another thing i've seen and i know which does hurt the battery when not driving a lot is having a plugin usb port for charging the phone . It uses very low power , but it does drain your battery ( and kill it finally ) , especially when you don't drive a lot and/or the car is standing still for multiple days .

[Dumbastheycome]

I would  get the alternator checked for  faulty  diodes. Over voltage output!

1 year is not an expected normal life so maybe  it is  being slowly cooked to death by overcharge.

Are there signs of  acid/ corrosion of  battery terminals regularly showing? After a journey  does the battery feel very hot? Have you noticed if the battery casing gets bulges in the sides as it gets older?

Jump starting a vehicle can also damage the alternator diodes . There is a safe way to do it that unfortunately most times people do not due to circumstance.

 

 

[worgeordie]

Changed every year !, are they AA batteries,on my Isuzu truck,

had one battery that lasted 8 years,and I only use it once or

twice a week for shopping,even the battery shop guy was surprised.

regards Worgeordie

 

 

[KeeTua]

11 hours ago, Dan O said:

Batteries typically last 3 to 5 years before needing to be replaced, under normal circumstances. Either the car isn't being driven long enough to recharge it or their maybe a problem with the alternator. I would bet on the not driving long enough if she truely is only going 10 km. She should drive it around once or twice a week for 1/2 hour or so.

You may be an engineer but you missed the daily 10+ kms as in at least 10km/day.

 

10 KM is enough to charge the battery if it is done daily. A good battery would discharge very little overnight, unless there is a significant drain, so a very short drive should see it fully charged.

 

Sounds like she needs to explain the problem and all the symptoms to a trusted mechanic. Dirty battery terminals themselves can cause all sorts of mischief and often overlooked. Easy for a mechanic to check if there is something draining the battery when the engine isn't running. He can also drain the battery voltage down some at the shop, confirm with a voltage meter, then drive it a short distance to see if it reaches full charge again on return to the shop.

 

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, KeeTua said:

Sounds like she needs to explain the problem and all the symptoms to a trusted mechanic.

She has a trusted engineer already who changes her battery every year.

[tweedledee2]

   The actual voltage output test results of a new 12 volt automotive battery will be nearer 12.5-13 volts at full charge. The voltage output of a fully functional alternator is normally near 13.5-14.5 volts after starting and gradually decreases as the battery recharges, but the output voltage is always more than the battery voltage level even after the battery is at its recharged peak. Variables that can have an effect on battery recharging time are the number of accessories that are being used such as headlights, ventilation fan speed, etc.

     Driving no-stop 10 km generally should provide sufficient recharging time if both the battery and charging system are functioning properly. But maybe during this 10 km drive this long hair, nice boobs friend stops at 7-11 for coffee or at a road side vendor stand and turns the ignition off and restarts each time. 

     My car mechanic father owned a repair shop where I grew up working after school, on Saturdays, when school closed for break and my early adult years. There was a widowed retired school teacher who bought a new 1963 Ford Galaxy shortly after her husband had died. She became our customer after she had numerous issues of the new car not starting and the Ford dealer being unable to resolve the issue. When she approached my father and explained the starting issues she was having, he knew what was the most likely cause. Living in a small town of 700 inhabitants, my father knew most of the elderly residents daily routines. Every day this woman would drive 4 blocks to the Post Office and back home. Some days she would leave the PO and go to the bank or grocery 2 blocks away. At each stop she would shut-off and restart. Generally once a week, she drove 14 miles to visit her sister. If she didn't make the weekly trip, the battery would eventually fail. After changing her driving habits she had no further problems.  

    The longevity of a vehicle battery varies. My current 2015 model car still has the original battery and I don't recall ever buying a new vehicle that the battery required replacement during the first 5 years. The batteries quality, vehicles charging system, proper maintenance and driving style have the most effect on battery life.           

    Being told that a battery needs to be replaced just because it's 12 months old is just a sales gimmick. 

[JAS21]

Buy her a CTEK 5.0 battery charger and show her how to use it. 

