3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

More deflection.

More hypocrisy. 

2 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

 

That's what I am asking. Where are you seeing this news? I see a noise on twitter and I see politicians try to exploit what is clearly an own goal by the FM, but you spoke of a trend in the polls. Where is that trend? 

 

I think most people continue to understand that independence is not the SNP, its freedom from Westminster and the hated Brexit disaster. 

Last poll I saw it was a slight majority for Union, but within the margin of error... so a toss-up...

9 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Perhaps I could point out that David555 made an equally grave allegation: that the accusations against Ms Sturgeon were a result of "English dark forces shxxt stirring"?

That is literally your interpretation as i did not mentioned Sturgeon .....nice try ???? ..... seems you recognize something they are trying to do ....." avoiding that referendum at any cost "

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Just count us as being all blind people and explain it simply.....Pleeeeeeease

 

You all are sure not blind .... just fearing that to happen  .... hence allt he fuzz now  , very understandable from U.K. English point of view , trying to keep your Union together at any cost ..... very understandable 

 

OK David555---I give up, you win,  your knowledge of British politics is far to deep for me to argue against---

 

& you still do not want to mention what country you are from David....

..........maybe understandable......

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Seems the English really shxxng their pants for that referendum ....putting their backroom dark forces at work ...

.

 

 

Are you suggesting that this debacle, the machiavellian drama that's unfolding in Scottish politics right now is somehow the fault of the English?

Just now, bkkcanuck8 said:

Last poll I saw it was a slight majority for Union, but within the margin of error... so a toss-up...

 

There is no doubt about it, this has been a terrible affair for which the SNP has nobody to blame but themselves. I don't think that anyone will come away from this smelling of roses, but I think that the killer blow everyone was expecting from Salmond last week failed to materialise and now the opposition is simply continuing to rake through the muck in an attempt to cause as much negative noise as possible. 

 

If the best that Westminster can muster during such a torrid period is 50% then I am hopeful that the independence movement will still be seen as more preferable to continuing this so called union. 

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Seems the English really shxxng their pants for that referendum ....putting their backroom dark forces at work ...

 

So are you saying that this woman has nothing to do with the political back stabbing and public humiliation of  the Salmond fellow? Are you saying that he has fabricated his story and that this Sturgeon is a "victim"?

Just now, sanuk711 said:

 

OK David555---I give up, you win,  your knowledge of British politics is far to deep for me to argue against---

 

& you still do not want to mention what country you are from David....

..........maybe understandable......

Many know from which country i am ,  but i know you are looking a way to deflect  on that  , like looking for a weak spot in my defense ..... by deflecting to that ,   really you can find tat easy by yourself , 

 

i am waiting  for the first deflection as soon you found , to get away from U.K.'s  Scotts problem on your heads ????

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

 

So are you saying that this woman has nothing to do with the political back stabbing and public humiliation of  the Salmond fellow? Are you saying that he has fabricated his story and that this Sturgeon is a "victim"?

I don't know ..... just waiting  future results and happenings , and being very curious about  it .....from a distance

Just now, RuamRudy said:

 

There is no doubt about it, this has been a terrible affair for which the SNP has nobody to blame but themselves. I don't think that anyone will come away from this smelling of roses, but I think that the killer blow everyone was expecting from Salmond last week failed to materialise and now the opposition is simply continuing to rake through the muck in an attempt to cause as much negative noise as possible. 

 

If the best that Westminster can muster during such a torrid period is 50% then I am hopeful that the independence movement will still be seen as more preferable to continuing this so called union. 

 

How could he muster anything when the SNP government  blocked him from  presenting text messages and other information that supported his claims?

True or False:  The Crown Office  rejected his requests to release the documentation and instead threatened him and any journalist who published the information  that divulging the contents was liable to prosecution, on the basis that the law forbids publication of information disclosed to an accused person in criminal proceedings.

If that is how the SNP will treat due process, then  the Scottish people had best think twice  about the totalitarian  group they would bring in with the SNP.

3 hours ago, david555 said:

Seems the English really shxxng their pants for that referendum ....putting their backroom dark forces at work ...

