Britain nears abandoning Brexit trade deal hope - The Telegraph

[david555]

8 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Yes. My parents fought against that common purpose once.

Yes sometimes it has excesses , but points out the almost blind dicipline ....hence my remark ...dont count on Merkel ...she wont give in ...

Edited August 22, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

(Another Tory Catfight in the making ?…..And no Cameron around now...to solve it with ….a referendum ? )????

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/21/row-breaks-tory-party-whether-tax-rises-needed-plug-hole-public/

Tory row over tax rises to plug £2trillion debt 
Treasury is concerned about the  level of UK debt but the PM’s chief adviser Dominic Cummings favours spending cuts rather than tax rises 

 

By Charles Hymas, 
Home Affairs Editor and Camilla Tominey, 
Associate Editor  21 August 2020 • 9:30pm 

 

A Tory row has broken out over whether tax rises are needed to plug the huge gaps in the public finances as UK debt rose above £2 trillion for the first time.

Boris Johnson is resisting tax rises to restore public finances as it is claimed the Treasury is piling pressure on Chancellor Rishi Sunak to claw back some of the billions spent propping up the economy and funding manifesto pledges as he prepares for the Autumn statement.
Some Tories believe that spending cuts alone will not be sufficient to plug the hole and that tax rises will be needed in the medium term, while others disagree  and are pushing instead for tax cuts to help revive the economy.

As figures on Friday showed the UK heading for a £350 billion deficit from the pandemic rescue package, Mr Sunak warned that the Government faced “difficult decisions”.

Nothing at all to do with the topic.

[Andrew65]

36 minutes ago, kingdong said:

boris took the tory government from a hung parliament to an overwhelming majority .talking about neville chamberlain his return from germany clutching his "peace in our time " document reminds me when cameron went to the eu iǹ the spring with his cap in his hand and they laughed in his face,both got the gooner after,talk about history repeating itself.

When Chamberlain left office he was dying of cancer.
 

When Farage went back to Brussels his words were: 

"17 years ago when I told you that I'd take Britain out of the EU you all laughed at me, well, I must say, you're not laughing now are you".

[david555]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Nothing at all to do with the topic.

Than just give it a blind eye ...or wipe it under the carpet ????

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Than just give it a blind eye ...or wipe it under the carpet ????

Or a nasal swab?

[david555]

"I wish Maggie was still around.."

 

 

Yeah but should better cloned her instead of that sheep ...(forgot name ..)  oh yes Dolly i think was the name

 

 

[RayC]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

Well there you have it - the main reasons for leave votes were not economic - but that's all remainers have to talk about.

And the two of us have been through through this illusion of greater sovereignty previously, which leaves us with immigration.

 

I also wonder about the casual disregard for the likely economic effects. I - and quite probably you - am in the fortunate position where - barring a complete collapse of Europe's/ the UK economies I'll be quite comfortable. Others will be less fortunate but hey ho, eh...?

 

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The loss of the UK contribution is entirely relevant; the recently bartered EU budget/Covid fund created even more angst and disharmony within the sacred onion

Indeed there was (is?) "angst and disharmony", but there is agreement on the EU budget. 

 

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

The EU may be willing to walk away from another negotiation. However, I expect that pressure from German industry will prevail in the end and that means some kind of deal will be made eventually.  

Perhaps there will be some bare bones agreement governing non-contentious issues, but I doubt very much that it will be anything like a comprehensive FTA. As for German industry, seems like they are resigned to accepting this 

https://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/bdi-on-the-conclusion-of-the-brexit-round-of-talks-a-collapse-in-the-negotiations-on-a-partnership-agreement-is-now-all-but-inevitable--819049646.html

 

https://english.bdi.eu/article/news/brexit-withdrawal-is-the-right-step-on-the-wrong-path/

[RayC]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

If Boris cannot produce a white rabbit by Easter I can see him being ousted as leader by the time Parliament rises for the summer of 2021. Quite how that will work isn't yet clear as I have no idea who is up to the (post Brexit) job other than Farage or Doris Karloff.

