Members experiences with declining libido. Best solutions.

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

All of my mates in their 70s tell me that they have sex every day. They are either a very special group or a bunch of liars.

Or before they wake up.

[xylophone]

8 hours ago, Polaky said:

Exercise

cruciferous Vegetables

Pumpkin Seeds

Pomegranate

Water Melon

Coconut Water

Fatty oily fish

Dark Chocolate

Avocado

Maca

Green Tea

Less Alcohol

repeat step 1 Exercise.

 

Great, that's dinner finished, now what's for afters?

[AndyFoxy]

Korean red ginseng extract (daily).

[Tropposurfer]

I can't speak specifically on your situation as I am not a doctor nor your personal physician.

I am 64, and of good athletic genes (very fortunate) with an ectomorphic body type. I have been both supremely long-term fit in my life and a semi-professional athlete at a high level so I know what being extremely fit, agile, flexible is. I also know deeply about addiction and being extremely 'deathly' sick.

I work at eating well i.e. I eat smaller meals, graze and snack and without being a food-Nazi I watch what goes into my mouth and how much of it.

To take care of the stress I put my body under exercise I also take vitamins, fish oil and eat things like tumeric, ginger, chilli, in my food, drink fresh water with delicious lime juice, ginseng, green tea and anything that is as natural as possible.

I eat lots of vegetables (3/4's of my plate is vegetables) and I often have no meat days which is easy to do in Thailand, fruit. 

I love but have little fried food (but love gai tod and a good fish n chips ???? too), and have cut down on carbohydrates and focus more on lean omega rich protein each days menu. This has strong efficacy for aging people as we need less carbs as our bodies 'slow' but more protein to compensate for the aging process and support the brain.

I eat red meat but certainly not every day. As we get older I was told me need less carbs and much more protein to support the body and brain in our aging process. I eat fresh fish and oily fish at least 4 times a week - Omega fatty acids are proven to slow the deterioration of our brain connections. 

I also believe in short interval training not long runs and long cycling. Short hard workout bursts build and support building of both muscle and neuromuscular connections (this is supported by solid science).

I still box and practice Muay Thai and swear by the focus it brings and the hard cardio workouts are superb for everything.

A fit man screws much better than an unfit man! Swim no matter what the weather and surf of course.

To support my post-workout recovery because I have low body fat (fat is eaten by the body once the sugars stored in the muscles are depleted) I drink a low whey (fat) protein drink with soy milk, and I go through a yearly cycle of (one needs to rest the body and organs from the regular intake of amino supplements) a teaspoon of amino acid - post-workouts (creatine). Amino acids are simply the building blocks of life and as we age we produce less of them and utilise them less efficiently too.

I train weights about 3 time a week. I don't life massive numbers but I always 'work to fail' in every set and I work with loads that I know I have trained with.

I too saw what was predicted to me in my early 50's i.e. a decline in upper body strength, a natural decline in testosterone, an increase of midsection body fat and yes a lowering of sexual drive and ability to perform more than maybe twice in one night (if I'm hot for the woman i am with) as I began to reach 60.

I consulted a very good naturopath, sports doctor as well as my GP in Aussie years back. I could have done what some guys I knew from the gym did that was to have testosterone injections regularly to counter the aging process and increase sexual drive and performance (injecting Testosterone has a very strong impact on the body and there is some evidence that this can do a lot of damage to the body).

You can get testosterone tablets and as far as I am ware taking an oral Testerone supplement has no deleterious effect.

I opted for Tribulus tablets (natural testosterone production stimulus).

I knew from before I got anywhere 50 that after 50 you need to exercise more/smarter/consistently than before 50 arrives.

Lowered Testosterone seems to have connections with mood lowering in middle age. 

I took up yoga at about age 40. Yoga gave me an insight into 'a holistic experience' of my entire body and its connections to my brain which I found to be truly profound and which cannot be measured by neuroscience and is somewhat of a mystery to modern science.