.

 

 

A pet dream of yours?

Just now, nauseus said:

 

A pet dream of yours?

A reality as i almost smell it here ...

Explains it well here.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9317999/Nicola-Sturgeon-facing-demands-RESIGN-Minister-Alex-Salmond-sex-abuse-case.html

 

And here but you need to pay

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/nicola-sturgeon-faces-crisis-vote-after-aides-evidence-backs-alex-salmond-zdt53njjj

 

Looks like she has been telling porkies. It will be an interesting week.

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

Sturgeon?

Salmon(d)?

They'll need someone else with a fish name to replace her.

 

 

 

How about Stonefish....poisonous enough to keep up traditions?

 

https://oceana.org/marine-life/ocean-fishes/stonefish

 

 

13 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

How could he muster anything when the SNP government  blocked him from  presenting text messages and other information that supported his claims?

True or False:  The Crown Office  rejected his requests to release the documentation and instead threatened him and any journalist who published the information  that divulging the contents was liable to prosecution, on the basis that the law forbids publication of information disclosed to an accused person in criminal proceedings.

If that is how the SNP will treat due process, then  the Scottish people had best think twice  about the totalitarian  group they would bring in with the SNP.

 

True - but this is the baseline case in Scots law. It was not implemented to thwart Salmond - if my memory serves me correctly, he actually made it law when he was FM.

 

But you seem to be confused between the separation of political party / legislature / judiciary. They are all very separate elements.  

48 minutes ago, david555 said:

That is literally your interpretation as i did not mentioned Sturgeon .....nice try ???? ..... seems you recognize something they are trying to do ....." avoiding that referendum at any cost "

Stop sniveling and trying to weasel out of it. You know what you said and were suggesting. Everybody here knows what you were suggesting. It is exactly what you are always suggesting.

 

One interpretation that many could be forgiven for making is that you are a biggotted anglophobe who cannot bear to pass the chance to take a pop at the English. Did an English pirate steal your lollipop when you were an infant?

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

Stop sniveling and trying to weasel out of it. You know what you said and were suggesting. Everybody here knows what you were suggesting. It is exactly what you are always suggesting.

 

One interpretation that many could be forgiven for making is that you are a biggotted anglophobe who cannot bear to pass the chance to take a pop at the English. Did an English pirate steal your lollipop when you were an infant?

 

I think you are being very unfair there. Any Brit who has travelled abroad must have surely heard so many times people talking of the English pound, the English government, the Queen of England etc. It is a common generalisation to conflate England and the UK - and not only amongst foreigners. To suggest that this was the result of anti-English prejudice or bigotry is ridiculous. It is simply playing the victim card. 

30 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I think you are being very unfair there. Any Brit who has travelled abroad must have surely heard so many times people talking of the English pound, the English government, the Queen of England etc. It is a common generalisation to conflate England and the UK - and not only amongst foreigners. To suggest that this was the result of anti-English prejudice or bigotry is ridiculous. It is simply playing the victim card. 

When you yourself refer to your neighbours as "parasitic" you sorta lose the moral high ground RR. He knows exactly what he is calling us just the same as you do.

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

When you yourself refer to your neighbours as "parasitic" you sorta lose the moral high ground RR. He knows exactly what he is calling us just the same as you do.

Can you show the context of my comment, vogie, or are you going to use your usual approach of twisting words to make yourself out to be a victim? But let's be honest, even if you weren't being disingenuous, you have no high ground whatsoever to stand upon, have you?

37 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I think you are being very unfair there. Any Brit who has travelled abroad must have surely heard so many times people talking of the English pound, the English government, the Queen of England etc. It is a common generalisation to conflate England and the UK - and not only amongst foreigners. To suggest that this was the result of anti-English prejudice or bigotry is ridiculous. It is simply playing the victim card. 

Funny you should mention English pounds, few years ago i left Shetland for a 3 week +++++++ holiday here, had a pocket full of Clydesdale bank 20 pound notes.

Oh stupid me, very little +++++++ happened as no bank or exchange kiosk would change the damned money, no cannot, no not real money, so think about that when prattling on about Scottish independence.