???? And there I was thinking that things couldn't get worse. Clearly I was mistaken .... Dear God, have we not suffered enough?

[evadgib]

16 minutes ago, RayC said:

???? And there I was thinking that things couldn't get worse. Clearly I was mistaken .... Dear God, have we not suffered enough?

Thankfully Catweasel is no longer in the running ????

[RayC]

An audio file outlining the UK's Brexit negotiating position has fallen into my hands. Thought that I would share it with you.

https://youtu.be/i2KLyBapfTc

 

[evadgib]

12 minutes ago, RayC said:

An audio file outlining the UK's Brexit negotiating position has fallen into my hands. Thought that I would share it with you.

https://youtu.be/i2KLyBapfTc

 

Wrong thread

(????????????????????????????)

[luckyluke]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

they must be stopped from getting in in the first place.

Exactly. 

As I mentioned before, the E.U. is not able/doesn't want to do it. 

Next year the U.K. is in the possibility to do it by creating special immigration rules and regulations. 

It is my opinion they won't do it either. 

Will see if I am wrong. 

[melvinmelvin]

 

here is a weirdo for you;

 

 

 

this guy has solid views om most Brexit related issues, not lest so called deals

 

here goes

 

 

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, Andrew65 said:

When Chamberlain left office he was dying of cancer.
 

When Farage went back to Brussels his words were: 

"17 years ago when I told you that I'd take Britain out of the EU you all laughed at me, well, I must say, you're not laughing now are you".

not laughing now? i am,the sour grapes attitude of the remainers is always a source of mirth and merriment,heres one for you.....remainer walks into a bar,the barman says what do you want the remainer says bitter,the barman says i know you are you mug,now what do you want to drink? posted it before but thought it topical.

[transam]

13 hours ago, stevenl said:

Yes, make sure you don't get new information, it might make you well informed.

More assumptions about what I know and read every day, tut, tut. But expected. ????

I post very little rag links because they are written by a bloke with his own personal view content.

After reading a certain guys stuff, after many years, my conclusion is he is an anti-UK chap, so I treat him that way, plus links from lefty rags are out for me, always the same ol' cr_p to appease the anti-folk. ????

[transam]

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

So you are calling Vote.Leave's campaign literature "condescending and biased!"

 

Really?

 

Where have I said that you did?

You seem to have a problem understanding posts or you just like twisting stuff, I will go for the latter.

"Condescending and biased" is you, not literature.

 

"I don't have anyone on ignore", you must read between the lines for that one, some others understand..????

[stevenl]

13 minutes ago, transam said:

More assumptions about what I know and read every day, tut, tut. But expected. ????

I post very little rag links because they are written by a bloke with his own personal view content.

After reading a certain guys stuff, after many years, my conclusion is he is an anti-UK chap, so I treat him that way, plus links from lefty rags are out for me, always the same ol' cr_p to appease the anti-folk. ????

No assumption at all, just read your own final paragraph in this quote.

 

Information leads to knowledge, refusing information to lack of knowledge.

[transam]

12 hours ago, david555 said:

(Another Tory Catfight in the making ?…..And no Cameron around now...to solve it with ….a referendum ? )????

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/08/21/row-breaks-tory-party-whether-tax-rises-needed-plug-hole-public/

Tory row over tax rises to plug £2trillion debt 
Treasury is concerned about the  level of UK debt but the PM’s chief adviser Dominic Cummings favours spending cuts rather than tax rises 

 

By Charles Hymas, 
Home Affairs Editor and Camilla Tominey, 
Associate Editor  21 August 2020 • 9:30pm 

 

A Tory row has broken out over whether tax rises are needed to plug the huge gaps in the public finances as UK debt rose above £2 trillion for the first time.

