Thailand reports 1,458 new COVID-19 cases, 2 new deaths

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Daily updates from the Ministry of Health showing Thailand's standing versus world countries and its Asian regional peer countries ranked by total numbers of reported COVID cases. With today's' new cases report, Thailand moved up one spot to now rank 106th among world countries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Swimfan]

8 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I guess none had any symptoms (asymptomatic) as they were in no hurry to get tested.

Incubation period can be up to 14 days. Nothing states they were asymptomatic. They were told he would be moved to hospital for isolation as hospital stated. They waited for days and the said help never arrived. What chance did they all have ? 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The government's daily English language televised COVID briefing can be seen here:

 

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40000035

 

The 35-plus-page set of slides presented by the MoPH at their morning briefing can be found here:

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/309987213952943

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/posts/4188368281186554

 

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10157961907777050

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Pattaya Spotter]

7 minutes ago, Swimfan said:

Incubation period can be up to 14 days. Nothing states they were asymptomatic. They were told he would be moved to hospital for isolation as hospital stated. They waited for days and the said help never arrived. What chance did they all have ? 

Yes the incubation period is UP TO 14 days but the vast majority of infected people will show symptoms 3-4 days after infection (if symptomatic). I used my deductive superpowers to figure out that if the entire family waited around for 3 days before scurring off to a hospital to be tested they weren't all struggling to breathe or suffering from raging fevers.

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Some very reasonable and practical advice there at the end...basically what I've been saying all along.

[smedly]

58 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

I believe this is now 3 days in a row of stable case numbers at around 1500 new infections, which is down from the recent highs of about 1800 a week or so ago. It's good to see their continues to be no sign of an exponential increase in cases from all the travel and Songkran gatherings.

how many tests did they do ??????

 

I'm going to guess you have a business in Pattaya that has currently been forced to close and you would buy into any <deleted> you are fed to get it opened again ASAP

 

If I said they tested 5000 people to find 1458 infections would that mean anything to you ?

 

What it would mean to me is if they tested 50,000 people in one day they would find 14,580 infections, currently they are not releasing the critical data of how many tests they did to find these infected people so the number is useless

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

New restrictions not doing enough to stem third wave, senior doctor says

 

The new Covid-19 restrictions introduced by the government on Friday are not doing enough to stem the tide of new infections, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Wednesday.

...

The country is seeing over 1,000 cases per day making the third-wave of the pandemic the most severe yet with multiple hot-spots breaking out throughout the country.

...

“It is like trying to put out a dumpster fire with a water bottle,” a public health expert at Chulalongkorn University told Thai Enquirer on the condition of anonymity.

 

(more)

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/26569/new-restrictions-not-doing-enough-to-stem-third-wave-senior-doctor-says/

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

"Owing to a rumor that COVID-19 Rapid Tests are being sold online and that the public can buy them and test themselves at home, the Department of Medical Sciences has clarified that the test kit is a test for antibodies only; it cannot detect the virus or indicate if the user is infected with the virus.

 

The rapid tester should be used and the results interpreted only by specialists or medical technicians. If home users get a negative reading in the result, they might think they do not have the virus and then unintentionally spread the virus to others.

 

So the department has warned the public not to buy the COVID-19 Rapid Test and use it themselves."

 

https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/posts/4190961044260611

 

[Nismooo]

8 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

New restrictions not doing enough to stem third wave, senior doctor says

 

The new Covid-19 restrictions introduced by the government on Friday are not doing enough to stem the tide of new infections, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Wednesday.

...

The country is seeing over 1,000 cases per day making the third-wave of the pandemic the most severe yet with multiple hot-spots breaking out throughout the country.

...

“It is like trying to put out a dumpster fire with a water bottle,” a public health expert at Chulalongkorn University told Thai Enquirer on the condition of anonymity.

 

(more)

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/26569/new-restrictions-not-doing-enough-to-stem-third-wave-senior-doctor-says/

 

 

While my first instinct to this was sarcasm, i do think it is good that at least someone admits it. 

