18 hours ago, sandyf said:

Theresa May and Boris Johnson were found by the court to have committed unlawful acts. When did any court, other than the LG court, find NS guilty?

Its early days. No doubt you will rubbish it which I don't really care or will respond too. Something isn't right with the whole affair and I hope the truth comes out. I look forward to that.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9309653/SNP-NOT-win-new-Scottish-independence-referendum-poll.html

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alex-massie-alex-salmonds-evidence-has-nicola-sturgeon-on-the-ropes-k3gzs328m  (You need a PPV)

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Its early days. No doubt you will rubbish it which I don't really care or will respond too. Something isn't right with the whole affair and I hope the truth comes out. I look forward to that.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9309653/SNP-NOT-win-new-Scottish-independence-referendum-poll.html

 

So this is a good poll we can believe unlike the previous 22 polls?

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

It's really shocking what's going on in Scotland now with the Sturgeon/Salmond saga. If this is the result of devolved powers then god help them if they ever left the UK and had full control over the country. Imagine the damage they could do in the decade or two before possibly being allowed into the EU. There would be nothing left for Brussels to take over. Would the EU even want what was left?

 

Scottish politics is really embarrassing itself and by association, UK politics as a whole.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9297015/ANDREW-NEIL-Nicola-Sturgeons-storm-troops-turned-Scotland-banana-republic.html

 

Andrew Neil sums it up brilliantly as he so often does. Let's hope the divisive, dishonest Sturgeon does the right thing for once and resigns this week. A shocking state of affairs north of the border.

 

 

 Wow what a read...thank you

9 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

Whats the hallmark of a banana republic? Corruption?

You can find no better example of corruption than handing lucrative government contracts to friends and party donators now can you.

So basically Scotland is already part of a banana republic called the UK.

Are you implying the UK is too stupid to run its own affairs? 

So whatever future Scotland might have or have not it cant be as bad as remaining part of the UK.

 

Ah.... Deflection. 

 

Never saw that coming. 

 

If the events at Holyrood were happening at Westminster it would be all over the national news and there would be serious questions to answer. Somehow the MSM have thus far managed to keep it off the front pages of the various websites. It's an absolute disgrace the way the whole affair has been mismanaged and an attempted cover up handled. 

 

Maybe Boris was right when he said devolution had been a disaster. And it's likely to get worse if the truth manages to escape from under the carpet whence Sturgeon and her allies have been trying to sweep it. Backstabbing, lieing, coverups, threats. The SNP has it all and you have the nerve to call the Tories the nasty party.???? Amazing stuff. 

 

Let's see what happens this week. Could be the start of the end of hopes for Indyref2 if the SNP continues to eat itself alive.

 

It's like giving the keys of a Bentley to a bunch of unruly teenagers.

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Ah.... Deflection. 

 

Never saw that coming. 

 

If the events at Holyrood were happening at Westminster it would be all over the national news and there would be serious questions to answer. Somehow the MSM have thus far managed to keep it off the front pages of the various websites. It's an absolute disgrace the way the whole affair has been mismanaged and an attempted cover up handled. 

 

Maybe Boris was right when he said devolution had been a disaster. And it's likely to get worse if the truth manages to escape from under the carpet whence Sturgeon and her allies have been trying to sweep it. Backstabbing, lieing, coverups, threats. The SNP has it all and you have the nerve to call the Tories the nasty party.???? Amazing stuff. 

 

Let's see what happens this week. Could be the start of the end of hopes for Indyref2 if the SNP continues to eat itself alive.

 

It's like giving the keys of a Bentley to a bunch of unruly teenagers.

 

My point is unionists are very keen to belittle Scotland while ignoring whats going on in Westminster.

Its only off the MSM (except for SKY and the BBC) south of the border. In Scotland this story has been running for moths. The unionist media are having a field day with it.

Course if you ONLY get your news from publications like the express and Mail then yeah they have only started reporting it recently. With the usual hypocrisy.

Salmond and Sturgeon could disappear tomorrow and its not going to change peoples minds about independence.  

21 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

 

My point is unionists are very keen to belittle Scotland while ignoring whats going on in Westminster.

Its only off the MSM (except for SKY and the BBC) south of the border. In Scotland this story has been running for moths. The unionist media are having a field day with it.

Course if you ONLY get your news from publications like the express and Mail then yeah they have only started reporting it recently. With the usual hypocrisy.