[JAS21]

3 hours ago, tweedledee2 said:

   The actual voltage output test results of a new 12 volt automotive battery will be nearer 12.5-13 volts at full charge. The voltage output of a fully functional alternator is normally near 13.5-14.5 volts after starting and gradually decreases as the battery recharges, but the output voltage is always more than the battery voltage level even after the battery is at its recharged peak. Variables that can have an effect on battery recharging time are the number of accessories that are being used such as headlights, ventilation fan speed, etc.

     Driving no-stop 10 km generally should provide sufficient recharging time if both the battery and charging system are functioning properly. But maybe during this 10 km drive this long hair, nice boobs friend stops at 7-11 for coffee or at a road side vendor stand and turns the ignition off and restarts each time. 

     My car mechanic father owned a repair shop where I grew up working after school, on Saturdays, when school closed for break and my early adult years. There was a widowed retired school teacher who bought a new 1963 Ford Galaxy shortly after her husband had died. She became our customer after she had numerous issues of the new car not starting and the Ford dealer being unable to resolve the issue. When she approached my father and explained the starting issues she was having, he knew what was the most likely cause. Living in a small town of 700 inhabitants, my father knew most of the elderly residents daily routines. Every day this woman would drive 4 blocks to the Post Office and back home. Some days she would leave the PO and go to the bank or grocery 2 blocks away. At each stop she would shut-off and restart. Generally once a week, she drove 14 miles to visit her sister. If she didn't make the weekly trip, the battery would eventually fail. After changing her driving habits she had no further problems.  

    The longevity of a vehicle battery varies. My current 2015 model car still has the original battery and I don't recall ever buying a new vehicle that the battery required replacement during the first 5 years. The batteries quality, vehicles charging system, proper maintenance and driving style have the most effect on battery life.           

    Being told that a battery needs to be replaced just because it's 12 months old is just a sales gimmick. 

Five years is good in Thailand, unless the battery is in the boot in which case it should last at least that. Well that was my experience with a 520d that we had a few years ago. Our Everest battery was changed at just less than four years...it would have gone longer but if it were to fail when out in the wilds, or when MrsJ was driving maybe in another province ... bad luck. 

[sungod]

3 years is normal for me, some posters are telling her to buy a charger. I would just tell her to spend a few extra baht and go for a good battery . She is probably buying the cheapest one available.

Edited June 17, 2020 by sungod

[tifino]

12 minutes ago, JAS21 said:

Buy her a CTEK 5.0 battery charger and show her how to use it. 

and having one of these handy, can avert dealer discussions away from unnecessary changeover tactics 

dial in your batterys CCA etc specs, and get quick easy assessment of the car Battery/Charging system conditions. 

I am in a regular short trip every two weeks cycle. Each return leg of only 35 mins each way. Trouble is that within those two legs, there are multiple Stop/Restarts done (home/stopover for a coffee/work & coming back: Work/stopover for fuel top up/another coffee/Home 

 

Without doing sporadic battery charger (7 steps charger) every so often... the battery eventually weakens.

I even swapped up from a 330CCA to a 430 CCA battery; but on average, this did not actually improve things long term. A regular home charging is still needed.

 

One in between thing I now do in between Charging, is to actually put the elder 330CCA Battery on the home charger, ticking over trickle 24/7 - and do a bi-daily hook up of that battery, to the car via the jumper cables. I figure that the good high amp boost every 2nd day, makes the onboard 430CCA battery feel a bit better ????   

 

so, aside from the one return drive a fortnight, I reckon the underhood temperatures are actually more of a battery killer in my case. 

 

I have also become more accepting that short half hour drives are not really enough time, to recover the AmpHrs lost from the Engine Starts.

 

Also, that relatively modern car electrics, are set up for Maintenance Free (aka throwaway)  batteries,  - meaning that Charge Rates are no where as high as those of elder car electrics, that expected LowMaint batteries that were able to be topped up.

 

 

 

[salsajapan]

16 hours ago, Dan O said:

you asked the question and I gave you the answer based on my own experience and my knowledge as an Engineer. You even asked the exact same question about  whether the distance was enough to charge the battery. Why do you ask the question then dispute the response you get

i never said that i didn't like the reply, i just tell you that everywhere online it is said that a battery for cheap Jap cars will never last 3 to 5 years.

Thank you anyway.