[Excel]

19 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/posts/4188368281186554

 

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10157961907777050

 

Loss of taste or smell was also a symptom  but that has not been included here - strange

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-and-loss-of-taste

[Petey11]

If the numbers are stable, odds on testing numbers are stable. If clear figures were published of number of people tested on a certain day and number of positives from those tests taken on that day, you could then judge better the true state of spread. Infections been reported today could be from tests taken 4-5 days ago.

[ThailandRyan]

46 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

A government spokesman said Wednesday Thai health officials will be investigating reports that Thai medical staff suffered blood clots and stroke-like symptoms after receiving doses of the Sinovac COVID vaccine.

 

Six medics suffer blood clots, paralysis after Sinovac vaccination

 

Six medical staff in Rayong and one in Chonburi’s Queen Savang Vadhana Memorial Hospital suffered paralysis after receiving Sinovac vaccine jabs, a health official said on Tuesday.

 

ll six staff recovered after being given drugs to dissolve blood clots in the brain, said Dr Thiravat Hemachudha, chief of Chulalongkorn University's Centre for Emerging Infectious Diseases.

 

Health authorities suspect the blood clots were caused by a contaminated vaccine batch rather than the actual vaccine itself.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40000035

 

This now makes the third vaccine that has caused blood clots in vaccinated folks.  To say it was from a contaminated vaccine makes absolutely no sense to me unless their is not a firm secure location the vaccines are being stored at under security.  It is my understanding that quality control is of the utmost for safety, that's according to the good PM himself when it comes to why the vaccine rollout is moving the way it is.  A contaminated vaccine lot needs to be researched and the vials themselves inspected to ensure there was no tampering.  Let me guess, those vials after use were disposed of instead of being stored in containers just as a precaution since these vaccines are emergency vaccines that are not tried and true after being tested and used for a number of years.  Hoping this is not a continued pattern, AZ, J&J, now Sinovac each one an inactive virus/Adenovirus vaccine and not an MRNA vaccine like Moderna and Pfizer.  Lets hope the issue with Sinovac is determined before it gets sidelined and Thailand's vaccination rollout stalls completely.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

This now makes the third vaccine that has caused blood clots in vaccinated folks.  To say it was from a contaminated vaccine makes absolutely no sense to me unless their is not a firm secure location the vaccines are being stored at under security.  It is my understanding that quality control is of the utmost for safety, that's according to the good PM himself when it comes to why the vaccine rollout is moving the way it is.  A contaminated vaccine lot needs to be researched and the vials themselves inspected to ensure there was no tampering.  Let me guess, those vials after use were disposed of instead of being stored in containers just as a precaution since these vaccines are emergency vaccines that are not tried and true after being tested and used for a number of years.  Hoping this is not a continued pattern, AZ, J&J, now Sinovac each one an inactive virus/Adenovirus vaccine and not an MRNA vaccine like Moderna and Pfizer.  Lets hope the issue with Sinovac is determined before it gets sidelined and Thailand's vaccination rollout stalls completely.

The reason we are aware of the rare problem in AZ and J&J is because of transparent reporting and data. China who must of by now administered hundreds of millions of doses of Sinovac to its population should also give some data on serious adverse reactions. Of course we know that won't happen............

[Pattaya Spotter]

27 minutes ago, smedly said:

how many tests did they do ??????

 

I'm going to guess you have a business in Pattaya that has currently been forced to close and you would buy into any <deleted> you are fed to get it opened again ASAP

 

If I said they tested 5000 people to find 1458 infections would that mean anything to you ?

 

What it would mean to me is if they tested 50,000 people in one day they would find 14,580 infections, currently they are not releasing the critical data of how many tests they did to find these infected people so the number is useless

If you read the graph posted above by another member, on April 18 they tested 18,000 people and had about 1700 positives...so extrapolating that out, if they tested 56,000 people, more than your 50k, they would find about 5100 cases or one-third of your estimated 15,000 or so infections. But to people who are suspicious like you, you'll just say the 18k tests and 1700 positives are fake numbers as well.

