Consequences of going under Bt400k in Thai bank on Non-O visa

[JeffersLos]

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

 

you wouldn't be wasting time asking how to repair a door handle or patch a hole in the wall

 

Man goes nuts on the internet. ???? ????????

 

If you didn't waste such time piddling about on the internet, maybe you could afford people to do meaningless legwork for you. ????

 

2 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

your

 

you're ???? (perhaps spending time studying 2nd Grade English might also be beneficial.) 

 

 

 

 

You're welcome. ????

[pablo el sueco]

12 hours ago, pablo el sueco said:

What action does Thailand Immigration take if one's bank account never drops below 800,000 thb, yet the subject fails to return for the presentation of the bank book at the required interval after extension?

I just re-read the slip in my passport directing me to appear.  The consequence is spelled out in no uncertain terms.  If I don't comply, I "must get a visa cancellation".  Now I understand how imperative it is to demand a written acknowledgment that I appeared and satisfied the requirement, otherwise Immigration can cancel my visa (which must equate to a cancellation of my extension of stay).

[Tanoshi]

6 hours ago, pablo el sueco said:

I just re-read the slip in my passport directing me to appear.  The consequence is spelled out in no uncertain terms.  If I don't comply, I "must get a visa cancellation".  Now I understand how imperative it is to demand a written acknowledgment that I appeared and satisfied the requirement, otherwise Immigration can cancel my visa (which must equate to a cancellation of my extension of stay).

They obviously mean cancel your extension of stay.

Your 'Visa' already expired a long time ago.

 

Thanks for sharing the notice.

[foreverlomsak]

16 hours ago, pablo el sueco said:

I just re-read the slip in my passport directing me to appear.  The consequence is spelled out in no uncertain terms.  If I don't comply, I "must get a visa cancellation".  Now I understand how imperative it is to demand a written acknowledgment that I appeared and satisfied the requirement, otherwise Immigration can cancel my visa (which must equate to a cancellation of my extension of stay).

Looks like what was stapled into my passport with my 1st annual extension by Nong Kwai back in 2006, the date on it agreed with my extension date.

[DrJack54]

51 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

Looks like what was stapled into my passport with my 1st annual extension by Nong Kwai back in 2006, the date on it agreed with my extension date.

Don't think so. Or maybe misunderstanding your post.

This nonsense slip was invented couple of years back when the money in bank method requirement changed to 'keep in bank the 800k for 3 months post issue of extension followed by not below 400k etc........'.

Fortunately only VERY few offices came up with the return after 3 months with cute little sticker posted above. 

Would love to read a post from someone that either forgot or just didn't report back after the 3 months (ie Jomtien) and had issue with obtaining next extension.

If there was issue you would simply do a change of address to office that doesn't serve up this rubbish (ie CW) and obtain your extension there.

[foreverlomsak]

13 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

This nonsense slip was invented couple of years back when the money in bank method requirement changed to 'keep in bank the 800k for 3 months post issue of extension followed by not below 400k etc........'.

Don't think so, if it was invented a couple of years back only for the 800K / 400K check, why does it mention Pension Certificate.

I think more likely somebody found this is the back of a drawer and decided good enough for the stupid foreigners.????

[pablo el sueco]

12 minutes ago, foreverlomsak said:

Don't think so, if it was invented a couple of years back only for the 800K / 400K check, why does it mention Pension Certificate

I believe DrJack54"s assessment -- that the slip is only two years old -- Is correct.  I believe the slip includes the mention of the Pension Certificate because one might have extended one's stay using the 800k in the bank method -- thus prompting the officer to want to see if you've maintained that balance for the required three months -- but the officer will accept a Pension Certificate as well, if you've dipped into your account bringing the balance under the minimum during the three months.