It undoubtedly increased my sexual energy aided by all the other forms of exercise I have undertaken which trigger the endocrine system to release good drugs in the body. Working the legs is a strong booster of testosterone production too so get into some good load bearing quad and hamstring work!

I too experienced the loss of neuro-connections to my legs at one stage due to a deteriorating hip from an injury of many years earlier which hindered my active routine.

I found yoga to be both gentle and extremely strenuous and how it covered every single sinew and neural pathway in my body beyond anything I had ever known, which is saying something given what I had known and trained in before. Yoga affords a focus on many things not the least of which is proprioception and balance which as we age deteriorated rapidly. I have better balance at 64 than I did in my chosen high balance ballistic sport in my twenties!

I ask a question of you; Have you ever met and seen a yogi or yogini who was unsteady on their feet? Even unto very old age? I haven't and I know many who practiced daily until the day they died. And they all were vital, mentally, physically, and sexually almost to the very end. So much so as to make western aging look very abnormal given the simple alternative of yoga practice.

I also believe in and practice the notion of 'learning' and fostering the lived experience of curiosity about everything (even that which pees me off). I think focusing the mind this way is of great help to stay 'sharp'. I make things with my hands, garden, study - even today and learn all the time about, and through these things. I also believe a yogic styled breath focussed meditation has helped me immensely. Oh! and a good belly laugh as much as possible helps a great deal in not aging too quickly. I don't exercise to stop aging but to enjoy the age I am and to prolong the quality as I age. Maybe a visit to the good falang hospital and a full blood work job and see what the doc says might be a good idea of you see yourself declining and don't understand why. 

[Elkski]

I like the last post very much.   

[digger70]

12 hours ago, clivebaxter said:

You can look forward to almost no sex by the time you are 70, what a relief it is!

Speak for yourself Old Fellow.   ????

[Destiny1990]

Try this :

MED3000 is a topical gel applied directly to the head (glans) of the penis for the treatment of male erectile dysfunction ("ED").

MED3000 is a unique formulation of DermaSys^® using volatile solvent components specifically tailored for the treatment of ED.

MED3000 is a treatment applied directly to the  head (glans) of the penis and massaged for 15 seconds. Patients or their partners can apply the gel directly to the man’s penis as part of foreplay. It is fast-acting (60% of patients had onset of their erection within 5-10 minutes) and easy to use helping to restore spontaneity and intimacy in the relationship whilst offering an excellent safety profile.

 

Edited April 14, 2021 by Destiny1990

[pacovl46]

With increasing age testosterone production gets lower. I suggest going to a doctor and have that checked out and maybe go on testosterone replacement therapy depending on the results. I hear that works wonders. 

[NancyL]

Has anyone noticed that the OP stated that his nerve endings don't seem to be as sensitive as they once were?  That he used to "scream like a baby" if boiling water accidently splashed on him.  (My 73 year old Hubby still does that!)  Sounds like he needs a good general health screening, especially for diabetes, including an A1C test which will show blood glucose history over several months.  I wonder if he's suffering from neuropathy.  

[rcuthbert]

11 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Try this :

MED3000 is a topical gel applied directly to the head (glans) of the penis for the treatment of male erectile dysfunction ("ED").

MED3000 is a unique formulation of DermaSys^® using volatile solvent components specifically tailored for the treatment of ED.

MED3000 is a treatment applied directly to the  head (glans) of the penis and massaged for 15 seconds. Patients or their partners can apply the gel directly to the man’s penis as part of foreplay. It is fast-acting (60% of patients had onset of their erection within 5-10 minutes) and easy to use helping to restore spontaneity and intimacy in the relationship whilst offering an excellent safety profile.

 

https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/the-erection-of-a-placebo

[TigerandDog]

16 hours ago, bobbin said:

Hang on.. seems that you are intent on warning all and sundry about the dangers of a natural hormone the all men (and women though less) produce..

