SURVEY: Lockdowns--effective or not?

[Scott]

With Covid-19 cases spreading in Thailand, do you believe that going on lockdown will be effective?

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

 

 

[Trentham]

Why do you even start this survey. You just give the conspiracy theorists an opportunity to spread <deleted>?

[Dmaxdan]

Ultimately, a full nationwide lockdown will create way more problems for the Thai people than it will solve.

[OneMoreFarang]

Obviously lockdowns are effective. 

But that doesn't mean I want one or support one.

Too many people lost already their jobs and with another lockdown things would be worse.

 

It seems many Thais take Covid serious. And if enough people take it serious and socially distance then things might get under control again.

But we all know there are also many people who just don't care. That's maybe the the same kind of people who drink and drive. It's obvious they shouldn't do it but they still do it. And if there are too many people like that then another lockdown will be inevitable.

[Mr Meeseeks]

The previous lockdown was one of the reasons the virus was contained in Thailand last time. 

 

It's the reason life in Thailand has been reasonably normal, outside the tourism industry, since May. 

 

It is absolutely necessary to protect other industries that will be devastated if the virus takes hold as we have seen in the US or UK for example. 

 

IMO, a failure to already lockdown after the outbreak in Samut Sakhon was discovered will prove to be a catastrophic mistake. Allowing travel during this New year period just compounds the folly. 

[bunnydrops]

The Thais seem to take it seriously. Locally many are cutting down on the visits to the markets, staying home. But then there is the slacking in signing in at Tesco.

Just yesterday there was a big "farang wedding" said to have had 300 people from all over Thailand in attendance. If the cats are out of the bag, how do you stop the spread without a total lock-down.

[meechai]

On 12/26/2020 at 1:46 PM, Scott said:

do you believe that going on lockdown will be effective?

 

No... same as telling folks...instead of a no smoking section why not just hold your breath

 

Testing is all there is & testing Thailand has always lacked

[blazes]

I guess the 3rd question should be "precede" not "proceed"???

[poskat]

shouldnt the question be are there valid research results that indicate that lockdowns are effective?

perhaps a committee of the TV epidemiologists could do a systematic review of the studies to-date and present their findings

[shackleton]

If the number of Corivirus  cases keep increasing  there will no option but to enforce 

Quarantine measures better earlier than later

[DaLa]

10 minutes ago, poskat said:

shouldnt the question be are there valid research results that indicate that lockdowns are effective?

perhaps a committee of the TV epidemiologists could do a systematic review of the studies to-date and present their findings

I know your post  was in jest, but I find the lacking of analysis and strategies by the WHO on C-19 unbelievable.  So many different views on face masks/distancing/ gathering/ drinking alcohol after 6pm. 

 

Sometimes I favour the views offered by TV...at least it gives me a laugh.

[2530Ubon]

China should probably never be looked to as an example of anything other than what not to do, but in this case, they did very well.

China is an example of what a lockdown can achieve - total virus eradication. Combined with complete compliance from the public (we all know what happens to those who disobey the CCP) lockdown is an effective method to control a viral outbreak.

 

The problem lies with our western governments imposing 'lockdown lites' and not fully enforcing the rules. The UK is the worst in Europe - non compliance with virtually all rules - masks are more like chin diapers, lockdown has so many 'valid' reasons to go out of the house and essential shopping /essential travel is a stupid term to use. Essential shopping/travel are two of the things that have been abused and lead to steady increases.

 

Don't end a lockdown until the case numbers have evaporated. Having an arbitrary 4 weeks locked down, but still having cases in the thousands when it ends is not really doing any good - it's more like holding off the inevitable surge.

[diks]

2 hours ago, meechai said:

 

No... same as telling folks...instead of a no smoking section why not just hold your breath

 

Testing is all there is & testing Thailand has always lacked

Even the PCR test is non specific to Covid and depends by far too much on the CT value.

 

Here is some supporting info that general lockdowns have no effect: https://www.pandata.org/lockdowns-dont-work-why/

[4MyEgo]

It will be interesting to see how the government will respond because they know more about this virus now than before.

 

One one hand they can't afford another lockdown, one the other if they let the virus take it's course, hoping that the Thai's will adhere to social distancing, frequent washing of hands and wearing face masks, then they might just get there till the vaccination is given, that said, there is a problem there with the vaccination because from what I have heard from the wife is that they have only ordered 20 million doses and are asking people to donate....W.T.F.

 

The above said, I am not waiting or relying on anyone, I am preparing for the next lockdown, with perhaps many more to follow, so Makro here I come as I can't live without certain European foods and something to wash them down with during the lockdown/s.

Edited December 28, 2020 by 4MyEgo

[khunPer]

Travel-restrictions seems in my view to be way more important to reduce a virus break-out than lockdown. The virus spreads from travelling, and that's how the virus first came into Thailand in January and March, and again presumably coming with migrant workers this 2nd time, and thereafter spread to numerous provinces due to people's travel activity.

[mtls2005]

Immediate nation-wide two-week shutdown. Bitter pill now, extreme pain in a short-time, better than dragging it out.

 

Too many indivdual provincial "orders" will just confuse people.

 

Virus spread is out to 44 provinces as of today.

 

Good thing they're not doing too much testing.

 

Minister of Health (anutin) in 2 week quarantine after being in a shrimp derby with Samut Sakhon Governor yesterday. 

Edited December 28, 2020 by mtls2005

[mtls2005]

dupe post deleted.

