Lockdown now or face dire consequences like Japan, warns top doc

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Lockdown now or face dire consequences like Japan, warns top doc

 

Picture: Daily News

 

Doctor Thira Woratanarat of Chulalongkorn University's Faculty of Medicine went online to suggest that Thailand should have a nationwide four week lockdown. 

 

If this did not happen he predicted that the country would end up like Japan that he said experienced eight times the number of infections in the latest wave of coronavirus compared to the first wave. 

 

The death rate in the Asian neighbor was also worse than Thailand, he said on Facebook. 

 

The message from the doctor was clear, Thailand needed a national lockdown now. 

 

Source: Daily News

 

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[Travelanimal]

Lockdown isn't answer and never will be . It will only harm the economy.  If you haven't learnt it till now then you are foolish

[Surelynot]

Lockdown isn't the answer....sure....... let the virus cull all the old, the obese and those with underlying heath conditions.....what the hell........ I'm not one of them so why do I care!!!!!

[86Tiger]

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Lockdown isn't the answer....sure....... let the virus cull all the old, the obese and those with underlying heath conditions.....what the hell........ I'm not one of them so why do I care!!!!!

 

 

Maybe the answer could be lock down "...all the old, the obese and those with underlying health conditions...." and let the healthy, young population go about providing food, shelter, clothing to sustain society.

 

But that is just a guess.......

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, 86Tiger said:

 

 

Maybe the answer could be lock down "...all the old, the obese and those with underlying health conditions...." and let the healthy, young population go about providing food, shelter, clothing to sustain society.

 

But that is just a guess.......

I thought the same.....but the experts, in the UK at least, very quickly discounted that as an option as totally unworkable/unacceptable???

[tingtong]

15 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Lockdown isn't the answer....sure....... let the virus cull all the old, the obese and those with underlying heath conditions.....what the hell........ I'm not one of them so why do I care!!!!!

 

So is the answer a lockdown to bleed to death all those who actually subsidize all, the old, the obese, the sick?

 

Who is the proposed LAST group to receive the vaccine if once it is available?

First the old, the obese, those with conditions....

All the meantime let's risk and make last the group that at the engine of all.

Best to cull the golden egg laying goose!

This case the 18-59 group, preferable men, to be the very last.

Like that make any sense!!

Can proudly save an 89 yo pensioner vs a 35 yo active worker.

The reality, if the 35 yo we don't save, the pensioners will soon enough starve to death most case. 

 

I know the forum is full of elderly here, but put PC talk aside a moment and use common sense. If exist.

 

 

[86Tiger]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

I thought the same.....but the experts, in the UK at least, very quickly discounted that as an option as totally unworkable/unacceptable???

 

 

I have come to believe the response has been influenced by political correctness / fairness.  It is not fair that an over weight 80 year old sufferring diabetes and high blood pressure is at greater risk than the healthy, athletic 25 year old.  In fairness neither can go to the park because it would make the 80 year old feel bad to see others outside enjoying fresh air and sunshine.

 

So rather than be accused of discrimination everyone will stay locked down.  That way all can suffer  misery and be destitute with lack of food, clothing and shelter together, a fair response to a virus that is so bad over whelming majority must be tested to even know they are sick.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, tingtong said:

 

So is the answer a lockdown to bleed to death all those who actually subsidize all, the old, the obese, the sick?

 

Who is the proposed LAST group to receive the vaccine if once it is available?

First the old, the obese, those with conditions....

All the meantime let's risk and make last the group that at the engine of all.

Best to cull the golden egg laying goose!

This case the 18-59 group, preferable men, to be the very last.

Like that make any sense!!

Can proudly save an 89 yo pensioner vs a 35 yo active worker.

The reality, if the 35 yo we don't save, the pensioners will soon enough starve to death most case. 

 

I know the forum is full of elderly here, but put PC talk aside a moment and use common sense. If exist.

 

 

In terms of vaccination priority we are told that 99.9% of deaths are in the over 60's....no need to vaccinate anyone younger????

[tingtong]

Just now, Surelynot said:

In terms of vaccination priority we are told that 99.9% of deaths are in the over 60's....no need to vaccinate anyone younger????