 

The idea that TRT causes prostate cancer is well debunked several years already.. unless you are already suffering from prostate cancer. Which is why a PSA before starting is advised. If a 1 or less no problem. Concerns arise if 4 or more on the scale.

 

I wonder if you are aware though, that annual PSA is no longer recommended. Too many men frightened into surgery after a borderline diagnosis and then suffering impotence and often incontinence as well. Great. No sex and you keep peeing your pants.

Who says that an annual PSA is not recommended? That's BS as the PSA is the first indicator that cancer MAY be in the prostate. Also having high PSA doesn't always mean someone has prostate cancer. Men are only frightened into surgery after receiving their prostate biopsy results and those results are malignant, and the main reason for that is if the cancer spreads from the prostate to the lymph nodes and bones, then you will have a very short use by date. I think most men need to understand one very major thing, prostate cancer, as long as it remains localised in the prostate will NOT kill you. Death from prostate cancer is the result of it spreading beyond the prostate as aforementioned. Believe me I know this for a fact as that is what happened to me. My PSA was 3.8 so my GP recommended I have a biopsy as a precaution. My GP & Urologist were both of the opinion that the results would be benign.  My initial prostate biopsy came back as malignant. Had the radical prostatectomy. A 2nd biopsy is done as part of the surgical process to ascertain if the cancer has spread to the lymph nodes or not.  On my first visit to the Urologist after the surgery was given the bad news that the cancer had spread and I was given 3-5 years. That was in 2013. I was then referred to another urologist who specialised in radiation therapy and he said that if I had brachytherapy (radioactive pellets implanted to where the prostate used to be, this would slow down the spread of the cancer and could give me 10-15 years instead of the initial 3-5 years. He did stress that in his opinion that this treatment would not put me in remission. Decided to go with it any way. In 2015 had a PSA test here in Thailand and it was 0. Had to return to OZ for a short time in 2015 so went to my old GP and told her of the PSA result here. She did another one and the result of that was also 0. Had another biopsy and was advised that I was in remission, so I enjoy life and appreciate each extra day that I have survived thus far.

 

As for your comment bobbin re incontinence and impotence your implication is not entirely correct. Yes you have incontinence, but that lasts only a few months. The degree of impotence really depends on whether nerve sparing surgery was done and the age of the patient. I was 63 when I had my surgery and the urologist made several points very clear to me with regards to impotence. 1. At my age the nerves, even though slightly damaged during the surgery, will take anywhere from 2 - 7 years to heal. 2. There will be no more semen, so ejaculation will be dry. 3. Ejaculation will be far more intense as a result.  So with all this in mind it was play a waiting game for things to return to some degree of functionality. 

 

In closing let me say that as a prostate cancer survivor if anyone has any questions about prostate cancer feel free to pm me. Anyone wasting my time with nonsensical questions and the basic stupidity that numerous members of this forum portray on a daily basis will be reported to the moderators.

[wavodavo]

3 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

hmmmm.never tried the ants...been sampling the Graku tablets lately...the usual flush but bad heartburn! ????

Did you know that Graku tabs that are sold as natural and herbal are not exactly that ? An internet search reveals that the FDA have put out are warning that they actually contain Viagra and Cialis. Thats ok, but some people cannot take these drugs safely and should be careful.

[bobbin]

