Just now, PattayaJames said:

 

Holding a different view to you is not trolling.

 

 

If that view is based on fiction, then it is. Trump didn't get impeached for nothing.

10 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

If that view is based on fiction, then it is. Trump didn't get impeached for nothing.

 

That is your opinion. I disagree, as do plenty of others. 

 

However, your assertion that the "law and order" crowd, so against "defunding" the police, now want to ignore law and order. Is just false in regard to those who broke the law. 

 

I have seen no one arguing that they should not be dealt with appropriately according to the law,.

 

By all means show some evidence of what you are saying, if you have any.

 

 

55 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Misinformation again!

Trump did nothing wrong, and I don't see anyone calling for those that did not to be dealt with appropriately.

Trump did plenty wrong. Refusing to disabuse Qanon of its crazy notions. Lots of Q supporters were among the rioters at the Capitol. What he did is called gaslighting.

"Guthrie said to Trump that QAnon falsely alleges the existence of a satanic "deep state" apparatus that supports a child sex trafficking ring, but he said he couldn’t rely on her information to be fact. “I just don’t know about QAnon,” Trump said...

“What I do hear about it is they are strongly against pedophilia, and I agree with that.”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/10/15/town-hall-trump-refuses-condemn-conspiracy-group-qanon/3672293001/

 

42 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

That is your opinion. I disagree, as do plenty of others. 

 

However, your assertion that the "law and order" crowd, so against "defunding" the police, now want to ignore law and order. Is just false in regard to those who broke the law. 

 

I have seen no one arguing that they should not be dealt with appropriately according to the law,.

 

By all means show some evidence of what you are saying, if you have any.

 

 

Evidence has been shown to you many times. You deny, deflect, ignore. Boring.

10 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

I have not seen anyone arguing that there was no violence and no one did any wrong.

In fact nor have you.

I have seen posts claiming that most protesters did not know they were doing anything wrong by going inside the Capitol, because they could enter without resistance and even have been in some way welcomed.

2 hours ago, candide said:

I have seen posts claiming that most protesters did not know they were doing anything wrong by going inside the Capitol, because they could enter without resistance and even have been in some way welcomed.

I think they were emboldened by the 6 months of nonstop rioting and even the successful capturing and ruling of entire city blocks by the left such as in Seattle, and with Kamala saying to them she will pay bail.... was always going to end in tears.

 Unlike with the left violence, nobody says to not punish the capitol rioters if they were violent.

11 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

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 Unlike with the left violence, nobody says to not punish the capitol rioters if they were violent.

 

False assertion, many alleged left wing people have been charged and face prison time. I have read about 10,000 were arrested.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/27/americas-protest-crackdown-five-months-after-george-floyd-hundreds-face-trials-and-prison

 

 

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

 

False assertion, many alleged left wing people have been charged and face prison time. I have read about 10,000 were arrested.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/27/americas-protest-crackdown-five-months-after-george-floyd-hundreds-face-trials-and-prison

 

 

Sorry, i meant that everybody agrees the capitol rioters should be punished if they were violent. I was contrasting that with for eg Jerrold Nadler saying that the antifa rioters thats long violent and flamey spree could have inspired the rights actions in the capitol were just an ideology. Obviously downplaying and excusing them.

12 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Misinformation again!

Trump did nothing wrong, and I don't see anyone calling for those that did not to be dealt with appropriately.

I beg to differ trump incited a insurrection and attempted a coup that sir at the very least should see decades in prison in many countries the crime would be delt with even more severely in my opinion we are witnessing the death of the Republican Party real republicans stand for fiscal responsibility law and order and moral values the clown show you are seeing is is the opposite 

5 minutes ago, Tug said:

I beg to differ trump incited a insurrection and attempted a coup that sir at the very least should see decades in prison in many countries the crime would be delt with even more severely in my opinion we are witnessing the death of the Republican Party real republicans stand for fiscal responsibility law and order and moral values the clown show you are seeing is is the opposite 

Incited an insurrection by asking his followers to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard? Tough sell to all but the diehards there sir

49 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I think they were emboldened by the 6 months of nonstop rioting and even the successful capturing and ruling of entire city blocks by the left such as in Seattle, and with Kamala saying to them she will pay bail.... was always going to end in tears.

 Unlike with the left violence, nobody says to not punish the capitol rioters if they were violent.

So they stormed the Capitol in order to stop a fundamental constitutional process (stop the steal, lol), and It's not because Trump has been exciting them for months with fake claim? Instead it should be because of the bad influence of the BLM movement? ????????????????????

17 minutes ago, candide said:

So they stormed the Capitol in order to stop a fundamental constitutional process (stop the steal, lol), and It's not because Trump has been exciting them for months with fake claim? Instead it should be because of the bad influence of the BLM movement? ????????????????????

I think there was much confusion and conflicting info that led to tension. Fake claims from both sides. I voted Biden last november but have been troubled by events after the election day. I wanted a proper forensic analysis of a few contested counties to prove trump and the maga mob wrong, not just cases thrown out on standing issues and censorship hoping to silence their voices. I saw the Fulton video showing unobserved counting going on after the water leak that shut it down as per news reports. It made me uneasy. Trump will be back because ww can now never prove he was wrong

18 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I think there was much confusion and conflicting info that led to tension. Fake claims from both sides. I voted Biden last november but have been troubled by events after the election day. I wanted a proper forensic analysis of a few contested counties to prove trump and the maga mob wrong, not just cases thrown out on standing issues and censorship hoping to silence their voices. I saw the Fulton video showing unobserved counting going on after the water leak that shut it down as per news reports. It made me uneasy. Trump will be back because ww can now never prove he was wrong

You voted for Biden?  You sound very much like a Trump supporter trying to sound objective.  As usual, not very convincing. 