 

And if it makes any difference, I've been in Phuket the past two months scuba diving and I definitely don't have any business in Pattaya I need to re-open.

[DLock]

...and those 74 in BKK that tested positive and went home to isolate instead of mandatory hospitalisation...are they included in todays (or tomorrows) numbers...

 

...if they don't get a grasp on people who refuse to go into hospital, it could get away from them.

 

My faith in people voluntarily staying home to self isolate, is not very high...adding to a further risk to the people that are feeling sick but refuse a test so they don't have to go into a field hospital.

[Pattaya Spotter]

28 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

"Owing to a rumor that COVID-19 Rapid Tests are being sold online and that the public can buy them and test themselves at home, the Department of Medical Sciences has clarified that the test kit is a test for antibodies only; it cannot detect the virus or indicate if the user is infected with the virus.

 

The rapid tester should be used and the results interpreted only by specialists or medical technicians. If home users get a negative reading in the result, they might think they do not have the virus and then unintentionally spread the virus to others.

 

So the department has warned the public not to buy the COVID-19 Rapid Test and use it themselves."

 

https://www.facebook.com/thailandprd/posts/4190961044260611

 

If these are the antigen rapid tests, there are indeed problems with them as they can return both false positive and false negative reports. A lot of their efficacy comes from proper test administration and sample collection, which is difficult for untrained people to do for themselves at home. The medical setting PCR test is the "gold standard" of SARS-CoV-2 tests.

Edited April 21, 2021 by Pattaya Spotter

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Government officials on Wednesday continued to insist the country has enough available hospital and alternate facilities to care for its growing population of COVID cases, mostly thus far among younger people, the majority of whom are showing little to no visible symptoms.

 

Under a government policy that requires hospitalization or similar for anyone testing positive for COVID, that population reached 17,162 nationwide on Wednesday, a total that has roughly doubled over the past week as new cases far outstripped recoveries.

 

A government spokesman admitted Wednesday that a series of government telephone hotlines set up for people who have tested positive for COVID to seek hospital bed assignments from the government have been "overwhelmed."

 

A summary of today's government COVID briefing noted: "With the hotlines 1668, 1669 and 1330 being overwhelmed with a large number of people requesting for beds, the government created another channel for COVID-19 infected patients to find beds through LINE application by adding LINE account @sabaideebot"

 

Thus far, government officials have called the continuing reports of Thai citizens with positive COVID tests facing days long waits before they can be assigned a hospital bed "a beds management issue," not due to a shortage of supply. But it remained somewhat unclear just what was being done to remedy those issues.

 

 

https://pmdscully.files.wordpress.com/2021/04/dashboard-covid-19-thailand_april21st2021_pm-1.pdf

 

 

 

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Guderian]

So far Thailand has managed to give at least one shot of a vaccine to a little over 1% of its population. When did they start, wasn't it around two months ago, in February? At this rate, they should have vaccinated enough people to achieve herd immunity in around 12 years time, assuming that nobody ever needs a booster shot during that period.

 

It's a truly dismal performance for a country with a fairly good public medical system and some excellent private hospitals. I don't think you can blame the hospitals as such, it seems that the government has centralised all vaccine procurement, in spite of telling private hospitals that they could buy millions of doses. The fault for this fiasco lies fairly and squarely with the government and, in particular, its resident Clown Prince the health minister, Anutin "dirty farangs" Charnvirakul. The failure is also shared by Prayut, though, he must know full-well what a sad and ineffective creature he appointed as health minister, and should have acted accordingly over the vaccine programme by getting somebody with more than half a brain to run it, and sent Anutin back home to run his construction business.

 

As they might say in the Eurovision song contest: Thailande - null points

[Deli]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Daily COVID vaccines issued report, with Thailand's vaccination rate now reaching about 1 percent of the country's approximate 70 million population.

 

 

The new doses numbers for the most recent day are listed below, reflecting first and second shot dose subtotals:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/thaimoph/posts/292075922402318

 

 

 

Fantastic performance ! Definitely not...