Salmond and Sturgeon could disappear tomorrow and its not going to change peoples minds about independence.  

 

Well it seems that support for Independence is already dropping and we haven't been allowed to see the full truth yet, the SNP has been using every trick in the book to suppress it. Imagine if the truth about the bitter infighting and Sturgeon misleading Parliament comes out, forcing her to resign.

 

The House of Cards could quickly fall once everyone realizes what an opportunistic shyster she is. They might actually start looking at the countries decline in terms of health and education instead of falling for the old "look over there" trick. Once they realize how the countries obsession with Independence has negatively impacted Scotland without even having left yet, they might not be so keen to isolate themselves for a decade or two to fulfill the political ambitions of a few charlatans masquerading as virtuous leaders.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poll-shows-support-for-scottish-independence-dropping-to-50-for-first-time-since-june-fxgmc6zkm

 

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Well it seems that support for Independence is already dropping and we haven't been allowed to see the full truth yet, the SNP has been using every trick in the book to suppress it. Imagine if the truth about the bitter infighting and Sturgeon misleading Parliament comes out, forcing her to resign.

 

The House of Cards could quickly fall once everyone realizes what an opportunistic shyster she is. They might actually start looking at the countries decline in terms of health and education instead of falling for the old "look over there" trick. Once they realize how the countries obsession with Independence has negatively impacted Scotland without even having left yet, they might not be so keen to isolate themselves for a decade or two to fulfill the political ambitions of a few charlatans masquerading as virtuous leaders.

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poll-shows-support-for-scottish-independence-dropping-to-50-for-first-time-since-june-fxgmc6zkm

 

 

If you ask me she should resign right now. Definitely something stinky going on. And even if its not her its happened on her watch.

 

It's all bluff. The only reason the UK wants to keep Scotland on board is to secure our borders; they can play this card all they like, Hadrian's Wall can be rebuilt, if push comes to shove.

1 hour ago, Rookiescot said:

 

My point is unionists are very keen to belittle Scotland while ignoring whats going on in Westminster.

Its only off the MSM (except for SKY and the BBC) south of the border. In Scotland this story has been running for moths. The unionist media are having a field day with it.

Course if you ONLY get your news from publications like the express and Mail then yeah they have only started reporting it recently. With the usual hypocrisy.

Salmond and Sturgeon could disappear tomorrow and its not going to change peoples minds about independence.  

Not only the Express or the Mail though is it.

 

 

An excellent article on the current attempted coverup happening north of the border. Maybe the SNP's tactics are to bring so much shame to UK politics that we agree to a second referendum in a hope Scotland will leave and stop dragging the UK's name through the mud?

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/02/26/the-rotten-state-of-scotland/

 

13 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

England is being financed by Scotland:

 

https://macalbasite.wordpress.com/2018/10/11/irrefutable-evidence-its-not-scotland-thats-too-poor-to-be-independent-its-england/?fbclid=IwAR00nNLydUSov3NZHpzgjQmC3ykhx_31iVx6M9GKr8Mgwqjv5FxuTboCLDU

 

 

Unfortunately, relying on statistical unsound, biased sources (almost) inevitably results in incorrect conclusions.

 

England's GDP per head is greater than Scotland's.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Scotland

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_England

 

I'd imagine that there are numerous other inaccuracies in your source's data.

 

 

21 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Scotland took part in a national referendum where every vote counts, Its simple they lost 

17,410,742 VOTES for leave 16,141,241 VOTES for remain leave majority 1,269,501

Its simple if you are unwilling to accept the outcome in a national referendum don't vote

 

Standard brexit rhetoric. You just refuse to acknowledge the fundamental flaws in the so called "national" referendum. There has only ever been 3 and sooner or later one was going to bring the constitution into question.

Historical precedence does not make anything right. If everyone had held onto that principle, slavery would never have been abolished an women wouldn't be allowed to vote.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

in a hope Scotland will leave and stop dragging the UK's name through the mud?

Thanks for that, best laugh all week.

With a PM quite prepared to break domestic and international laws, the UK name is so deep in the brown stuff Scotland has no chance of putting it down further.

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Standard brexit rhetoric. You just refuse to acknowledge the fundamental flaws in the so called "national" referendum. There has only ever been 3 and sooner or later one was going to bring the constitution into question.