19 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I think there was much confusion and conflicting info that led to tension. Fake claims from both sides. I voted Biden last november but have been troubled by events after the election day. I wanted a proper forensic analysis of a few contested counties to prove trump and the maga mob wrong, not just cases thrown out on standing issues and censorship hoping to silence their voices. I saw the Fulton video showing unobserved counting going on after the water leak that shut it down as per news reports. It made me uneasy. Trump will be back because ww can now never prove he was wrong

I suspect you are being a little less than honest.  What are the fake claims from the not-for-Trump side?   Why, if you voted for Biden, would you be concerned about a proper forensic analysis of contested counties?  I suspect you know full well the MAGA mob doesn't care, they will never admit that they are wrong.  That's how conspiracies work.   Oh, and watching a video proves absolutely nothing.   

Every state certified their election.   In my home state, there were at least 3 full counts of the ballots.   The entire state has paper ballots so the recounts were of actual ballots, not some machine.  But it hasn't been enough, now there has to be two independent audits of the tabulation machines.   

 

Misinformation is misinformation no matter how you paint it.   

 

8 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

You voted for Biden?  You sound very much like a Trump supporter trying to sound objective.  As usual, not very convincing. 

My goodness, now we have closeted Trump supporters.  

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Incited an insurrection by asking his followers to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard? Tough sell to all but the diehards there sir

That is not what Trump and his sycophants did.  Don't post misinformation.  Trump was impeached for this.  Something congress would not have done had he not committed the crime.

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

by asking his followers to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard

 

One brief appeal during a speech lasting approx 90 minutes repeatedly and deliberately agitated and inflamed the crowd, including trump's claim he would march on the capital (an outrageous lie), plus months of false claims regarding the elections. i.e. if I lose it's a fake election. tens of millions of US nationals were conned by the equivalent of a witches trial i.e. you're innocent if you drown.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunking#:~:text=3 Modern use-,As a trial,when entering the Devil's service.

Trump can serve his second term in prison.

21 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Evidence has been shown to you many times. You deny, deflect, ignore. Boring.

 

In other words, you have nothing. 

of course there is no "hard" evidence, completely futile exercise ????

 

no conviction, he won that round ????

5 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

of course there is no "hard" evidence, completely futile exercise ????

 

no conviction, he won that round ????

You conclude that before the trial. Amazing.

19 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You conclude that before the trial. Amazing.

it's an easy one, TBH. You will have to be pretty dishonest with yourself if you don't see the BS on that impeachment

 

They simply have no case, everyone knows that, except the anti-Trump crowd

 

Trump is going to face far worse legal problems than impeachment, in the coming years

24 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You conclude that before the trial. Amazing.

That's what Mitch McConnell did last time.  The GOP is totally corrupt.  Sure glad they are falling apart.

 

But ya gotta love this!!!!

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trumps-entire-legal-team-041610892.html

 

Donald Trump's entire legal team quits week before impeachment trial: Sources

35 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

In other words, you have nothing. 

Just the truth.  Trump did something wrong.  Proof?  Impeachment.  Which isn't done for doing nothing. 

13 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

it's an easy one, TBH. You will have to be pretty dishonest with yourself if you don't see the BS on that impeachment

 

They simply have no case, everyone knows that, except the anti-Trump crowd

 

Trump is going to face far worse legal problems than impeachment, in the coming years

You have to be pretty biased if you don't see the BS with Trump and the GOP.  Even his lawyers see it.

51 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

it's an easy one, TBH. You will have to be pretty dishonest with yourself if you don't see the BS on that impeachment

 

They simply have no case, everyone knows that, except the anti-Trump crowd

 

Trump is going to face far worse legal problems than impeachment, in the coming years

Those BS will be handy for Donald representing himself after all his lawyers quit on him. He probably will open his defense with his favorite line that he is a stable genius and he know words no one even know. Lol. We do miss his words jambalaya. 

 

45 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Just the truth.  Trump did something wrong.  Proof?  Impeachment.  Which isn't done for doing nothing. 

 

Perhaps you do not understand that being accused of a crime is not proof of committing a crime. 

 

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38 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Perhaps you do not understand that being accused of a crime is not proof of committing a crime. 

 

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He has been charged not accused. World of difference in legality. it is a formal charge and the weight of the law if against him and force him to answer to the charges in the impeachment trial. 

 

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

That's what Mitch McConnell did last time.  The GOP is totally corrupt.  Sure glad they are falling apart.

 

But ya gotta love this!!!!

 

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trumps-entire-legal-team-041610892.html

 

Donald Trump's entire legal team quits week before impeachment trial: Sources

 

Irrelevant as senate republicans will vote on party lines. Republican's Oath to uphold the Constitution has been replaced by loyalty to trump, a complete corruption of honour to their nation by trump.

55 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Perhaps you do not understand that being accused of a crime is not proof of committing a crime. 

 

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Yet before trial you already state he is innocent.