Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Well that's obviously not true. 

 

Because  you can avoid it. You exit the EU. Which you did. So in due course the UK will make most of its laws. How is that possible? Because the UK never lost sovereignty and can leave the EU if it so wants.

 

It's really hard to argue you're a chained up slave when you can leave any time you want.

Ach so! You are a closet Brexiteer after all!

[paddypower]

5 hours ago, evadgib said:

HMG are (still) getting on with it ????

Joint statement from the UK Government and European Commission following a meeting of the Specialised Committee on Citizens' Rights

Yawn. Time HMG started working to stop the brain drain (yer exporting yer top talent).

The Guardy: The number of British nationals emigrating to other EU countries has risen by 30% since the Brexit referendum, to a level akin to a country experiencing “economic or political crisis”, experts have found. Analysis of data from the OECD and Eurostat shows the number leaving was 73,642 a year in 2016-18, with a 500% increase in those who then took up citizenship in an EU state. In Germany’s case 31,600 Britons have naturalised since the referendum – a 2,000% rise. The biggest jump in migration has been to Spain, followed by France.

[paddypower]

On 8/4/2020 at 4:35 PM, Lormak said:

Nobody with a brain thought Brexit would be easy. We knew the EU Mafia would play dirty and make it as unpleasant as possible. But we British are a resourceful and determined people. Once we get the EU's knee off our neck (31.12.20) we will take back control of our laws, economy and borders. Great Britain will flourish again!  We will trade with a world market TEN TIMES bigger than the failing EU!

Remainers just need to grow a spine and a pair of balls and they can join with us in this endeavour......

time to stop spiking your tea with whiskey, otherwise you will take flight to Never-Never land, where all the boys are so pretty, sooner that 31.12.20

[Nigel Garvie]

1 minute ago, paddypower said:

Yawn. Time HMG started working to stop the brain drain (yer exporting yer top talent).

The Guardy: The number of British nationals emigrating to other EU countries has risen by 30% since the Brexit referendum, to a level akin to a country experiencing “economic or political crisis”, experts have found. Analysis of data from the OECD and Eurostat shows the number leaving was 73,642 a year in 2016-18, with a 500% increase in those who then took up citizenship in an EU state. In Germany’s case 31,600 Britons have naturalised since the referendum – a 2,000% rise. The biggest jump in migration has been to Spain, followed by France.

Indeed, and it is the people with skills that we should be valuing that are leaving mainly.  Immigrant haters will be in bliss looking at the net immigration figures, but the loss of skilled workers is serious, you can't train Brits up to do these jobs overnight. Our society is diminished, but Putin's Brexiteer puppets are happy so I guess all must be well.

[paddypower]

31 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Indeed, and it is the people with skills that we should be valuing that are leaving mainly.  Immigrant haters will be in bliss looking at the net immigration figures, but the loss of skilled workers is serious, you can't train Brits up to do these jobs overnight. Our society is diminished, but Putin's Brexiteer puppets are happy so I guess all must be well.

I wish no evil on anyone's future wellbeing. It is sad to know that some families, who may have already been split over the original vote, will have to go through seeing loved ones uprooted. we've done it twice and it's no picnic.

[3NUMBAS]

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1319689/brexit-news-uk-eu-trade-deal-company-headquarters-london-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit

 

Brexit WIN: Europe finally accepting UK departure - Britain remains 'magnet for big bucks'

THE UK has scored a Brexit victory as Europe seemingly finally accepts the nation's departure from the bloc, with Britain fast becoming the "magnet for the big bucks" as global companies locate their headquarters to London over mainland Europe

 

Last month, the manufacturer of brands such as Unox, Marmite and Dove decided on London for its headquarters over Rotterdam - despite the frantic efforts of Prime Minister Mark Rutte.

The decision was also praised by Business Secretary Alok Sharma, who praised the move from Unilever as a "clear vote of confidence in the UK".

Despite several other global businesses expressing a desire to move their headquarter out of London after Brexit, "there is no sprint towards the exit", as several others continue to state their intentions to settle in London, and will not move to Europe unless there is a "hard Brexit".

 

The Dutch editorial says: "The United Kingdom was on track to outflank the eurozone over the next two years.

[3NUMBAS]

Brexit, Frexit, Grexit, Italexit - the whole EU house of cards is about to collapse

IF you're quick you can still get 3/1 on Italy being the next nation to quit the EU. And with unemployment at 10 percent, rows over migration, crushing levels of debt, massive north/south economic disparity and a government with a deeply tenuous grip on power the Italians do look a safe bet.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1319465/Brexit-news-EU-latest-Nigel-Farage-Paul-Baldwin-Charles-Henri-Gallois

[david555]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/06/migrant-crossings-investigated-mps-100-cross-channel/

 

Well at least  the Royal navy now go to help those poor refugees by the crossing all shall be safer for them , once aboard navy ship they are on U.K. ground...so can claim refugee status 

And it is enough by any attempt of R.Navy to divert them , the dingy start making a sudden water (????? ! )....that they are forced by international law to rescue them ...and take aboard ...andcan instantly claim refugee status

 

This is what E.U. expierianced in the Mediteranian sea.....Some Brexiteers laughed us  for that ... well now it is  the U.K. turn to find out this " funny happening "  ???? ???? 