Historical precedence does not make anything right. If everyone had held onto that principle, slavery would never have been abolished an women wouldn't be allowed to vote.

Most people call it common sense If the 1,018,322 leave voters in Scotland and the 349,442 leave voters in Northern Ireland had voted remain instead of leave or abstained from voting then remain would have won

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's really shocking what's going on in Scotland now with the Sturgeon/Salmond saga.

Amazing how ignorance can dictate the rhetoric, do you really think this is the first political drama in Scottish history.

Not a lot different to 1982 when Alex Salmond and the 79 Group were expelled from the SNP. Life will go on.

As much as I do not like the idea of AS ever being the leader of any party, RR may well be right. If Scotland ends up with the 2 main political parties in favour of a referendum, Westminster will have nowhere to hide.

More clarity will come in May.

5 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Something isn't right with the whole affair and I hope the truth comes out.

I couldn't agree more. The Scottish government made an error over the investigating officer but that does not equate to innocence.

Very unlikely the case will ever come back to court.

29 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Amazing how ignorance can dictate the rhetoric, do you really think this is the first political drama in Scottish history.

Not a lot different to 1982 when Alex Salmond and the 79 Group were expelled from the SNP. Life will go on.

As much as I do not like the idea of AS ever being the leader of any party, RR may well be right. If Scotland ends up with the 2 main political parties in favour of a referendum, Westminster will have nowhere to hide.

More clarity will come in May.

Where did I suggest this was the first political drama in Scotland?

 

Oh that's right, I didn't.

46 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Thanks for that, best laugh all week.

With a PM quite prepared to break domestic and international laws, the UK name is so deep in the brown stuff Scotland has no chance of putting it down further.

 

When did Boris break international law?

4 hours ago, nausea said:

It's all bluff. The only reason the UK wants to keep Scotland on board is to secure our borders; they can play this card all they like, Hadrian's Wall can be rebuilt, if push comes to shove.

The UK also doesn't want a tin-pot, one party, woke, socialist state being built right next door.

6 hours ago, nausea said:

It's all bluff. The only reason the UK wants to keep Scotland on board is to secure our borders; they can play this card all they like, Hadrian's Wall can be rebuilt, if push comes to shove.

I think all of Hadrian's Wall is inside England, 60 miles inside at Wallsend. The 600,000 English people living in England north of the wall might be a bit peeved if they end up on the 'wrong' side ????.

1 hour ago, NiceGuyEddy said:

The UK also doesn't want a tin-pot, one party, woke, socialist state being built right next door.

 

I am guessing you have no idea what any of those adjectives actually mean, or you would have realised when you typed them out that it is utter nonsense. I guess that (plus Brexit) is what happens you you get the entirety of your news briefing from the headlines of the Daily Express.

17 minutes ago, BirdsandBooze said:

I think all of Hadrian's Wall is inside England, 60 miles inside at Wallsend. The 600,000 English people living in England north of the wall might be a bit peeved if they end up on the 'wrong' side ????.

 

The way things are going with that lot down in Westminster, I am sure a sizeable chunk will gladly swap passports. 

5 hours ago, vogie said:

Not only the Express or the Mail though is it.

 

 

 

Oh yes, that well known leftwing magazine, the Spectator. You are excelling yourself this week, Vogie! Keep this up and you are going to have to lend me your girdle. 

4 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Unfortunately, relying on statistical unsound, biased sources (almost) inevitably results in incorrect conclusions.

 

England's GDP per head is greater than Scotland's.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Scotland

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_England

 

I'd imagine that there are numerous other inaccuracies in your source's data.

 

 

 

Compare apples with apples please.

 

The English number is from 2019; the Scottish is from 2020 during the pandemic. Are there any more inaccuracies in your 'logic'?

8 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Oh yes, that well known leftwing magazine, the Spectator. You are excelling yourself this week, Vogie! Keep this up and you are going to have to lend me your girdle. 

Well can I present this as evidence, not sure how you'll spin or make excuses for this, but if anyone can RR can. ????????????

23 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

I really don't understand where you and @Rookiescotare coming from.

 

I have said nothing derogatory about either of you or the Scottish people. All I have done is speak factually and truthfully.

 

In return I have been called a coward, been accused of lying, not answering questions (even when I did), had my education questioned, been asked to divulge how I vote, been told that "my" country has done this and that and that "your" country has never done anything wrong or been given a chance......etc. All just to please yourselves even though what you accuse me of if false.