4 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

Who says that an annual PSA is not recommended? That's BS as the PSA is the first indicator that cancer MAY be in the prostate. Also having high PSA doesn't always mean someone has prostate cancer. Men are only frightened into surgery after receiving their prostate biopsy results and those results are malignant, and the main reason for that is if the cancer spreads from the prostate to the lymph nodes and bones, then you will have a very short use by date. I think most men need to understand one very major thing, prostate cancer, as long as it remains localised in the prostate will NOT kill you. Death from prostate cancer is the result of it spreading beyond the prostate as aforementioned. Believe me I know this for a fact as that is what happened to me. My PSA was 3.8 so my GP recommended I have a biopsy as a precaution. My GP & Urologist were both of the opinion that the results would be benign.  My initial prostate biopsy came back as malignant. Had the radical prostatectomy. A 2nd biopsy is done as part of the surgical process to ascertain if the cancer has spread to the lymph nodes or not.  On my first visit to the Urologist after the surgery was given the bad news that the cancer had spread and I was given 3-5 years. That was in 2013. I was then referred to another urologist who specialised in radiation therapy and he said that if I had brachytherapy (radioactive pellets implanted to where the prostate used to be, this would slow down the spread of the cancer and could give me 10-15 years instead of the initial 3-5 years. He did stress that in his opinion that this treatment would not put me in remission. Decided to go with it any way. In 2015 had a PSA test here in Thailand and it was 0. Had to return to OZ for a short time in 2015 so went to my old GP and told her of the PSA result here. She did another one and the result of that was also 0. Had another biopsy and was advised that I was in remission, so I enjoy life and appreciate each extra day that I have survived thus far.

 

As for your comment bobbin re incontinence and impotence your implication is not entirely correct. Yes you have incontinence, but that lasts only a few months. The degree of impotence really depends on whether nerve sparing surgery was done and the age of the patient. I was 63 when I had my surgery and the urologist made several points very clear to me with regards to impotence. 1. At my age the nerves, even though slightly damaged during the surgery, will take anywhere from 2 - 7 years to heal. 2. There will be no more semen, so ejaculation will be dry. 3. Ejaculation will be far more intense as a result.  So with all this in mind it was play a waiting game for things to return to some degree of functionality. 

 

In closing let me say that as a prostate cancer survivor if anyone has any questions about prostate cancer feel free to pm me. Anyone wasting my time with nonsensical questions and the basic stupidity that numerous members of this forum portray on a daily basis will be reported to the moderators.

I respect the fact that you are speaking from personal experience, as well as the fact that a PSA test was the factor that alerted to the situation.

 

A friend of mine had "nerve-sparing" surgery 20 years ago. No erections since, and I would be reluctant to ask about incontinence.

 

You ask who says an annual PSA is no longer recommended.. You are well-spoken enough to have mastered Google search I'm sure.. I clearly remember the articles. British Lancet? The new strategy is "watchful waiting" in borderline scenarios, on Doctor's agreement.

 

All men, if they live long enough. will suffer prostate cancer. It most likely will not be the cause of death. other more immediate medical problems, or advanced old age, will be the cause.

 

I hope my reply is respectful enough to avoid being reported to Moderation, but that is up to you. I am not posting misinformation and stand by my initial statements.

[bobbin]

To clarify, I"m referring to annual PSA testing for all men over 50 years of age.

[TigerandDog]

17 hours ago, bobbin said:

I respect the fact that you are speaking from personal experience, as well as the fact that a PSA test was the factor that alerted to the situation.

 

A friend of mine had "nerve-sparing" surgery 20 years ago. No erections since, and I would be reluctant to ask about incontinence.

 

You ask who says an annual PSA is no longer recommended.. You are well-spoken enough to have mastered Google search I'm sure.. I clearly remember the articles. British Lancet? The new strategy is "watchful waiting" in borderline scenarios, on Doctor's agreement.

 

All men, if they live long enough. will suffer prostate cancer. It most likely will not be the cause of death. other more immediate medical problems, or advanced old age, will be the cause.

 

I hope my reply is respectful enough to avoid being reported to Moderation, but that is up to you. I am not posting misinformation and stand by my initial statements.

I agree with everything you've said except the part about PSA testing. You see the thing that those articles have not taken into account is this. How do you know if you are borderline or not if you DON'T have an annual PSA test. The only other medical way to determine this is the digital examination, and all that is going to do is identify if the prostate is enlarged. If it is then the next step is a PSA test. Generally speaking the "watchful waiting" is the practice AFTER you've had  a prostate biopsy and the result is benign. I have several friends back in Oz that are currently monitoring things as "watchful waiting" but only because their biopsy was benign. However, that being said their doctors are still requiring annual PSA tests. I have a friend here in Thailand whose last PSA test was 12 (top of normal range is 4), and he is also just monitoring things as he was also benign. So while "watchful waiting" is becoming more the normal strategy, it does still require PSA tests to be done as part of that strategy.

