Which diesel you're using / recommending?

[heiri007]

Oh boy, by refusing biodiesel I can halt deforestation?

 

Of course it's environmentally scandalous, yet it's a reality and I care for what's good for the car as well.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

7 minutes ago, heiri007 said:

Oh boy, by refusing biodiesel I can halt deforestation?

 

Exaggerate much? No one said that.

[heiri007]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Exaggerate much? No one said that.

 

So what advice do you offer? To stay in the past trying to get pure diesel that's no longer available? Will give it a try,  thanks much. 

[mogandave]

Just now, heiri007 said:

 

So what advice do you offer? To stay in the past trying to get pure diesel that's no longer available? Will give it a try,  thanks much. 

 

My advice it to do whatever you want. 

 

Just because someone comments on how stupid biodiesel is it does not follow that they advocate selling your car and boycotting diesel. 

[heiri007]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

My advice it to do whatever you want. 

 

Just because someone comments on how stupid biodiesel is it does not follow that they advocate selling your car and boycotting diesel. 

 

Of course the cure seems worse than the disease. This thread solely tries to find out what's better for car engines and performance.

[mogandave]

32 minutes ago, heiri007 said:

 

Of course the cure seems worse than the disease. This thread solely tries to find out what's better for car engines and performance.

 

No, it’s asking what people use and or recommend. I use B7 and it seems fine. If “pure” diesel were available for a little more I would use that. I don’t drive enough to get caught up trying to save a little on fuel. 

 

If biodiesel were better for engines and provided comparable performance, every manufacturer would recommend it, yes? 

 

I recommend people use whatever is cheapest and that is readily available, provides good performance and satisfies the vehicle manufacturers specification. 

 

What do you use and or recommend? 

[AlfHuy]

I use cooking oil from my local fish and chips shop.

Runs and smells delightful.

[tifino]

2 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

I use cooking oil from my local fish and chips shop.

Runs and smells delightful.

a veritable Stewdeebaker 

[teacherclaire]

On 1/16/2021 at 4:01 PM, PGSan said:

My mileage per kilometer stays remarkably constant.  Why should it get big? 

Acceleration and high speed. 

[thaisail]

The link below will take you to a very entertaining 15 minute video made by an automotive specialist in Australia. This video is several years old but the main subject is the difference between ordinary diesel and premium diesel. Basically with premium petrol, there is a higher octane reading which will offer better performance. It seems that is not the case with premium diesel. According to this video, the ordinary deisel is identical to premium except for an additive to assist cleaning the injectors. I believe the issue with premium fuel and normal grade diesel in Thailand is identical with Australia. If you have any doubts watch this video and you will never buy Premium again!

https://youtu.be/5fKxLOTVEnI

 

[transam]

13 hours ago, thaisail said:

The link below will take you to a very entertaining 15 minute video made by an automotive specialist in Australia. This video is several years old but the main subject is the difference between ordinary diesel and premium diesel. Basically with premium petrol, there is a higher octane reading which will offer better performance. It seems that is not the case with premium diesel. According to this video, the ordinary deisel is identical to premium except for an additive to assist cleaning the injectors. I believe the issue with premium fuel and normal grade diesel in Thailand is identical with Australia. If you have any doubts watch this video and you will never buy Premium again!

https://youtu.be/5fKxLOTVEnI

 

I would buy premium diesel, if I still had a diesel....

 

I think diesel has moved on a bit since that vid, plus the bloke doesn't seem to like anything he discusses...????

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, transam said:

I would buy premium diesel, if I still had a diesel....

 

I think diesel has moved on a bit since that vid, plus the bloke doesn't seem to like anything he discusses...????

 

Yeah, I never put much stock in anything someone is getting paid to tell me.

 

 

[topt]

On 1/21/2021 at 2:44 PM, mogandave said:

I don’t drive enough to get caught up trying to save a little on fuel. 

I would suggest it is a bit more than a little. I got caught out the other week.

Afterwards worked out there was 7 baht difference between B7 and the "normal" diesel I usually buy. So on a full tank that was over 400baht more - 30 odd percent.......

[Yellowtail]

Last time I fueled-up I bought 63.94 liters of B7 @ THB24.24 per liter. 

 

What did you pay? 

 

You may have gotten "Premium" B7 

 

Note:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tuvoc]

We always use B10 in the 2.8 Fortuner now, saves a couple of hundred baht or so per fill compared to B7, and no noticeable difference in performance or economy. I prefer the international brands - Shell, Esso, Caltex for no real reason, but we use PTT a lot because of the 7 elevens and other facilities attached to most. 

