UK asks EU for Brexit grace period extension to 2023, BBC reports

[brewsterbudgen]

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Again only your opinion, my opinion is that there won't be an EU to rejoin.

That may well be the case!  A federal Europe perhaps?

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

That may well be the case!  A federal Europe perhaps?

The amount of discord happening in the EU parliament at this moment in time, it's looking more like a feral Europe.

[candide]

46 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

So you're just parroting the articles which, by the way, emphasise my point, that the trade deals are not identical, as you highlighted - "substantially" and "broadly equivalent", would confirm.

 

 

Deflecting, as usual.

I am happy to parrot reliable sources and not get information out of my #$%^&!

The sources support my point which was that:

- the deals are similar or whatever you call them, broadly equivalent etc...

- they bring no additional benefit to the EU deal they roll over.

Edited February 5, 2021 by candide

[welovesundaysatspace]

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

So you're just parroting the articles

Too bad there’s no evidence to “parrot” for your unsubstantiated claims. 

 

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.

 

 

[Tofer]

21 hours ago, candide said:

the deals are similar or whatever you call them, broadly equivalent etc...

 

Correction - not what I call them, but what you're referenced articles call them.

 

21 hours ago, candide said:

they bring no additional benefit to the EU deal they roll over.

 

Time will tell...

 

However, I am again impressed by your powers to predict the future, since your claims, at this stage, little over one month since we fully parted company with the EU, are somewhat premature.

 

19 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Too bad there’s no evidence to “parrot” for your unsubstantiated claims. 

 

Your part answer to that one is provided in candide's post...

 

21 hours ago, candide said:

the articles which, by the way, emphasise my point, that the trade deals are not identical, as you highlighted - "substantially" and "broadly equivalent", would confirm.

 

Regarding the future predictions aspect, i.e. analysis of the new deals benefits, you're right - there is no evidence, and there isn't any to parrot. No serious commentator would commit to such a statement of future prediction, since they don't posses the crystal balls that the remainers are blessed with.

 

It wasn't me who stated....

 

21 hours ago, candide said:

they bring no additional benefit to the EU deal they roll over.

 

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by Tofer

[Tofer]

21 hours ago, candide said:

I am happy to parrot reliable sources and not get information out of my #$%^&!

 

Well bully for you, if you need a crutch then go ahead and feel free to use one... But, next time, I suggest, you read it first and make sure it supports your views.... ????

 

On the contrary, I don't need, or intend, to spend half my life trolling through the internet looking for something to convince anybody of my opinions, particularly a bunch of belligerent remainers with prejudiced views, since I rely on original thought and knowledge based upon serious news reports, not the fantasy of crystal ball gazing, or perceived expectations of instant gratification.

[ukrules]

On 2/3/2021 at 8:21 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Hang on a minute, whatever happened to the Brexiteer repost ‘we’re out, get over it’?

 

Don't assume for one minute that this isn't some kind of 'play' to expose on an international level the total lack of cooperation here, but force the EU to do it themselves.

 

Coming from Gove I would expect no less.

 

[candide]

2 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Well bully for you, if you need a crutch then go ahead and feel free to use one... But, next time, I suggest, you read it first and make sure it supports your views.... ????

 

On the contrary, I don't need, or intend, to spend half my life trolling through the internet looking for something to convince anybody of my opinions, particularly a bunch of belligerent remainers with prejudiced views, since I rely on original thought and knowledge based upon serious news reports, not the fantasy of crystal ball gazing, or perceived expectations of instant gratification.

Deflecting again.

[Rimmer]

Off topic post removed, topic is not about URSULA VON DER LEYEN and vaccine chaos

[candide]

3 hours ago, Tofer said:

 

Correction - not what I call them, but what you're referenced articles call them.

 

 

Time will tell...

 

However, I am again impressed by your powers to predict the future, since your claims, at this stage, little over one month since we fully parted company with the EU, are somewhat premature.

 

 

Your part answer to that one is provided in candide's post...

 

 

Regarding the future predictions aspect, i.e. analysis of the new deals benefits, you're right - there is no evidence, and there isn't any to parrot. No serious commentator would commit to such a statement of future prediction, since they don't posses the crystal balls that the remainers are blessed with.