 

[7by7]

22 hours ago, nauseus said:

<snip>

I meant what I said as per the direct quote which you have finally included. A paraphrase can be an alternate wording of the same quote but the intended meaning of the original quote should remain as was. By inserting the word important, you have altered the meaning to promote your own point.

 I included the direct quote immediately after you challenged me!

 

I had actually quoted it before when I asked you to name just one piece of legislation covered by your 80%; something you have still not done!

 

It is, though, perfectly possible that your 80% figure is correct, because many areas which previously only required a simple majority are now covered by QMV; a process which, as already said, is nothing new as it's been used in EEC/EU decision making since 1957!

 

As for my use of 'important,' as I have already explained I assumed that as we were discussing the important areas covered by the veto at the time that you meant those important areas. Are you now saying that my assumption was wrong and you actually meant inconsequential matters of no importance?

 

Because that is the only possible conclusion to your accusation that I altered the meaning of your post to promote my own point!

 

It is perfectly possible that your 80% figure is correct, because many areas which previously only required a simple majority are now covered by QMV; a process which, as already said, began in 1957. It's nothing new.

[7by7]

22 hours ago, nauseus said:

Now, this 80% does include some critical and important laws, as far as I am concerned. But I'm sure that my definition of 'important' is rather more rigid than yours, in this case. 

 Difficult to say, as you yet again refuse to give any examples!

[Logosone]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

Ach so! You are a closet Brexiteer after all!

Actually I was afraid that the UK was about to embark on a golden, glittering, future, making its own rules, trade deals left and right and becoming way more prosperous than Germany.

 

I see now there was nothing to worry about.

[nauseus]

50 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 I included the direct quote immediately after you challenged me!

 

I had actually quoted it before when I asked you to name just one piece of legislation covered by your 80%; something you have still not done!

 

It is, though, perfectly possible that your 80% figure is correct, because many areas which previously only required a simple majority are now covered by QMV; a process which, as already said, is nothing new as it's been used in EEC/EU decision making since 1957!

 

As for my use of 'important,' as I have already explained I assumed that as we were discussing the important areas covered by the veto at the time that you meant those important areas. Are you now saying that my assumption was wrong and you actually meant inconsequential matters of no importance?

 

Because that is the only possible conclusion to your accusation that I altered the meaning of your post to promote my own point!

 

It is perfectly possible that your 80% figure is correct, because many areas which previously only required a simple majority are now covered by QMV; a process which, as already said, began in 1957. It's nothing new.

You are getting repetitive too, now. You should enjoy the weekend instead of being a non-stop wally.

[nauseus]

44 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Actually I was afraid that the UK was about to embark on a golden, glittering, future, making its own rules, trade deals left and right and becoming way more prosperous than Germany.

 

I see now there was nothing to worry about.

A fair-weather Brexiteer then!

[nauseus]

51 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 Difficult to say, as you yet again refuse to give any examples!

How about VAT rate setting?

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/08/06/migrant-crossings-investigated-mps-100-cross-channel/

 

Well at least  the Royal navy now go to help those poor refugees by the crossing all shall be safer for them , once aboard navy ship they are on U.K. ground...so can claim refugee status 

And it is enough by any attempt of R.Navy to divert them , the dingy start making a sudden water (????? ! )....that they are forced by international law to rescue them ...and take aboard ...andcan instantly claim refugee status

 

This is what E.U. expierianced in the Mediteranian sea.....Some Brexiteers laughed us  for that ... well now it is  the U.K. turn to find out this " funny happening "  ???????? 

 

and it,ll be the british people laughing on the other side of their boats when the depression starts kicking in,a migrant is for life not just for Christmas,unfortunately the british are so apathetic they never acknowledge situations untill it impacts them personally,but by then its too late.

[Rookiescot]

30 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You are getting repetitive too, now. You should enjoy the weekend instead of being a non-stop wally.

Relax mate. You won.

Now we just need to sort out what it is you actually won. 

[izod10]

Now France has picked up the mantle to resurrect Lebanon and already burdened down by gifts to southern EU members,think the straw is about to break the camels....

   fishing is the main concern now of EU,they will bend over backwards to placate the UK.UK does not need outdated legislation,just bin it,and they will,just a win-win for UK

  Paddy back to bog cutting

[7by7]

42 minutes ago, nauseus said:

You are getting repetitive too, now. You should enjoy the weekend instead of being a non-stop wally.

 As usual, when you've lost the argument you resort to petty, childish insults.