 

Apparently this slip was implemented without having been fully thought out.  First, there is the overkill factor of forcing the retiree to make more in-person visits during the year to prove something that will again be verified retrospectively when, at the end of the extended stay, one applies anew for an annual extension and must present a bank statement for the previous twelve months.  Second, as david555 reminded me in an earlier post, the 800,000 baht can fall to 400,000 baht after the 3 months are up; nevertheless, this slip specifically requires me to reappear at 6 months after extension and again verify 800,000 baht as I did after 3 months.  Why must I verify 800,000 baht for months 4-6 if 400,000 baht is the minimum?  And finally, ubonjoe in the third posting of this thread gave his opinion that should one's bank deposits fall below the required minimum, Immigration would not cancel the existing extension of stay; nevertheless, this slip states that one "must get a visa cancellation" for simply failing to appear on a specific date!

 

One final thought.  Last year, when I verified my 800,000 at the 3-month interval, the IO removed the slip that required me to appear from my passport and would give me no receipt that I actually appeared.  Why can't she just sign and date the slip and leave it in the passport to prevent some other overzealous IO from "cancelling my visa" because they thought I hadn't appeared?  So, today, a friend who will accompany me to do my 6-month verification will be my witness; and he will take a photo of me holding my dated queue slip as I await my appearance before the officer.

[foreverlomsak]

1 hour ago, pablo el sueco said:

the 800,000 baht can fall to 400,000 baht after the 3 months are up; nevertheless, this slip specifically requires me to reappear at 6 months after extension and again verify 800,000 baht as I did after 3 months.  Why must I verify 800,000 baht for months 4-6 if 400,000 baht is the minimum?  And finally, ubonjoe in the third posting of this thread gave his opinion that should one's bank deposits fall below the required minimum, Immigration would not cancel the existing extension of stay; nevertheless, this slip states that one "must get a visa cancellation" for simply failing to appear on a specific date!

That sums up to me that it wasn't a new custom form but one dredged up from history, that had a different purpose. Too many fatal errors.

[DerbyDan]

On 4/2/2021 at 10:52 PM, Peter Denis said:

Indeed, but it cannot be emphasized enough that you should NOT apply for your next extension when you know that you did not fully meet the financial requirements (even if it was only a tiny momentary lapse of a couple 100 THB for 1 day). 

Doing so, you would be at the mercy of the Imm Officer and it can have grave consequences (even resulting in being deported from Thailand with a 1-year ban).

 

That's nuts. Does the officer have any discretion in ridicioulous cases like that?

[Peter Denis]

57 minutes ago, DerbyDan said:

That's nuts. Does the officer have any discretion in ridiculous cases like that?

Yes, the Imm Officer handling your application has the discretion to waive breaches to certain (not all) requirements.  For minor breaches and certainly when based on misunderstanding of the applicant, a normal Imm Officer would let you go off the hook and either waive it or let you go to fix it (e.g. making a border run or engaging a Fixer Agent). 

But unfortunately there are also officers for which every day is a bad-hair day (luckily a small minority), that seem to enjoy the opportunity to make mr rich farang squirm.  And of course there is also a corrupt minority that would propose a 'brown envelope deal' to make the problem go away.

[Maestro]

Removed an off-toplc post.

[SantiSuk]

On 4/3/2021 at 7:13 PM, DrJack54 said:

Hour or two would hardly cover one way trip for some. Myself included. 

Jomtien and all the crackpot imm offices made up this return "rule".

Mind you in total total is very few offices. Perhaps 5or6 out of 75+ imm offices. 

Ridiculous. 

By 'return rule' do you mean that Jomtien require you to return on a day different to your next 90 Day report and show evidence that the 400k/800k is still in the account?

 

Sisaket Province IMO put a sticker in your passport at the extension visit saying your next 90 day report is on x-x-xxxx please bring your pass book showing evidence that the money is still there. I thought that was the national norm, but not much is a national norm it seems.

[ubonjoe]

4 minutes ago, SantiSuk said:

By 'return rule' do you mean that Jomtien require you to return on a day different to your next 90 Day report and show evidence that the 400k/800k is still in the account?

Yes

They have people return 90 days from the day you do the extension application. They like most offices don't reset the report date when you do a extension application.