 

It wasn't me who stated....

 

 

 

I never made any prediction. Read my post. My point is that, for the time being, there is no additional benefit as deals are similar rollover and continuity deals.

Future deals may be better or worse, but the current t ones don't bring any significant change, I.e. no additional benefits.

Edited February 6, 2021 by candide

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

The European Commission is at the service of the 27 nations. It screwed up the first supplies of the covid vaccine, that's a fact.

In return, protests and admonitions are flowing from all sides and nations are depriving it of a part of its confidence by entering into parallel supply contracts directly with Russian and Chinese producers.

I think this is a good thing which shows the freedom retained for each member country and the supervision exercised over EU officials. A questioning which should lead to a less formal and more responsive running.

This is why UVDL reacts vigorously and works (sometimes awkwardly) to recover his credit. Healthy reaction IMO.

His?

[vogie]

37 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

The European Commission is at the service of the 27 nations. It screwed up the first supplies of the covid vaccine, that's a fact.

In return, protests and admonitions are flowing from all sides and nations are depriving it of a part of its confidence by entering into parallel supply contracts directly with Russian and Chinese producers.

I think this is a good thing which shows the freedom retained for each member country and the supervision exercised over EU officials. A questioning which should lead to a less formal and more responsive running.

This is why UVDL reacts vigorously and works (sometimes awkwardly) to recover his credit. Healthy reaction IMO.

So basically if the individual nations had not been reliant on the mighty beaurocratic powerhouse that is the EU, and had been left to there to their own devices to arrange the procurement of these vaccines, most nations would be like little speedboats and not a big lumbering dinosaur of an empty oil tanker chugging away with a failed leader at the helm.

Brexit, you know it makes sense.

 

No further questions m'lud. ????????

Edited February 6, 2021 by vogie

[Surelynot]

11 minutes ago, vogie said:

So basically if the individual nations had not been reliant on the mighty beaurocratic powerhouse that is the EU, and had been left to there to their own devices to arrange the procurement of these vaccines, most nations would be like little speedboats and not a big lumbering dinosaur of an empty oil tanker chugging away with a failed leader at the helm.

Brexit, you know it makes sense.

 

No further questions m'lud. ????????

One swallow doesn't make a summer....

[vogie]

Just now, Surelynot said:

One swallow doesn't make a summer....

No but it can sure leave a bad mess and smell.

[bannork]

Civil servants knew the problems with the Irish sea border immediately after Johnson's announced lie in October 2019 that 'We in the UK can come out of the EU as one United Kingdom.'

They accurately predicted that the heaviest burden would fall on small businesses.

There are two solutions, imo:

1. The UK rejoins the Customs Union

2. Ireland reunites .

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-55952459

 

[Loiner]

On 2/5/2021 at 9:59 AM, candide said:

 

I am happy to parrot reliable sources and not get information out of my #$%^&!

The sources support my point which was that:

 

Your sources are about as reliable as the U.K. weather, and as you admit are only those which support your point. 

Even worse, your information is out of somebody else’s #$%^&!

[Loiner]

On 2/3/2021 at 1:21 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

Hang on a minute, whatever happened to the Brexiteer repost ‘we’re out, get over it’?

You clearly miss it, so let me resurrect for you:

”We’re out, get over it!”

 

And it’s getting better everyday. I can tell that because of the way Remainers are still moaning over the least little hiccup or minor complaint to the Grauniad. The EU posters are even more vituperative than they previously were too. Must be their pigeons coming home to roost, plus their sad realisation that the failing club is on its way out. 

[Sujo]

12 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You clearly miss it, so let me resurrect for you:

”We’re out, get over it!”

 

And it’s getting better everyday. I can tell that because of the way Remainers are still moaning over the least little hiccup or minor complaint to the Grauniad. The EU posters are even more vituperative than they previously were too. Must be their pigeons coming home to roost, plus their sad realisation that the failing club is on its way out. 

So there has been no issues?

[Surelynot]

1 minute ago, Sujo said:

So there has been no issues?

Teething issues, bumps in the road, minor setbacks (don't believe what industrialists are telling you...what do they know?)........bearing in mind full checks for NI don't start till...is it April?