 

If I've said it once I've said it a dozen times...if Scotland wants independence then go for it and good luck. However, if they do go for it and Indyref2 has the same result as Indyref2 please don't come back here and blame anyone other than the Scottish electorate.

 

You had your chance in 2014 and blew it. If you don't get another chance then just accept it, it was your politicians that said "One opportunity" after all. If you do get a second chance then make sure you get it right. If it all goes wrong again the blame can only lay in one place.

As a Brit/Scot I agree .. If Jimmy Krankie manages to escape the traitors noose for the <deleted> against Salmond and has another vote ( Instead of the money being used to negate food banks .. Scum hypocritical Politicians).. Then remember it’s not Scottish oil it belongs also to England Wales and NIreland ... If you break away and the lawlessness and poverty kicks in then don’t go crying .. Just sell Scotland to highest bidder and hope you can find enough money to pay the border guards hahahaha ... Freedom .. Yeah right ... Independence for Mossend and River Calder <deleted>

27 minutes ago, vogie said:

Well can I present this as evidence, not sure how you'll spin or make excuses for this, but if anyone can RR can. ????????????

 

You still seem to fail to understand, which surprises me. I have explained it to you; Sandyf has explained it to you, Rookie has explained it to you; I think Phulublub has also explained it to you.

 

Independence is not the SNP. An independent Scotland is not going to based upon that which we have now. We want to break away from what we have now and create something better, something that works for everyone. The SNP is currently the most likely means of taking us there, but they are not the end goal. 

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

t's really shocking what's going on in Scotland now with the Sturgeon/Salmond saga. If this is the result of devolved powers then god help them if they ever left the UK and had full control over the country. Imagine the damage they could do in the decade or two before possibly being allowed into the EU. There would be nothing left for Brussels to take over. Would the EU even want what was left?

 

I see we are back to the 'too stupid' argument again, with a bit of t'too poor' thrown in for good measure.  

 

Interestingly, there are always reasons not leave, but never reasons to stay; that is a bit of a challenge though. 

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

You still seem to fail to understand, which surprises me. I have explained it to you; Sandyf has explained it to you, Rookie has explained it to you; I think Phulublub has also explained it to you.

 

Independence is not the SNP. An independent Scotland is not going to based upon that which we have now. We want to break away from what we have now and create something better, something that works for everyone. The SNP is currently the most likely means of taking us there, but they are not the end goal. 

Those posters you have mentioned have not explained anything to me, some have given their opinion and for some reason it has more bias than a crown green bowl. The SNP have lied to its followers and some chose not to believe it, as partitioning the UK is of more importance to them, the others must be gullible and believe anything that comes out of the corrupt party mouths, however that is the choice of the SNP and its followers. You must realise that independence is a lost cause, the Scots were losing interest even before the Sturgeon/Salmond Show. 

But I can understand you not wanting to discuss the ongoing saga and fall back on your recent modus operandi of the SNP are just a vehicle to get away from England. If the SNP was a vehicle it would be a broken down jalopy that lies (pun intended) in a scrapyard pretending to be a reliable Roller.

"Whoee ride me high, you aint going nowhere" ????????????

 

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Those posters you have mentioned have not explained anything to me, some have given their opinion and for some reason it has more bias than a crown green bowl. The SNP have lied to its followers and some chose not to believe it, as partitioning the UK is of more importance to them, the others must be gullible and believe anything that comes out of the corrupt party mouths, however that is the choice of the SNP and its followers. You must realise that independence is a lost cause, the Scots were losing interest even before the Sturgeon/Salmond Show. 

But I can understand you not wanting to discuss the ongoing saga and fall back on your recent modus operandi of the SNP are just a vehicle to get away from England. If the SNP was a vehicle it would be a broken down jalopy that lies (pun intended) in a scrapyard pretending to be a reliable Roller.

"Whoee ride me high, you aint going nowhere" ????????????

 

 

That's right - 22 polls in row showing that we want nothing to do with the rancid, corrupt politics of Westminster and the greedy selfishness of the Nasty Party, then one poll at the height of the most difficult period in recent SNP history - and the best the yoons can do is scrape 50/50! Oh man, I was actually a touch worried about how it was playing out but thankfully most people seem still see that being in the UK has been a disaster for Scotland all along, and the only way we can better our country is stop our neighbouring country for interfering as they do, and from looting our pockets.