Edited December 28, 2020 by mtls2005

[salsajapan]

What ? how surprised ! I have read so many times from the Nobel Prize of this forum that there was no virus in Thailand, reason why they didn't need to wear a mask ! Hey champions, I hope that you now understand how high is your IQ !!!

 

 

[Jeffr2]

4 hours ago, meechai said:

 

No... same as telling folks...instead of a no smoking section why not just hold your breath

 

Testing is all there is & testing Thailand has always lacked

Masks are the #1 item.  Then social distancing, washing hands, etc.  Targeted lock downs, like they are doing now, are OK to help contain the spread.  But a nationwide lock down isn't that great.

 

I don't remember the numbers, but if people in the US had just worn masks, tens of thousands would still be alive today.

[chilly07]

Learn from the highest pro rata Wuflu death rate in the world. The UK has been in and out of national and local lockdowns for 9 mths with schools universities and workplaces opening and closing like wack a moles. A fifth tier is about to be announced by a PM who hasn't yet understood the first tier or anything else come to that and the end result is the emergence of a much more highly infectious Wuflu strain. I wonder why?

[rioD]

The U.S had lockdowns and now have the most cases in the world.  Lock downs do not work.

[Peterw42]

Just now, rioD said:

The U.S had lockdowns and now have the most cases in the world.  Lock downs do not work.

Isnt that the whole point, the US didnt have comprehensive and widespread shutdowns, and still doesnt.

A large percentage of the population refused to co-operate, refused to wear masks etc. The whole constitutional right to be a selfish idiot.

The US has the most cases in the world because they didnt have proper shutdowns, they announced and tried to have shutdowns but a large part of the population didn't comply.

A 100% shutdowns works 100%. A 50% shutdown does nothing

 

[DaLa]

4 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Isnt that the whole point, the US didnt have comprehensive and widespread shutdowns, and still doesnt.

A large percentage of the population refused to co-operate, refused to wear masks etc. The whole constitutional right to be a selfish idiot.

The US has the most cases in the world because they didnt have proper shutdowns, they announced and tried to have shutdowns but a large part of the population didn't comply.

A 100% shutdowns works 100%. A 50% shutdown does nothing

 

I tend to agree with you, however a 100% watertight shut down is 101% unachievable.  So somewhere between  50% achieving nothing and what would  be feasible would still lead to some spread. And what constitutes a 100% shutdown...no contact with any other member of your family? all shops closed? all  businesses closed?

[Peterw42]

2 minutes ago, DaLa said:

I tend to agree with you, however a 100% watertight shut down is 101% unachievable.  So somewhere between  50% achieving nothing and what would  be feasible would still lead to some spread. And what constitutes a 100% shutdown...no contact with any other member of your family? all shops closed? all  businesses closed?

 

Yes, a 100% shutdown is impossible but something approaching the previous Thai shutdown appeared to have worked.

It really is a case of all (or as close as possible) or nothing. 

[NoshowJones]

7 hours ago, Trentham said:

Why do you even start this survey. You just give the conspiracy theorists an opportunity to spread <deleted>?

That's nonsense, it is an excellent survey and very interesting to see posters opinions.

[NoshowJones]

5 hours ago, meechai said:

 

No... same as telling folks...instead of a no smoking section why not just hold your breath

 

Testing is all there is & testing Thailand has always lacked

Right from the very start of this virus, all over the world the preventions, lockdowns etc, are worse than the cure. The vast majority of people getting the virus are making full recoveries.

[NoshowJones]

1 hour ago, Peterw42 said:

Isnt that the whole point, the US didnt have comprehensive and widespread shutdowns, and still doesnt.

A large percentage of the population refused to co-operate, refused to wear masks etc. The whole constitutional right to be a selfish idiot.

The US has the most cases in the world because they didnt have proper shutdowns, they announced and tried to have shutdowns but a large part of the population didn't comply.

A 100% shutdowns works 100%. A 50% shutdown does nothing

 

One of the reasons the US has the most cases in the world is because the biggest majority of Americans are overweight due to their questionable lifestyles.

[onthedarkside]

A post linking to a dubious source of coronavirus information has been removed.

 

[2530Ubon]

51 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

One of the reasons the US has the most cases in the world is because the biggest majority of Americans are overweight due to their questionable lifestyles.

Whilst I agree that the average American is overweight due to questionable lifestyles, that doesn't mean only fat Americans are contracting and passing on the virus.

 

The virus can, and does, infect anyone. Those with poor health, such as obesity are more at risk to adverse reactions and death. The reason the US has so many cases is because, just like the UK, Americans don't like following rules.

 

They prefer to spend time listening to conspiracy theories and QAnon.

 

They prefer not to wear masks and take their state governor to court over the issue of mandated mask wearing because, and I quote; "They are trying to block gods wonderful breathing machine" 

 

They prefer to think about themselves first. Social responsibility has never been at the core of any American (well, Bernie Sanders is excluded. He's actually got the right idea.) which is why they don't have a national health care service for all - unlike virtually every other democratic, wealthy nation. No money? No healthcare. You don't deserve to live. 5 States don't even have a minimum wage for workers - shocking - they have a federally mandated lousy 7.25 dollars an hour! Americans are inherently selfish and thus social responsibilty is non-existant.

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, possum1931 said:

One of the reasons the US has the most cases in the world is because the biggest majority of Americans are overweight due to their questionable lifestyles.

More reason to have strict shutdowns, most of the country are at a greater risk.