[candide]

45 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Your sources are about as reliable as the U.K. weather, and as you admit are only those which support your point. 

Even worse, your information is out of somebody else’s #$%^&!

Why are they not reliable? Is it just an information coming from your #$%^&!?

 

If not, I.e. if you know reliable sources which contradict the fact that these deals are roll over and continuity deals with no significant differences with the previous EU deals, why don't you enlight us?

 

Same as with the poster to whom I replied, I won't hold my breath......

 

Edited February 6, 2021 by candide

[elliss]

On 2/3/2021 at 9:10 PM, vogie said:

In all fairness .

 

There is no  fairness in Politics . 555

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, Loiner said:

You clearly miss it, so let me resurrect for you:

”We’re out, get over it!”

 

And it’s getting better everyday. I can tell that because of the way Remainers are still moaning over the least little hiccup or minor complaint to the Grauniad. The EU posters are even more vituperative than they previously were too. Must be their pigeons coming home to roost, plus their sad realisation that the failing club is on its way out. 

Which probably explains the UK Government begging for an extension of grace.

 

Quit with your gaslighting, Brexit is a mess.

[oldhippy]

3 hours ago, Victornoir said:

The European Commission is at the service of the 27 nations. It screwed up the first supplies of the covid vaccine, that's a fact.

In return, protests and admonitions are flowing from all sides and nations are depriving it of a part of its confidence by entering into parallel supply contracts directly with Russian and Chinese producers.

I think this is a good thing which shows the freedom retained for each member country and the supervision exercised over EU officials. A questioning which should lead to a less formal and more responsive running.

This is why UVDL reacts vigorously and works (sometimes awkwardly) to recover his credit. Healthy reaction IMO.

What we need is a strong European government that can deal with all this nationalistic nonsense.

Without the UK and their rebates and exeptions that will be easier to achieve.

[Tofer]

15 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

What we need is a strong European government that can deal with all this nationalistic nonsense.

 

Good luck with that.... ????

[vogie]

16 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

What we need is a strong European government that can deal with all this nationalistic nonsense.

Without the UK and their rebates and exeptions that will be easier to achieve.

That might well be the case, but it looks like you might be getting the nationalists to deal with this weak European government. ????????????

[Tofer]

3 hours ago, candide said:

I never made any prediction. Read my post. My point is that, for the time being, there is no additional benefit as deals are similar rollover and continuity deals.

Future deals may be better or worse, but the current t ones don't bring any significant change, I.e. no additional benefits.

 

So, I miss quoted you with this one did I?

 

On 2/5/2021 at 4:59 PM, candide said:

they bring no additional benefit to the EU deal they roll over.

 

Then perhaps you should have inserted 'currently' as your second word in that sentence...., or maybe it was more of -

 

6 hours ago, Tofer said:

perceived expectations of instant gratification.

 

Which is it? Please make your mind up, you're confusing everyone.... 

 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Sujo said:

So there has been no issues?

A few minor hiccups. A lot of Remainer hysteria. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Why are they not reliable? Is it just an information coming from your #$%^&!?

 

If not, I.e. if you know reliable sources which contradict the fact that these deals are roll over and continuity deals with no significant differences with the previous EU deals, why don't you enlight us?

 

Same as with the poster to whom I replied, I won't hold my breath......

 

Please do hold your breath. I hold my reply and we’ll see who folds first. 

[candide]

On 2/5/2021 at 8:46 AM, candide said:

Nice to see you acknowledging that the EU trade deals have been designed taking into account UK's best interest! ????

 

Some deals may not be simply cut and paste (they are often shorter versions) but the content is not significantly different, and sometimes a bit worse (Japan deal). For the time being, freedom of negotiating agreements has not brought additional benefits. "Same same before"!

 

42 minutes ago, Tofer said:

 

So, I miss quoted you with this one did I?

 

 

Then perhaps you should have inserted 'currently' as your second word in that sentence...., or maybe it was more of -

 

 

Which is it? Please make your mind up, you're confusing everyone.... 

 

That was clear from the first post to which you replied.

"For the time being, freedom of negotiating agreements has not brought additional benefits"

 

Anyway, due to the succession of replies it may have been forgotten, it also sometimes happens to me.