Majority of Scots support independence from UK - YouGov poll

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I agree with most of what you wrote except the second to last sentence. I think he is both vicious and vindictive. He has demonstrated that repeatedly throughout his life; the lovable buffoon image is a pastiche. Eddie Mair had him spot on when he called him a nasty piece of work. 

 

Hell, you cannot champion a cause which you know will bring economic disaster to an entire nation just so you can benefit personally without being utter scum. Johnson is that and worse.

The SNP are doing just that.

[vogie]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I agree with most of what you wrote except the second to last sentence. I think he is both vicious and vindictive. He has demonstrated that repeatedly throughout his life; the lovable buffoon image is a pastiche. Eddie Mair had him spot on when he called him a nasty piece of work. 

 

Hell, you cannot champion a cause which you know will bring economic disaster to an entire nation just so you can benefit personally without being utter scum. Johnson is that and worse.

Oh come off it RR, if Boris gave you yet another referendum he would be on your Christmas card list and you would be Facebook friends forever poking each other.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

The SNP are doing just that.

A poll this morning from Opinium has the SNP on 6% - I don't think I have ever seen them poll so high UK wide. 

 

In the same poll, Sturgeon has the highest approval rating across the UK of any other party leader. 

 

Andrew Marr predicts the UK will cease to exist by 2024 and Mark Blyth comes out in favour of independence. 

 

What a great week its been! 

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Oh come off it RR, if Boris gave you yet another referendum he would be on your Christmas card list and you would be Facebook friends forever poking each other.

No, if he did that it would be down to the hard work of lots of independence campaigners. Those are the ones to be thanked. He would only be bowing to the inevitable. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

No, if he did that it would be down to the hard work of lots of independence campaigners. Those are the ones to be thanked. He would only be bowing to the inevitable. 

The only inevitably is you cannot afford to leave the UK, but nothing to stop you going through the motions I suppose.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

The only inevitably is you cannot afford to leave the UK, but nothing to stop you going through the motions I suppose.

Not remotely true, but if it was, what a damning indictment of 300 years of union it would be. 

[rott]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Not remotely true, but if it was, what a damning indictment of 300 years of union it would be. 

And if it is untrue you would still call it a damming indictment etc. 

You have obviously been to the Krankie school of propaganda. 

[evadgib]

26 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

A poll this morning from Opinium has the SNP on 6% - I don't think I have ever seen them poll so high UK wide. 

 

In the same poll, Sturgeon has the highest approval rating across the UK of any other party leader. 

 

Andrew Marr predicts the UK will cease to exist by 2024 and Mark Blyth comes out in favour of independence. 

 

What a great week its been! 

Possibly, but SNP aren't the ones in pole position as will shortly become clear...

 

Edited August 30, 2020 by evadgib

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, rott said:

And if it is untrue you would still call it a damming indictment etc. 

 

Did that make sense to you when you wrote it because I am not sure it makes any sense whatsoever. 

[transam]

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I agree with most of what you wrote except the second to last sentence. I think he is both vicious and vindictive. He has demonstrated that repeatedly throughout his life; the lovable buffoon image is a pastiche. Eddie Mair had him spot on when he called him a nasty piece of work. 

 

Hell, you cannot champion a cause which you know will bring economic disaster to an entire nation just so you can benefit personally without being utter scum. Johnson is that and worse.

Blimey, I thought that lot was about Nicola Sturgeon...????

 

 

[crobe]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

A poll this morning from Opinium has the SNP on 6% - I don't think I have ever seen them poll so high UK wide. 

 

In the same poll, Sturgeon has the highest approval rating across the UK of any other party leader. 

 

Andrew Marr predicts the UK will cease to exist by 2024 and Mark Blyth comes out in favour of independence. 

 

What a great week its been! 

I agree with Andrew Marr on this - as I have said before 2024 would be a good compromise date for a second Scottish referendum - 10 years after the previous one.

There are also 3 other statistics that point to a "triple-lock" for independence by 2024.

 - In the last UK elections in 2019 the SNP took 48 out of 59 Scottish constituencies - a massive majority under a "first-past-the-post" electoral system.

 - In the last Holyrood (Scottish Parliament) elections the SNP lost their overall majority - but this was due to the electoral system - the proportional representation of additional members - the SNP won 59 out of 73 "first-past-the-post" constituencies - again a massive majority - but the proportional representation allocated many more seats to the Labour and Conservative parties.

- Since the 2019 election the polling for Scottish independence has swung markedly in favour - now at around 50%-51% for independence, 40%-42% against and 7%-9% don't know.

 

To quote Boris Johnson's own words against him - he touted the UK election results as an "irrefutable mandate for Brexit" and the Scottish results should then be seen as an "irrefutable mandate for independence"

 

The next Scottish parliament election due in May 2021 may restore the SNP majority as the overall voting numbers for both Labour and Tories has been declining, meaning they may not receive so many proportional seats.

 

It would not be unforeseen to have a second independence referendum question at the same time as the next UK elections due on 2024 (barring unforeseen circumstances in which Westminster calls for an early election).

 

There would of course be a transition period (probably 1 year taking the Brexit formula), during which time the financial settlement between UK and Scotland would have to be hammered out - and also some other aspects such as redeployment of the nuclear fleet, as well as repatriating existing UK legislation.

During this time the Bank of Scotland would start to issue government bonds to cover the agreed proportion of UK debt and ongoing spending pending tax receipts - the idea that Scotland would immediately be in default is a non-starter and just fear-propaganda by unionists.