 

Not anymore. Not. That was the very beginning.

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, 86Tiger said:

 

 

I have come to believe the response has been influenced by political correctness / fairness.  It is not fair that an over weight 80 year old sufferring diabetes and high blood pressure is at greater risk than the healthy, athletic 25 year old.  In fairness neither can go to the park because it would make the 80 year old feel bad to see others outside enjoying fresh air and sunshine.

 

So rather than be accused of discrimination everyone will stay locked down.  That way all can suffer  misery and be destitute with lack of food, clothing and shelter together, a fair response to a virus that is so bad over whelming majority must be tested to even know they are sick.

You may well be correct....and I cannot imagine all those 'at risk' would not have been only too happy to have lockdown for their own benefit and the benefit of the country....but the option was never put them.

[Surelynot]

Just now, tingtong said:

 

Not anymore. Not. That was the very beginning.

A total of 388 people under 60-years-old with no pre-existing health conditions have died of coronavirus in hospitals in England, NHS data has shown. The figures show that 1,979 people who tested...

 

 

Mmmmm

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/28/388-brits-under-60-with-no-underlying-conditions-died-of-covid-in-hospitals-13815524/

[tingtong]

5 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

A total of 388 people under 60-years-old with no pre-existing health conditions have died of coronavirus in hospitals in England, NHS data has shown. The figures show that 1,979 people who tested...

 

 

Mmmmm

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/12/28/388-brits-under-60-with-no-underlying-conditions-died-of-covid-in-hospitals-13815524/

 

Check your numbers for 99.9%

Facts...feelings...

Don't worry, I won't skip front of you for the vaccine, neither old nor have other conditions then being allergic to BS 99.9% of times.

 

[DavisH]

43 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Lockdown isn't the answer....sure....... let the virus cull all the old, the obese and those with underlying heath conditions.....what the hell........ I'm not one of them so why do I care!!!!!

You wanna be stuck in a Thai field hospital for how many weeks before you can return two negative swabs? Ans it can take many weeks to do this. Be my guest. Roll the die and take your chances then. 

[FarFlungFalang]

25 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Lockdown isn't the answer....sure....... let the virus cull all the old, the obese and those with underlying heath conditions.....what the hell........ I'm not one of them so why do I care!!!!!

The virus doesn't cull,people cull.This virus has infected 1.2% of the global pop after 12 months so maybe after 60-70 years we might reach herd immunity with some help from vaccines. Maybe just treat the disease as it arises and let the rest get on with keeping everything else healthy like the old normal which has worked since forever.Lockdowns bring people together in tight less ventilated spaces which encourages infections seems a bit counter intuitive to me.Lockdowns also have devastating health effects of undiagnosed and untreated illnesses.So lockdowns trade the lives of those with covid with lives of those at risk of undiagnosed and untreated life threatening illnesses.If there was some scientific proof that lockdowns saves lives without risking the lives of others and not reports that "suggest" measures "may" have some small benefit in slowing the speed of the pandemic but none in preventing the final outcome.

[madmitch]

Doctors only look from a health and not an economic perspective so this is only to be expected.

[Dumbastheycome]

Those that thinking  to  just let it spread and never  mind the cull  forget there is a lot of evidence that many of the  younger "survivors present  with  ongoing and  some permanent damage. So is it a great idea  to  promote a damaged population at the expense  of society?

[Boomer6969]

The good Doctor is absolutely right. And having one or two six weeks lockdowns before herd immunity is achieved through a well managed vaccination campaigns will not be the end of the world. 

[Surelynot]

13 minutes ago, tingtong said:

 

Check your numbers for 99.9%

Facts...feelings...

Don't worry, I won't skip front of you for the vaccine, neither old nor have other conditions then being allergic to BS 99.9% of times.

 

Just checked..... 388/75000 is 99.5%...... so 99.9% off the top of my head wasn't too far off...555

[Surelynot]

17 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

like the old normal which has worked since forever

Mmmmm Spanish (actually American) flu...... 100 million deaths....that worked well.

[FarFlungFalang]

3 minutes ago, Dumbastheycome said:

Those that thinking  to  just let it spread and never  mind the cull  forget there is a lot of evidence that many of the  younger "survivors present  with  ongoing and  some permanent damage. So is it a great idea  to  promote a damaged population at the expense  of society?