 

 

[Lormak]

2 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Now France has picked up the mantle to resurrect Lebanon and already burdened down by gifts to southern EU members,think the straw is about to break the camels....

   fishing is the main concern now of EU,they will bend over backwards to placate the UK.UK does not need outdated legislation,just bin it,and they will,just a win-win for UK

  Paddy back to bog cutting

Hear, hear!

The EU is rotting from the head down. The stench of decay in every European country apart from the UK. The big con is in its last days. Thank God we are out!

[7by7]

48 minutes ago, nauseus said:

How about VAT rate setting?

How about them.

 

Individual members set their own rates, although they do have to fall into ranges agreed by members and published in the latest directive. I can find nothing to say whether those agreements and amendments to the directives are by simple majority, QMV or unanimity.

 

However; a quote from page 3 of the January 2019 VAT: European law on VAT rates briefing paper from the HoC library regarding the 2016 proposed VAT action plan from the Commission

Quote

In answer to a PQ at the time Treasury Minister Mel Stride welcomed the proposal, but made no commitment for any specific changes to the schedule of UK VAT rates, stating, "it is right that Member States have flexibility in applying VAT on different products” while adding, “the proposal will need to be discussed and unanimously agreed by the Member States.“

 So when did VAT move from unanimity to QMV?

 

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, Logosone said:

Actually I was afraid that the UK was about to embark on a golden, glittering, future, making its own rules, trade deals left and right and becoming way more prosperous than Germany.

 

I see now there was nothing to worry about.

he who laughs last laughs the longest.

[izod10]

Brexit was originally all about immigration,nicely done. Now 1000s attempting to cross the channel looking for freebies,good to see the scum coming under ever increasing scrutiny,just get shut of them

 

  Weather warning ,calm seas for few days,when hurricane force 11 just hours away,now that sure would be good to follow

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, izod10 said:

Brexit was originally all about immigration,nicely done. Now 1000s attempting to cross the channel looking for freebies,good to see the scum coming under ever increasing scrutiny,just get shut of them

 

  Weather warning ,calm seas for few days,when hurricane force 11 just hours away,now that sure would be good to follow

its a. pity these thousands of economic migrants don,t listen to tvf s remainers,we,re all doomed,yet still they come in their droves like rats abandoning a sinking ship.

[Andrew65]

On 7/22/2020 at 12:19 AM, Andrew65 said:

I doubt that UK Border Force people will still be based in France, border will effectively then be mid-Channel.

The Channel is of course the border of the Schengen Zone, we never signed up, but we're still feeling the effects.

My nephew occasionally does a few days "security" work for Border Force. He was escorting some Albanians back to France a few weeks ago.

[ukrules]

On 7/22/2020 at 6:19 AM, Andrew65 said:

I doubt that UK Border Force people will still be based in France, border will effectively then be mid-Channel.

Something to do with the 'continental shelf' which is between the UK and France.

[Andrew65]

5 hours ago, ukrules said:

Something to do with the 'continental shelf' which is between the UK and France.

BF people were/are based on the French side because of an agreement. The border between Britain & France is the border of the Schengen Area, much more relevant than where the continental shelf is, in this regard.

 There's a similar thing going on about the where Irish border should be, on land or in the Irish Sea.

[Andrew65]

8 hours ago, izod10 said:

Brexit was originally all about immigration,nicely done. Now 1000s attempting to cross the channel looking for freebies,good to see the scum coming under ever increasing scrutiny,just get shut of them

 

  Weather warning ,calm seas for few days,when hurricane force 11 just hours away,now that sure would be good to follow

All the major parties in Britain are/were staunchly pro-immigration, Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, SNP. So is the EU itself.

 

Effectively, mass immigration, like it or lump it, you're gonna get it, no democratic choice about it, in effect.

[izod10]

3 minutes ago, Andrew65 said:

All the major parties in Britain are/were staunchly pro-immigration, Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, SNP. So is the EU itself.

 

Effectively, mass immigration, like it or lump it, you're gonna get it, no democratic choice about it, in effect.

But there is.Facebook for one shows many many dissenting views,fact is its a powder house building,id say to riots. More and more posters forming their own groups  Blackburn Alternative News  B.A.N for instance,not that I'm from there,shows remarkable intolerance

  Four (do not know what to call them) without being racist,killed in car chase,more sympathy for the tree that they hit ,than the occupants,which was hilarious

  Read ,the long read in the Telegraph today ,(yeah its early )see the degree of bitterness that appears,something has to be done even Patel suggests throwing nets over the propellers of small boats,bringing the scum over from France,immobilise them,tow them right back to France

[Scott]

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[kingdong]

2 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

All the major parties in Britain are/were staunchly pro-immigration, Tory, Labour, Lib Dem, SNP. So is the EU itself.

 

Effectively, mass immigration, like it or lump it, you're gonna get it, no democratic choice about it, in effect.

while british indigenous citizens suffer in the forthcoming depression?look for a swing to the extreme right,the reason the uk left the eu was because of this,anyway enforced "mass immigration" will not be a problem once we, re finally out the eu.