 

[JAS21]

Using an intelligent charger together with reducing the time that the battery spends at elevated temperature will increase its life.

[salsajapan]

1 hour ago, JAS21 said:

Buy her a CTEK 5.0 battery charger and show her how to use it. 

 

Thank you, but pretty boobs would never do that, so i will end up having to do it !!! But sometimes it's incredible what we can do for a nice pair !!!

By the way, why is CTEK better than another charger ?

 

 

[salsajapan]

1 hour ago, sungod said:

3 years is normal for me, some posters are telling her to buy a charger. I would just tell her to spend a few extra baht and go for a good battery . She is probably buying the cheapest one available.

 

when you are stuck somewhere and your cannot cannot start, what would you do ?

and what is a better battery ? most of the time shops do not give a choice

 

[salsajapan]

1 hour ago, tifino said:

and having one of these handy, can avert dealer discussions away from unnecessary changeover tactics 

dial in your batterys CCA etc specs, and get quick easy assessment of the car Battery/Charging system conditions. 

I am in a regular short trip every two weeks cycle. Each return leg of only 35 mins each way. Trouble is that within those two legs, there are multiple Stop/Restarts done (home/stopover for a coffee/work & coming back: Work/stopover for fuel top up/another coffee/Home 

 

Without doing sporadic battery charger (7 steps charger) every so often... the battery eventually weakens.

I even swapped up from a 330CCA to a 430 CCA battery; but on average, this did not actually improve things long term. A regular home charging is still needed.

 

One in between thing I now do in between Charging, is to actually put the elder 330CCA Battery on the home charger, ticking over trickle 24/7 - and do a bi-daily hook up of that battery, to the car via the jumper cables. I figure that the good high amp boost every 2nd day, makes the onboard 430CCA battery feel a bit better ????   

 

so, aside from the one return drive a fortnight, I reckon the underhood temperatures are actually more of a battery killer in my case. 

 

I have also become more accepting that short half hour drives are not really enough time, to recover the AmpHrs lost from the Engine Starts.

 

Also, that relatively modern car electrics, are set up for Maintenance Free (aka throwaway)  batteries,  - meaning that Charge Rates are no where as high as those of elder car electrics, that expected LowMaint batteries that were able to be topped up.

 

 

 

 

thank you, where to buy this in thailand please ?

 

 

 

 

[Dumbastheycome]

4 hours ago, tweedledee2 said:

   The actual voltage output test results of a new 12 volt automotive battery will be nearer 12.5-13 volts at full charge. The voltage output of a fully functional alternator is normally near 13.5-14.5 volts after starting and gradually decreases as the battery recharges, but the output voltage is always more than the battery voltage level even after the battery is at its recharged peak. Variables that can have an effect on battery recharging time are the number of accessories that are being used such as headlights, ventilation fan speed, etc.

     Driving no-stop 10 km generally should provide sufficient recharging time if both the battery and charging system are functioning properly. But maybe during this 10 km drive this long hair, nice boobs friend stops at 7-11 for coffee or at a road side vendor stand and turns the ignition off and restarts each time. 

     My car mechanic father owned a repair shop where I grew up working after school, on Saturdays, when school closed for break and my early adult years. There was a widowed retired school teacher who bought a new 1963 Ford Galaxy shortly after her husband had died. She became our customer after she had numerous issues of the new car not starting and the Ford dealer being unable to resolve the issue. When she approached my father and explained the starting issues she was having, he knew what was the most likely cause. Living in a small town of 700 inhabitants, my father knew most of the elderly residents daily routines. Every day this woman would drive 4 blocks to the Post Office and back home. Some days she would leave the PO and go to the bank or grocery 2 blocks away. At each stop she would shut-off and restart. Generally once a week, she drove 14 miles to visit her sister. If she didn't make the weekly trip, the battery would eventually fail. After changing her driving habits she had no further problems.  

    The longevity of a vehicle battery varies. My current 2015 model car still has the original battery and I don't recall ever buying a new vehicle that the battery required replacement during the first 5 years. The batteries quality, vehicles charging system, proper maintenance and driving style have the most effect on battery life.           

    Being told that a battery needs to be replaced just because it's 12 months old is just a sales gimmick. 