There is mounting evidence that lockdowns is causing death due to undiagnosed and untreated ailments as well a spikes in suicides are you choosing who to cull?Many young flu victims also suffer ongoing and some permanent damage.So I hope this lockdown idea doesn't catch on because we'll have to have one every flu season in fact we should go into permanent lockdown to prevent any and all deaths from occurring because to let a virus spread now is tantamount to murder and culling.I just hope people will be consistent with their motivations for lockdowns which are know to cause major health problems and death.Those who wish for lock downs should feel free to lockdown, just don't try and decide who dies and who lives.

[FarFlungFalang]

1 minute ago, Surelynot said:

Mmmmm Spanish (actually American) flu...... 100 million deaths....that worked well.

They did compulsory masks and lockdowns which didn't work well either.Actually they don't "know" where it originated only guess where.

[spidermike007]

I was just informed by a relative of my wife, who works in the provincial government, that as of tomorrow, the whole country is locking down. We has a trip planned to Korat and Chaiyaphum, and we would have been stopped on the highway, and quarantined for 14 days, from what I was told. He said there will be a mandatory 14 day quarantine for all people entering any province.

 

A rather strong move, but likely necessary, after yesterday's numbers were revealed. Had Prayuth and his team been on the ball, this would have happened in Samut Sakorn immediately, when the outbreak happened, and it would have likely been contained.

 

He and his utterly hapless and stunningly incompetent army have failed us once again, and he needs to admit the failure, apologize to the nation, and fall on his sword, metaphorically, by handing in his resignation, in utter humiliation. 

 

A speech to the nation. "I am so sorry. I could have stopped this from happening. Same goes for my health minister. We are both handing in our resignation, starting tomorrow. It is the right thing to do. I now realize both myself and Anutin have been way over our heads, this entire time. We take responsibility. Forgive us, if u can, but we will never forgive ourselves for failing you, the people of Thailand. 

Edited January 4, 2021 by spidermike007

[James105]

I notice a lot of videos coming out of Wuhan lately, especially showing lots of New Years parties with thousands of party goers which leads me to think one of two possibilities is occurring here:

 

1. They eradicated the virus.  

2. They couldn't eradicate it but decided that the virus was not deadly enough to justify lockdowns.

 

My money is on number 2.  They are about to become the worlds largest economy 5 years ahead of schedule by getting the rest of the world to believe the virus could be eradicated or even controlled by lockdowns, even though history tells us that this has never worked for any virus in the history of viruses.    

[86Tiger]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

..........getting the rest of the world to believe the virus could be eradicated or even controlled by lockdowns, even though history tells us that this has never worked for any virus in the history of viruses.    

 

 

 

My girl is different.

[Bender Rodriguez]

when panic took over, rational thinking was gone

 

all wait for your miracle vaccine, that seem not to be protecting if only one dose has been taken and UK want to wait up to 12 weeks....

[John Drake]

This seems to sink that idea that TAT kept trying to sell which marketed the country as a Covid-free oasis for rich and exclusive tourists seeking to escape the epidemic. 

[Surelynot]

31 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

They did compulsory masks and lockdowns which didn't work well either.Actually they don't "know" where it originated only guess where.

So....are you suggesting there would/might have been significantly less than 100 million deaths if they hadn't worn masks and didn't lockdown?

[greenmonkey]

For people that keep saying lockdowns don't work - it worked pretty well here in Thailand the first time around right!? We have lived the last 6 months with little restrictions and little worry.... right!? So why not do the same again....?

 

Businesses might be complaining they cannot afford to shut down again but guess what.... let covid spread and then be forced into lockdown later - the lockdown will be a lot longer and lot harder!

 

[RichardColeman]

The whole things nuts - shut all the shops, and then force everyone into the 1 town supermarket for everything thereby potentially spreading the virus more.

[poskat]

despite there being little studied evidence on the effectiveness of lockdowns and mask use, the "but I think it should work" mindset of the government to be seen as doing something is what is being enacted here.

 

after 1 year, the number of deaths just hit 1 in a million.....

Edited January 4, 2021 by poskat