 

 

[Rookiescot]

5 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

I agree with most of what you wrote except the second to last sentence. I think he is both vicious and vindictive. He has demonstrated that repeatedly throughout his life; the lovable buffoon image is a pastiche. Eddie Mair had him spot on when he called him a nasty piece of work. 

 

Hell, you cannot champion a cause which you know will bring economic disaster to an entire nation just so you can benefit personally without being utter scum. Johnson is that and worse.

Johnson is a puppet. On a personal level I genuinely feel he is probably a half decent bloke. 

But the problem is he is too lazy and incompetent to actually be bothered with anything except a 20 minute take to the camera. He has been putty in the hands of those who actually run things. 

Its the reason why the 1922 committee gave him the job.   

[RayC]

22 hours ago, crobe said:

 

During this time the Bank of Scotland would start to issue government bonds to cover the agreed proportion of UK debt and ongoing spending pending tax receipts - the idea that Scotland would immediately be in default is a non-starter and just fear-propaganda by unionists.

 

 

 

Not sure if this link will work but there was an interesting article in the FT 5 days ago about the financial side of independence.https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2f298c24-36e1-48c3-b401-0ac0066c18b4

[transam]

20 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Johnson is a puppet. On a personal level I genuinely feel he is probably a half decent bloke. 

But the problem is he is too lazy and incompetent to actually be bothered with anything except a 20 minute take to the camera. He has been putty in the hands of those who actually run things. 

Its the reason why the 1922 committee gave him the job.   

So you know what BJ squeezes into his day............????.................????

[evadgib]

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[Nigel Garvie]

4 hours ago, transam said:

So you know what BJ squeezes into his day............????.................????

No, but I guess he starts the day squeezing a mass of gormless flab into a suit..................????

[Rookiescot]

4 hours ago, transam said:

So you know what BJ squeezes into his day............????.................????

Hiding in a tent in rural Scotland?

Not sure what he is squeezing there at all ????

[transam]

10 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

No, but I guess he starts the day squeezing a mass of gormless flab into a suit..................????

Ah, a blokes appearance ploy, that's the sign of a "I lost" guy.........

[transam]

10 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Hiding in a tent in rural Scotland?

Not sure what he is squeezing there at all ????

So you don't like camping, that's OK, nor do I, but some, including BJ, do......????

[vogie]

10 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

No, but I guess he starts the day squeezing a mass of gormless flab into a suit..................????

Why can't Ian Blackford get into his own suits?............????

[tebee]

Scottish independence is an inevitable consequence of no deal brexit - who will get the blame ?

 

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

Scottish independence is an inevitable consequence of no deal brexit - who will get the blame ?

 

 

King James VI.....

[cleopatra2]

37 minutes ago, tebee said:

Scottish independence is an inevitable consequence of no deal brexit - who will get the blame ?

 

 

The issue is really about the UKs internal market. 

At some point Westminster have to remove some powers granted in the devolution settlement. 

The proposed upcoming judicial review is already being examined in Scotland , as it appears to break the treaty of the union , granting Scotland it's own laws .

[nausea]

Like Brexit, you get it, you lose the power of protest, which is always nice and easy. The majority of Scots love blaming all their ills on the big brother down south. When it gets down to the nitty gritty ... . I'm guessing, like me, the majority of English people don't give a monkey's. My big concern would be an independent Scotland compromising our security, so yeah, on a geopolitical level, having a united island is pretty important, but as for the individual aspirations of the Scottish people, up to them, as they say.

[RuamRudy]

3 hours ago, nausea said:

Like Brexit, you get it, you lose the power of protest, which is always nice and easy. The majority of Scots love blaming all their ills on the big brother down south. When it gets down to the nitty gritty ... . I'm guessing, like me, the majority of English people don't give a monkey's. My big concern would be an independent Scotland compromising our security, so yeah, on a geopolitical level, having a united island is pretty important, but as for the individual aspirations of the Scottish people, up to them, as they say.

Here is the thing - when it comes to the future of Scotland, I and the majority of my countrymen rightly see your interests as being significantly below our own in terms of security or anything else. So from a geopolitical perspective, deal with it, as they say. 

 

But don't worry, you will have a clutch of nuclear subs and warheads to protect you. 

[RuamRudy]

16 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

No, but I guess he starts the day squeezing a mass of gormless flab into a suit..................????

Don't be so hard on the guy - not only has he a country to run, he still finds the time to rustle up a superinjunction and manage a second home. 

[tebee]

Now the problem is although, as you might have noticed, I don't really agree with Brexit, any argument you make for Brexit can equally be used as an argument for Scottish independence.    

[vogie]

57 minutes ago, tebee said:

Now the problem is although, as you might have noticed, I don't really agree with Brexit, any argument you make for Brexit can equally be used as an argument for Scottish independence.    

I don't agree, Brexit is a democratic decision by the UK, whereas "Scottish independence is based on a non existent historical grievance" 

[evadgib]

11 hours ago, cleopatra2 said:

The issue is really about the UKs internal market. 

At some point Westminster have to remove some powers granted in the devolution settlement. 

The proposed upcoming judicial review is already being examined in Scotland , as it appears to break the treaty of the union , granting Scotland it's own laws .

If they look hard enough they'll realise that the 3 devolved Parliaments contravene the 1688 & 1689 BoR and the act of union which Bliar thinks he got away with.

Edited September 1, 2020 by evadgib

[tebee]

3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

If they look hard enough they'll realise that the 3 devolved Parliaments contravene the 1688 BoR & 1689 act of union which Bliar thinks he got away with.

The proposed 1689 act of union was never passed !