I would agree with the gimmick cause  fr an annual new  battery.

But a  63  Galaxy I expect would have had a generator and  not an alternator. Huge difference in  charge  replacement time for  nominal start draw.

Problems  can occur with  modern systems  because of the  electronics incorporated when it  comes to problems.

Doubters need to  consider the realities  of that. Voltage spikes  in many instances including  vehicles can  cause damage.

The common method  to jump start a vehicle is  to  whack a set of  jumper leads  direct from  battery to  battery of the generous rescue vehicle. A dead  flat battery hooked up that way is a potential for a voltage  spike especially of the  supply  vehicle is already running. Further is that the vehicle being jumped started is  often immediately also started so  happy people  can quickly depart. Problem is that now  two  supplies across  two circuits are for the moment  hammering  current into the total system.

The best and safest way is  to isolate the  dead battery before connecting the supply and let it  charge up at least a few  minutes at supply idle  revs/min. Then connect the battery again and start the engine at idle  revs/min also.  Once the  supply is  removed  then let  the  revived vehicle sit at idle  for  as long as possible  and  switch on  high demand units  such as the headlights. This drops  the push of  current into a woodened battery and helps to  prevent damage. Quite the opposite of the  common high revving  to "make it charge faster".

The  generic lead acid  battery designed to start a modern vehicle is still designed only for that purpose and for the engine start depletion in capacity to  be replaced  in  minutes if  not seconds. It is  not designed  to ever be completely drained and that the vehicles other electrical requirements will be served by the alternator. Not at all like a nicad or other recharge battery as in a  mobile  phone. In effect almost the opposite !

Something  unknown or ignored  by those  with  high output high draw  ear bashing sound systems parked  up for  hours somewhere with the engine and  brain turned  off.

By contrast to that there are lead acid  batteries designed to cope with  near total discharge/recharge such as are fitted to electric wheelchairs to provide a constant draw much lower that an engine  starter motor which is near to a total short current.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[tweedledee2]

   Dumbastheycome: The 63 Ford did in fact have a generator. An alternator was optional on some Ford models with certain engine combinations in 1963. Chrysler was the the first US automaker to equip alternators as standard equipment in 1961. 

    But I wasn't comparing the retired widows 1963 Ford to the long hair nice boobs friend's Vigo, just the possibility their driving habits were comparable.                                    As far as you trying to educate me on how to properly jump-start a vehicle to avoid electrical system damage it was unnecessary.      

[sungod]

13 hours ago, salsajapan said:

 

when you are stuck somewhere and your cannot cannot start, what would you do ?

and what is a better battery ? most of the time shops do not give a choice

 

Jump leads?

 

Never been to a battery shop that only sells one type of battery. I use Boliden, there are other good batteries about.

Edited June 18, 2020 by sungod

[tifino]

17 hours ago, salsajapan said:

 

thank you, where to buy this in thailand please ?

 

 

 

 

you could with start with searching online for the "BT-460". There are many equivalents. I originally got my lead on the BT-460, from Scotty Kilmer ????  - and purchased off eBay

[Bob A Kneale]

On 6/16/2020 at 11:11 PM, salsajapan said:

Vigo battery must be changed every year, is it possible and/or usual ? Toyota vigo pickup battery price ?

Maybe the problem is that she only buys the new battery when emergency, car cannot starts, so she pays for anything that they deliver and install for her (around 2000 thb) ?

Is there another way to do? , any better battery to buy ? and is it more expensive ?

or somebody just has to accept to change the battery every year ?

"Vigo battery must be changed every year..."

 

Are you sure?  If the battery is needing to be changed every 12 months perhaps she should be claiming on it's warranty.  Is there any battery that does not come with a minimum 1 year guarantee?

[Bob A Kneale]

On 6/17/2020 at 9:41 PM, salsajapan said:

everywhere online it is said that a battery for cheap Jap cars will never last 3 to 5 years.

No, that's not correct, most online advice is that under normal circumstances a car battery should last three years without difficulty.

 

Battery manufacturers, generally, make batteries for cars, they do not specifically "make batteries for cheap Jap cars", whatever they are. 

[JWRC]

My Vigo is 17 years old, just put my 4th Battery in not long ago.