Majority of Scots support independence from UK - YouGov poll

[RubbaJohnny]

On 8/13/2020 at 6:55 PM, RuamRudy said:

I think quite a number in the north of England would gladly see the border moved south of them. 

plenty in Wales and Cornwall who would be happy to be back in EU run from Edinburgh. I'm pretty sure 48% of English might give it a go given the option.

[Rookiescot]

56 minutes ago, vogie said:

I would hazard a guess and suggests that nobody gives a damn about any nationalist, but for the fair minded Scots that voted to remain within the UK you should fell sorry for, but of course nationalists only care about themselves, Mrs Sturgeon et al are only good at one thing and I have to admit that when it comes to partitioning the UK and getting the turkeys to vote for Christmas she stands head and shoulders above the rest.

 

 

 

So you feel sorry for fair minded remainers ?

There is only a majority for independence in Scotland now because of the turkeys who voted for Brexit.

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Upon the day of Scottish independence then those who are already pensioners will continue to get their pension from Westminster. Its the scheme they paid into so they are entitled to continue being paid by it.

New pensioners after independence will need to be paid by Hollyrood.

People who retire to Thailand still get their UK pension dont they?

So your warning is neither required nor accurate. 

In what currency will Holyrood be paying it's pensioners.

[Nout]

On 8/13/2020 at 5:40 PM, Mavideol said:

finally, now let's see if the government is listening , BJ and the remainers will not be very happy 555

Go Scotland

Yes go! Please!

[Nout]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

In what currency will Holyrood be paying it's pensioners.

Not the Euro and not the pound.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Nout said:

Not the Euro and not the pound.

Sticking with the Giro?

[Phulublub]

47 minutes ago, vogie said:

Ah I see, I need to live in Scotland now to have opinion on the United Kingdom.

 

I did not say that. 

 

PH

[RuamRudy]

51 minutes ago, vogie said:

I wouldn't rely on a Scottish pension though, don't say I didn't warn you.

You really are excelling yourself lately, Vogie. Now pensions? You defend the most rancid, most corrupt, most incompetent government any of us have had to endure and you suggest that Scottish pensions will be vulnerable? Are you unaware that your glorious Nasty Party that you love and defend so much has one of the lowest pensions in Europe? Are you unaware that Ian Duncan Smith is trying to push out pension age to 75? Because that is the reality of the UK today - people like you defending people like him and his party while they p!ss all over you and the rest of us. That is why we want out of this useless, corrupt and utterly brain dead union - because people just you who insist on giving their full support to psychopathic thieves who despise you.  

Edited September 3, 2020 by RuamRudy

[Nout]

9 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Politicians give out throwaway lines in interviews all the time. Things like "Dead in a ditch" and "Oven ready deal".

Why would you find the position of remainers amazing. It would appear the people of Scotland want to leave the Union in order to rejoin the EU. Which we were taken out of against our will.

 

They will be at the back of a long queue!

[RuamRudy]

1 minute ago, Nout said:

They will be at the back of a long queue!

Do explain more. This should be interesting. 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

You really are excelling yourself lately, Vogie. Now pensions? You defend the most rancid, most corrupt, most incompetent government any of us have had to endure and you suggest that Scottish pensions will be vulnerable? Are you unaware that your glorious Nasty Party that you love and defend so much has one of the lowest pensions in Europe? Are you unaware that Ian Duncan Smith is trying to push out pension age to 75? Because that is the reality of the UK today - people like you defending people like him and his party while they p!ss all over you and the rest of us. That is why we want out of this useless, corrupt and utterly brain dead union - because people just you who insist on giving their full support psychopathic thieves who despise you.  

And you say there is no hatred in the SNP, every post a gem.????????????????

[Rookiescot]

17 minutes ago, vogie said:

In what currency will Holyrood be paying it's pensioners.

Either Sterling or our own currency.

Think were are going to call it the Johnson. In honour of the man who did more to further Scottish independence than anyone else could.

A Johnson will of course be worth 100 Brexiteers. 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

And you say there is no hatred in the SNP, every post a gem.????????????????

No answers, nothing - all you have to offer are lies and smears. When presented with genuine concerns you realise you are caught bang to rights and you have nothing. No hatred, mate - lots of bewildered disappointment at how so many selfish people can close their eyes to the truth. History won't remember you specifically, but it will question why so many offered their slavish support to the party that abused all of us. 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

No answers, nothing - all you have to offer are lies and smears. When presented with genuine concerns you realise you are caught bang to rights and you have nothing. No hatred, mate - lots of bewildered disappointment at how so many selfish people can close their eyes to the truth. History won't remember you specifically, but it will question why so many offered their slavish support to the party that abused all of us. 

But it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with someone who hates what, who and whenever. It is a case of the majority of the UK is wrong but little Tammy has all the answers.

[Nout]

22 hours ago, tebee said:

We made a democratic decision in  in 1975  to join the EU but we've voted on that again .

No. We voted to join a common market for trading purposes not a pan European political entity with unwanted socialist policies and arbitrary rules detrimental to Britain  regarding human rights, terrorism, immigration, unwanted mass movement of people leading to low wages and a host of other issues that had nothing to do with The Common Market

[RuamRudy]

8 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Either Sterling or our own currency.

Think were are going to call it the Johnson. In honour of the man who did more to further Scottish independence than anyone else could.