Boris Johnson is resisting tax rises to restore public finances as it is claimed the Treasury is piling pressure on Chancellor Rishi Sunak to claw back some of the billions spent propping up the economy and funding manifesto pledges as he prepares for the Autumn statement.
Some Tories believe that spending cuts alone will not be sufficient to plug the hole and that tax rises will be needed in the medium term, while others disagree  and are pushing instead for tax cuts to help revive the economy.

As figures on Friday showed the UK heading for a £350 billion deficit from the pandemic rescue package, Mr Sunak warned that the Government faced “difficult decisions”.

Off topic.....????......

And stop worrying........????

[david555]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Off topic.....????......

And stop worrying........????

Dont forget ..it is coffee time in Thailand ...????

[transam]

11 hours ago, david555 said:

CONCLUSION .....brexit did not solved the refugee crisis for U.K.....for those who thought it would , and so voted !

 

...if that clear up already 1 point...next point of complains ????...

We haven't left 100% yet, wait till after the new year to post your EU worried stuff....????

[transam]

10 hours ago, david555 said:

"boris who will take us out of the eu....?????? "

 

I thought you are out already from 1 Januari 2020....? ????

 

But still hanging on E.U.' skirt ????...or what are you doing else on the negotiating table ...????

 

U.K. Man up and go  make your dream come true as the E.U. consistant from beginning told you what was possible and what not

 

...and Boris landslide victory has only effect in Westminster / U.K. ....must be frustrating i guess to see it stops at somwhere in the Channel...?  ( i dont know the correct gps position ... but i am sure the dinghy channel crossers has the needed equiptment ????)

 

but it is a reality .????

 

 

 

 

Says the worried EU guy.....????

[transam]

9 hours ago, david555 said:

Yes sometimes it has excesses , but points out the almost blind dicipline ....hence my remark ...dont count on Merkel ...she wont give in ...

Perhaps, reminds me of 1945......????

[david555]

1 minute ago, transam said:

We haven't left 100% yet, wait till after the new year to post your EU worried stuff....????

Where you get that idea.......that we are worried ......

?????????????

Was it not you remembering us for big tax rise because the U.K. money missing .....

Now Karma is coming by Sunak prediction ????

 

 

 

 

 

[david555]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Perhaps, reminds me of 1945......????

Yes they learned something ...now they "fine tuned" it ...????

[transam]

13 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No assumption at all, just read your own final paragraph in this quote.

 

Information leads to knowledge, refusing information to lack of knowledge.

Very funny, but making assumptions again, carry on, good fun.....

[david555]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

We haven't left 100% yet, wait till after the new year to post your EU worried stuff....????

Oh i cant wait ...1 Januari ....????.( more a few days later ..) to watch the ...impact ....at Kent.... please keep some place reserved for the dinghy arrivals ..as they need some open space too...????

Edited August 23, 2020 by david555

[Henryford]

On 7/31/2020 at 2:46 PM, Airbagwill said:

UK borders are not the slightest prepared for Brexit in any form....

Below is a list of WTO tarriffs.

 

 

Good we will buy from other countries rather than the EUSSR

[transam]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

Where you get that idea.......that we are worried ......

?????????????

Was it not you remembering us for big tax rise because the U.K. money missing .....

Now Karma is coming by Sunak prediction ????

 

 

 

 

 

1. I read your posts.

2. You missed out the C19 expense.

 

You're not a Brit, yet you are engrossed in running down the UK over Brexit, you are worried, but the poor EU countries will carry on partying eh....

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Henryford said:

Good we will buy from other countries rather than the EUSSR

Sure, and get those wto tariffs and old dairy. EU is your neighbour, trading with Australia will not do very much.

[david555]

Just now, transam said:

1. I read your posts.

2. You missed out the C19 expense.

 

You're not a Brit, yet you are engrossed in running down the UK over Brexit, you are worried, but the poor EU countries will carry on partying eh....

Well as that  is your idea of a party ...enjoy it ...????