[ctxa]

S B7 Premium from Bangchak. Have tried Premium B7 from Bangchak, PTT and Shell. Bangchak and Shell get a similar mileage slightly higher than PTT. But, for some reason I think acceleration is better with Bangchak's (no science behind it, tho). Plus Bangchak is closer to home. Engine: Mercedes-Benz E-Class CDI Engine. 

 

Plus, topping up the phone pretty much for free every month with the Bangchak Green Miles Card

Edited January 24, 2021 by ctxa

[topt]

8 hours ago, ctxa said:

Plus, topping up the phone pretty much for free every month with the Bangchak Green Miles Card

What exactly is this and how do you get it - since I try to use Bangchak where I can?

[topt]

16 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Last time I fueled-up I bought 63.94 liters of B7 @ THB24.24 per liter. 

 

What did you pay? 

 

You may have gotten "Premium" B7 

 

From Bangchak site - which is interesting to me as I don't remember the pump having the same wording as the top one below so I will be checking carefully next time I go.......

Baht/Liter	Today	Tomorrow
	29.56	29.56
	25.09	25.09
	22.09	22.09

[Yellowtail]

45 minutes ago, topt said:

 

From Bangchak site - which is interesting to me as I don't remember the pump having the same wording as the top one below so I will be checking carefully next time I go.......

Baht/Liter	Today	Tomorrow
	29.56	29.56
	25.09	25.09
	22.09	22.09

 

So a three baht difference, or something less than 15%, still significant if you drive a lot...

[Tuvoc]

Or nearly 8 baht difference between B10 and B7 premium (33%). As much as I'd like to use premium,  it is hard to justify that. Especially since our "new" Fortuner is on 70,000km and isn't even 2 years old yet. Maybe once in a while, that was my intention, but the last 10k has been B10 only.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Tuvoc

[ctxa]

3 hours ago, topt said:

What exactly is this and how do you get it - since I try to use Bangchak where I can?

Sort of a member card. You can get it for free at any Bangchak station. Then every time you refuel your car ask the staff to swipe that member card into their machine. It will give you points, which then you can exchange for stuff in their app. 
 

If I’m not wrong refueling around 800 THB results in 50 something free THB recharge for DTAC. Refueling close to 6000 THB worth of diesel every month, I pretty much get free mobile phone 

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, Tuvoc said:

Or nearly 8 baht difference between B10 and B7 premium (33%). As much as I'd like to use premium,  it is hard to justify that. Especially since our "new" Fortuner is on 70,000km and isn't even 2 years old yet. Maybe once in a while, that was my intention, but the last 10k has been B10 only.

 

Yeah, they're proud of that premium...I've never felt a performance improvement, nor have I ever seen a significant improvement in mileage over regular B7 in the wife's three year old Fortuner, but we only drive it about 12,000km a year.

 

I was driving 40-60,000km a year (company Highlander) when I was working and never saw any real difference between regular and premium either, but I think that was back before the B7 mandates. 

[spidermike007]

For the sake of the nation, those of you who are driving diesel vehicles, please change the oil, fuel filters and air filters frequently. As we know, there are alot of diesel cars and trucks on the road here which are great contributors of the air quality issues, and maintaining a diesel engine is a key to preventing the noxious air they contribute to, when not taken care of. 

 

As some of us know, while diesel fuel generally produces more energy or miles per gallon than gasoline, it also has a much higher carbon content. In fact, diesel fuel produces approximately 13 percent more CO2 gas, per gallon of fuel burned, compared to gas engines.

[ctxa]

11 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

For the sake of the nation, those of you who are driving diesel vehicles, please change the oil, fuel filters and air filters frequently. As we know, there are alot of diesel cars and trucks on the road here which are great contributors of the air quality issues, and maintaining a diesel engine is a key to preventing the noxious air they contribute to, when not taken care of. 

 

As some of us know, while diesel fuel generally produces more energy or miles per gallon than gasoline, it also has a much higher carbon content. In fact, diesel fuel produces approximately 13 percent more CO2 gas, per gallon of fuel burned, compared to gas engines.