[edwarda909]

On 4/14/2021 at 5:16 PM, madmen said:

Bueta superba. It's made here in Thailand and some chemist's stock it , can't speak highly enough 

It's a herbal supplement but open the bottle and the pungent odor let's you know it's good <deleted>. 

 

Is there a Thai name for this>. What specific store did you purchase?  TIA

 

[bobbin]

2 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

I agree with everything you've said except the part about PSA testing. You see the thing that those articles have not taken into account is this. How do you know if you are borderline or not if you DON'T have an annual PSA test. The only other medical way to determine this is the digital examination, and all that is going to do is identify if the prostate is enlarged. If it is then the next step is a PSA test. Generally speaking the "watchful waiting" is the practice AFTER you've had  a prostate biopsy and the result is benign. I have several friends back in Oz that are currently monitoring things as "watchful waiting" but only because their biopsy was benign. However, that being said their doctors are still requiring annual PSA tests. I have a friend here in Thailand whose last PSA test was 12 (top of normal range is 4), and he is also just monitoring things as he was also benign. So while "watchful waiting" is becoming more the normal strategy, it does still require PSA tests to be done as part of that strategy.

Yes. I understand what you are saying..

 

Sometimes certain points get lost.. see my clarification above.

 

I should have been more clear. It makes sense to have a PSA upon reaching 50 years of age.

 

if that gives a result of 1 or even perhaps 2, then annual test is not necessary.

 

Obviously, someone under treatment for prostate cancer should continue to monitor with regular PSA testing. My other point was in reference to men with results of 4-6. Too many of those men are frightened into surgery, when "watchful waiting" is a preferable strategy. This would include PSA testing. This was the impetus for the recommendation I noted..

[madmen]

1 hour ago, edwarda909 said:

Is there a Thai name for this>. What specific store did you purchase?  TIA

 

No thai name, in English because they export it. I think the chemist is called fasciano or something but it towards the end of South Pattaya Rd towards second Rd accross from the temple  they have it assuming your In Pattaya but Bangkok sells them as well

 

Edited April 16, 2021 by madmen

[Olmate]

8 minutes ago, madmen said:

No thai name, in English because they export it. I think the chemist is called fasciano or something but it towards the end of South Pattaya Rd towards second Rd accross from the temple  they have it assuming your In Pattaya but Bangkok sells them as well

 

It’s derived from a root plant ,you  can’t go wrong.

[internationalism]

kwao krua deng (red - as  there is also kwao krua white, for ladies, pueraria mirifica).

at chinese herbal shops around 500b for 500g powder 

[HeijoshinCool]

On 4/14/2021 at 7:08 AM, 1FinickyOne said:

It is possible to do both...

 

 

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Hopefully not at the same time....

[connda]

I don't mean to be cheeky, but it is just a port of normal aging.
Then, what do you actually mean by libido? 
Most guys complain about not being able to get the hydraulics to function or to squirt as far. That's pretty much physical. That's just aging manifesting as problems with your circulation and urinary systems respectively. 

Libido is psycho-physiological.  How horny do you get and how often to you seek to satisfy that urge.  Testosterone, DHT, DHEA, and other sex hormone decrease with age but you may experience a mental aspect to it too.  For a guy pushing 70 I consider my hydraulics to be bothersome: 4am, 6am 8am - "Hey soldier!  Stand at ease!!!  Dismissed!" (i.e., , they work as good as they did 20 years ago which may have something to do with having been very athletic most of my life) and my testosterone values including free T are above average for my age and estradiol is low average.  But - I really am tired of the mating game.  Been there, done that, I still enjoy and appreciate "eye candy", but I don't feel much like acting on urges.  I feel no pressure to have sex and my post-menopausal wife isn't exactly a sex goddess.  
Honestly - low libido is a kindness.  It leaves time and energy for other endeavors and hobbies. 