1 minute ago, colinneil said:

Funny you should mention English pounds, few years ago i left Shetland for a 3 week +++++++ holiday here, had a pocket full of Clydesdale bank 20 pound notes.

Oh stupid me, very little +++++++ happened as no bank or exchange kiosk would change the damned money, no cannot, no not real money, so think about that when prattling on about Scottish independence.

 

I cannot guarantee how long I will think about your post, but I assure you that I will give it at least a few more moment's thought while I try to figure our just how on earth this could ever be used as a credible argument against independence. 

Well I'm going out for lunch but we will find out later today what has happened hopefully.

If I had to guess I would put store in what Salmond keeps saying. He keeps accusing Sturgeon of a "Lack of leadership". At no point has he said anything like "Sturgeon tried to get me prosecuted".

So I suspect what has happened is others in or close to the Scottish government/SNP will be the ones holding the poisoned chalice.

Now either Sturgeon throws these people under a bus or she tries to protect them and shoulder some of the blame herself.

Either way I suspect her position is now so compromised she will have to resign.

 

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I cannot guarantee how long I will think about your post, but I assure you that I will give it at least a few more moment's thought while I try to figure our just how on earth this could ever be used as a credible argument against independence. 

Credible argument? Nobody outside of Scotland wants/ will accept Scottish bank notes, surely you and all other blinkered independence seekers  can see/ understand that.

19 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Can you show the context of my comment, vogie, or are you going to use your usual approach of twisting words to make yourself out to be a victim? But let's be honest, even if you weren't being disingenuous, you have no high ground whatsoever to stand upon, have you?

I don't twist words, that is your strength in all of the debates.

I can remember exactly what you said, but you would only twist it as you do with all your replies, so as the world champion darts player Jocky Wilson once said 'what's the point'.

 

1 hour ago, sanuk711 said:

If the person who led the independence movement for 20 years (before it became so fashionable) and was the mentor to Nicola Sturgeon, Was to take back over again how is that braking the movement. Why is England xxxxx their pants?

Not possible. Needs to be an MSP to become First minister. Hasn't been an MSP since 2016. Lost his seat in Westminster in 2017 and currently is the member of no parliament. Not even a member of a political party since his resignation from the SNP in 2018.

 

Also, the Scottish people are hardly likely to forget his role in the "Trump's golf course" debacle when Trump lost his planning application for putting a golf course on a SSSI and employed Salmond to get the decision overturned. A very dirty ex politician. No works for RT the government owned Russia Today.

 

A rival to Sturgeon? You're avin' a giraffe.

 

 

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

I don't twist words, that is your strength in all of the debates.

I can remember exactly what you said, but you would only twist it as you do with all your replies, so as the world champion darts player Jocky Wilson once said 'what the point'.

 

 

What's the point? It gives your comment credibility. When I contest that you are willfully misrepresenting the conversation, you could then demonstrate, beyond doubt, that I was incorrect in my protestation.

Just now, RuamRudy said:

 

What's the point? It gives your comment credibility. When I contest that you are willfully misrepresenting the conversation, you could then demonstrate, beyond doubt, that I was incorrect in my protestation.

Spin away. 

 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Rookiescot said:

Now either Sturgeon throws these people under a bus or she tries to protect them and shoulder some of the blame herself.

Either way I suspect her position is now so compromised she will have to resign.

My money is on her throwing them under the bus to save her own skin. She has form. She's not the type to accept blame when she can simply sack some loyal subordinate.

 

I dont believe she will resign but I hope I am wrong, for the sake of the Scottish people.

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Spin away. 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you - so your point is what? Scotland, as a country, has had its resources expropriated by its parasitic neighouring country. If you wish to take offence to that, you are perfectly entitled to take that position but it would be a ridiculous position to take. 

 

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

My money is on her throwing them under the bus to save her own skin. She has form. She's not the type to accept blame when she can simply sack some loyal subordinate.

 

I dont believe she will resign but I hope I am wrong, for the sake of the Scottish people.

 

Who do you think would make a better choice of FM? Is there a more honest, decent party that you think should replace the SNP?