A Johnson will of course be worth 100 Brexiteers. 

I am not sure that is a good idea - Brexiteers will, for many years to come, be associated with stagnation, depression, high unemployment and deep recession. 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

But it is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with someone who hates what, who and whenever. It is a case of the majority of the UK is wrong but little Tammy has all the answers.

The majority did not vote Tory and did not vote Leave, so I would say that the majority has got it sussed. Unfortunately, our archaic and deliberately corrupt voting system ensured that a  minority of deluded fools were sufficient in numbers to vote for the people who are screwing us all. 

 

There is no answer to that as long as these psycopaths remain in power and as long as a sufficient number of the minority vote for them. Therefore, the answer is clear - pack up and get the hell out of it. It won't save the majority of decent English people who rejected both Brexit and the Tories, but we are unable to do anything about that - sorry. 

[RuamRudy]

6 minutes ago, Nout said:

No. We voted to join a common market for trading purposes not a pan European political entity with unwanted socialist policies and arbitrary rules detrimental to Britain  regarding human rights, terrorism, immigration, unwanted mass movement of people leading to low wages and a host of other issues that had nothing to do with The Common Market

Can you specify those unwanted socialist policies and arbitrary rules, please?

[vogie]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

The majority did not vote Tory and did not vote Leave, so I would say that the majority has got it sussed. Unfortunately, our archaic and deliberately corrupt voting system ensured that a  minority of deluded fools were sufficient in numbers to vote for the people who are screwing us all. 

 

There is no answer to that as long as these psycopaths remain in power and as long as a sufficient number of the minority vote for them. Therefore, the answer is clear - pack up and get the hell out of it. It won't save the majority of decent English people who rejected both Brexit and the Tories, but we are unable to do anything about that - sorry. 

Did the majority vote SNP?

 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Did the majority vote SNP?

 

irrelevant - you stated:

 

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

It is a case of the majority of the UK is wrong but little Tammy has all the answers.

But, as usual, you realise how weak your argument was so you try to deflect.

 

For what it's worth, the SNP was firmly in favour of, and campaigned for PR when it was put to referendum. The two most entrenched parties in the UK saw to it that its clear benefits were traduced and, to the UK's costs, we rejected the opportunity to fix something that was broken. 

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

irrelevant - you stated:

 

But, as usual, you realise how weak your argument was so you try to deflect.

 

For what it's worth, the SNP was firmly in favour of, and campaigned for PR when it was put to referendum. The two most entrenched parties in the UK saw to it that its clear benefits were traduced and, to the UK's costs, we rejected the opportunity to fix something that was broken. 

Irrelevant, priceless.????????????

[kingdong]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

In what currency will Holyrood be paying it's pensioners.

groats

[evadgib]

There was an interview at the end of Fatty Bolton's show this afternoon with former leader of the Welsh assembly Hywell Williams that might interest this board.

Edited September 3, 2020 by evadgib

[kingdong]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

Can you specify those unwanted socialist policies and arbitrary rules, please?

unwanted mass migration by economic migrants from failed countries in the eu under the freedom of movement.

[RuamRudy]

10 minutes ago, kingdong said:

unwanted mass migration by economic migrants from failed countries in the eu under the freedom of movement.

That's a helluva long winded policy title. 

 

As we are no longer in the EU, why is Farage still getting his racist knickers in a twist on the beaches of England?

[evadgib]

7 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

That's a helluva long winded policy title. 

 

As we are no longer in the EU, why is Farage still getting his racist knickers in a twist on the beaches of England?

I have seen nothing whatsoever to support such nonsence.

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

That's a helluva long winded policy title. 

 

As we are no longer in the EU, why is Farage still getting his racist knickers in a twist on the beaches of England?

you asked for a policy i gave you one which you were obviously unable to counter.we are still in the eu untill 31 dec 2020,do try to keep up with current affairs.where did i mention farage? hes on the beaches reporting on a situation mainstream media is deliberately ignoring,a situation that could put british lives at risk,unlike you i don,t duck countering points,even grossly deflective ones.

[Rimmer]

A post has been removed, please do not refer to First ministers of Scotland using derogatory language to suit your personal agenda

[RuamRudy]

7 hours ago, kingdong said:

you asked for a policy i gave you one which you were obviously unable to counter.we are still in the eu untill 31 dec 2020,do try to keep up with current affairs.where did i mention farage? hes on the beaches reporting on a situation mainstream media is deliberately ignoring,a situation that could put british lives at risk,unlike you i don,t duck countering points,even grossly deflective ones.

You gave a Daily Express nonsense headline and you ignored the mountains of evidence which showed that Eastern European immigration to the UK was net positive. But well done on bigging up Farage, almost Tommy like in his bravery and selflessness. What a great example he is to the youth of England. 

[evadgib]

24 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

You gave a Daily Express nonsense headline and you ignored the mountains of evidence which showed that Eastern European immigration to the UK was net positive. But well done on bigging up Farage, almost Tommy like in his bravery and selflessness. What a great example he is to the youth of England. 

How often have you shoveled articles from the Guardian, Independent or Scotland-only publications onto the boards?

 

As the invasion of UK has been mentioned here is a link to a debate in the HoC that took place immediately after PMQ's on Weds:

 

Parliamentlive.tv

Edited September 4, 2020 by evadgib