Recommendations:  Find a blood lab and get tested: Testosterone, SHBG, DHT, DHEA, estradiol, and PSA while your at it.  If you are outside of normal ranges go consult an endocrinologist.  Other than that?  Relax.  Enjoy aging. 

[connda]

On 4/14/2021 at 2:24 PM, Pedrogaz said:

All of my mates in their 70s tell me that they have sex every day. They are either a very special group or a bunch of liars.

That's ok.  All my mates when we were teens told me they didn't masturbate.  Same phenomenon, different age range.  ????

[Excel]

1 minute ago, connda said:

That's ok.  All my mates when we were teens told me they didn't masturbate.  Same phenomenon, different age range.  ????

And some were blind at 18 I guess ? ????????????????

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

I agree with Nancy. Not feeling hot water on your hands is odd. 
 

My hands have become much more sensitive to heat as I have gotten older. 
 

Dude needs to see a doctor...

[connda]

On 4/14/2021 at 5:16 PM, madmen said:

Bueta superba. It's made here in Thailand and some chemist's stock it , can't speak highly enough 

It's a herbal supplement but open the bottle and the pungent odor let's you know it's good <deleted>. 

 

And Tongkat Ali.  Look it up.  Used to grow throughout SE Asia but is pretty much an Indonesian plant nowadays. 

[connda]

On 4/14/2021 at 9:20 PM, NancyL said:

Has anyone noticed that the OP stated that his nerve endings don't seem to be as sensitive as they once were?  That he used to "scream like a baby" if boiling water accidently splashed on him.  (My 73 year old Hubby still does that!)  Sounds like he needs a good general health screening, especially for diabetes, including an A1C test which will show blood glucose history over several months.  I wonder if he's suffering from neuropathy.  

Nice catch.  You've got a point there.

[connda]

10 minutes ago, Excel said:

And some were blind at 18 I guess ? ????????????????

Hairy palms, or so said the parish priest. 

[Mister Fixit]

On 4/14/2021 at 9:50 AM, Pilotman said:

and watch prostate cancer kill you instead. 

 

Hasn't killed me yet and I've been on it 16 years.  You sound like my rubbish GP in the UK who said the same thing to me and refused the shots, but only gave me 2 years if I had them elsewhere. 

He was a complete pillock at the best of times and about as useful as a chocolate teapot.   Glad to be rid of him.

Edited April 16, 2021 by Mister Fixit

[BritManToo]

On 4/14/2021 at 9:52 AM, Sticky Rice Balls said:

I just had a test for my enlarged prostate--man they went down in with a camera right into the ole frank n furter!

 

I didnt even notice the nurse chatting me up as she shot some gel down there and clamped my "long fellow"--wait..what?!

 

Then the doc plunged that thing in and im face to face with my bladder and prostate..mono v mono...my mortal enemy!

 

So its meds(not much help)..stents(temp fix) or a reduction-scaling-laser zap...but he tells me my sex life is pretty much over...sigh

 

Anybody been thru this as its kinda related and im kinda in the same boat...is like the last remaining source of joy during this past year..

 

Oh the Huge Manatee!!! (humanity)......maybe this is why some of the thai gals like the grandpas...a pension and no boom boom for teerak!

I didn't have any of the silliness with the camera.

Walked into the emergency dept of the local government hospital, "I can't wee"

Doctor said, 'you've got BPH', all they gave me was a PSA test to see if it was likely to be cancer (it wasn't)

Catheter shoved up for a month and a bag of pills, until I could wee again.

Been taking the pills for 2 years now, doesn't seem to have got any worse, after the initial recovery.

Costs about 100bht/month in all. 

 

Sex life same as it was before the illness, 2-3x a week.

Don't understand why your sex life would be over?

Edited April 16, 2021 by BritManToo