While they certainly pollute more. Diesel engines have a significantly higher compression ratio to that of petrol engines, which results in the engine having stronger internals to withstand that extra pressure, which ultimately results in Diesel engines lasting longer than petrol engines. (And this alone is enough reason to buy Diesel, I’ve seen Mercedes petrol engines knocking and burning oil at only 200,000km, and I’ve also seen Mercedes Diesel engines like the OM646 or OM648 running like new after a taxi driver has done over 640k kilometers with it, and minimal maintenance to it, regular oil changes and filters)
 

Also a Diesel engine produces a significantly higher output torque than petrol engines. 
 

Even nowadays I still would take any diesel over a petrol without hesitation. Been driving Diesels all my life. Too bad that Mercedes (and similar companies) have started already to not use Diesel engines in new cars. ????

Edited January 25, 2021 by ctxa

[Yellowtail]

For the sake of the nation (and the world for that matter) those of you driving electric vehicles please charge your vehicles using ONLY clean, renewable energy sources, as virtually all the municipal electricity in Thailand is generated using third-world oil & coal fired generators. 

 

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, and the lungs you save, may be your own."

[ctxa]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

For the sake of the nation (and the world for that matter) those of you driving electric vehicles please charge your vehicles using ONLY clean, renewable energy sources, as virtually all the municipal electricity in Thailand is generated using third-world oil & coal fired generators. 

 

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem, and the lungs you save, may be your own."

Electric cars are the future. But at this point in time (2021) they are just a joke. 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, ctxa said:

While they certainly pollute more. Diesel engines have a significantly higher compression ratio to that of petrol engines, which results in the engine having stronger internals to withstand that extra pressure, which ultimately results in Diesel engines lasting longer than petrol engines. (And this alone is enough reason to buy Diesel, I’ve seen Mercedes petrol engines knocking and burning oil at only 200,000km, and I’ve also seen Mercedes Diesel engines like the OM646 or OM648 running like new after a taxi driver has done over 640k kilometers with it, and minimal maintenance to it, regular oil changes and filters)
 

Also a Diesel engine produces a significantly higher output torque than petrol engines. 
 

Even nowadays I still would take any diesel over a petrol without hesitation. Been driving Diesels all my life. Too bad that Mercedes (and similar companies) have started already to not use Diesel engines in new cars. ????

 

And Thailand is very grateful to responsible diesel owners like you, who take care of their cars or trucks. And while I appreciate the durability of diesel, the issue here is that many Thai diesel owners simply do not engage in enough maintenance of their vehicles, resulting in massive pollution. We all know what a poorly serviced diesel vehicle looks like! 

 

 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

 

And Thailand is very grateful to responsible diesel owners like you, who take care of their cars or trucks. And while I appreciate the durability of diesel, the issue here is that many Thai diesel owners simply do not engage in enough maintenance of their vehicles, resulting in massive pollution. We all know what a poorly serviced diesel vehicle looks like! 

 

 

 

And I realize I left out the government, perhaps the most guilty party in the land, when it comes to poor maintenance of trucks, buses, trains, cars and equipment. 

[DavisH]

On 1/14/2021 at 3:52 PM, heiri007 said:

Interesting... no one using Shell... and no one the (newer) B20.

 

For petrol Shell seems recommended, at least that's what Benz and BMW engineers told me.

 

The majority seem to stick to PTT and Bangchak for diesel - why's that so?

PTT and Bangchak premium is desired for euro 5 emissions vehicles. Last time I checked, anyway.

I use PTT premium in my crv. I occasionally use b7 but only If I cant get premium. Fuel economy is lowet on B7. Not greatly so, but noticeable. I rather not have my dpf clog up or otherwise have problems.

[DavisH]

4 hours ago, ctxa said:

While they certainly pollute more. Diesel engines have a significantly higher compression ratio to that of petrol engines, which results in the engine having stronger internals to withstand that extra pressure, which ultimately results in Diesel engines lasting longer than petrol engines. (And this alone is enough reason to buy Diesel, I’ve seen Mercedes petrol engines knocking and burning oil at only 200,000km, and I’ve also seen Mercedes Diesel engines like the OM646 or OM648 running like new after a taxi driver has done over 640k kilometers with it, and minimal maintenance to it, regular oil changes and filters)
 

Also a Diesel engine produces a significantly higher output torque than petrol engines. 
 

Even nowadays I still would take any diesel over a petrol without hesitation. Been driving Diesels all my life. Too bad that Mercedes (and similar companies) have started already to not use Diesel engines in new cars. ????

Modern diesels can produce pollution on a par with or better than their petrol counterparts. My crv puts out slightly more particulates and less co2 than the 2.4 petrol motor.