[smedly]

15 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

But to people who are suspicious like you, you'll just say the 18k tests and 1700 positives are fake numbers as well.

 

Actually I won't, that is the first time I have seen actual test figures 

 

With a population of 70million people (similar to the UK) just how many should they be testing, here is the data for one day in the UK - a country that has a handle on things, and the Vaccine rollout is also world beating  - see any difference from Thailand ???

 

 

UK Data 

 

 

Testing
Virus tests conducted
Latest data provided on 19 April 2021

Daily
1,041,368
Last 7 days
6,720,129arrow 871,720 (14.9%)

 

 

Cases
People tested positive
Latest data provided on 20 April 2021

Daily
2,524
Last 7 days
17,334arrow -1,968 (-10.2%)
Rate per 100,000 people:  26.1

Deaths
Deaths within 28 days of positive test
Latest data provided on 20 April 2021

Daily
33
Last 7 days
184arrow -57 (-23.7%)
Rate per 100,000 people:  0.2

Healthcare
Patients admitted
Latest data provided on 14 April 2021

Daily
192
Last 7 days
1,369arrow -211 (-13.4%)
 

 

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Osthos said:

 

Looking at this data, Thailand is currently testing just short of the rate recommended by the WHO. The WHO recommends one positive case for every ten negative as the benchmark for adequate testing.

 

I disagree!

And 3 days data is hardly a trend.

 

How high is too high?

 

The higher the percent positive is, the more concerning it is. As a rule of thumb, however, one threshold for the percent positive being “too high” is 5%. For example, the World Health Organization recommended in May that the percent positive remain below 5% for at least two weeks before governments consider reopening. If we are successful in bringing coronavirus transmission under control, this threshold might be lowered over time. To further relax social restrictions and allow very large gatherings or meetings of people traveling from many different areas, for example, we would want a lower threshold.

 

COVID-19 Testing: Understanding the “Percent Positive” - COVID-19 - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (jhsph.edu)

 

 

Edited April 21, 2021 by LosLobo

[Pattaya Spotter]

11 minutes ago, smedly said:

 

Actually I won't, that is the first time I have seen actual test figures 

 

With a population of 70million people (similar to the UK) just how many should they be testing, here is the data for one day in the UK - a country that has a handle on things, and the Vaccine rollout is also world beating  - see any difference from Thailand ???

 

 

UK Data 

 

 

Testing
Virus tests conducted
Latest data provided on 19 April 2021

Daily
1,041,368
Last 7 days
6,720,129arrow 871,720 (14.9%)

 

 

Cases
People tested positive
Latest data provided on 20 April 2021

Daily
2,524
Last 7 days
17,334arrow -1,968 (-10.2%)
Rate per 100,000 people:  26.1

Deaths
Deaths within 28 days of positive test
Latest data provided on 20 April 2021

Daily
33
Last 7 days
184arrow -57 (-23.7%)
Rate per 100,000 people:  0.2

Healthcare
Patients admitted
Latest data provided on 14 April 2021

Daily
192
Last 7 days
1,369arrow -211 (-13.4%)
 

 

 Bravo to the UK...after a disastrous start to the pandemic, with one of the worst infection and death rates in the world, and over a year into the pandemic, they're testing about 1M people per day, and if I'm reading the data correctly, finding about 2500 cases. Now, what relevance is this, a country with a per capita GDP (US$) of 42,000 and commensurate spending on healthcare and pandemic resources, to Thailand, a country of $6450?

[dinsdale]

Here is something from on the ground. Mum and pop shop up the road from me in the village mum has tested positive yesterday. Only thing that is happening today is shop is shut until the 30th. No testing (mass testing if you like)is happening around the area. This is why the figures are questionable and have been from the beginning. They will wait for hospital presentations. Don't buy into the fanboy's nonsence on this forum.

p.s. I bought a can of beer from that shop Saturday and mum wasn't wearing a mask. I got the beer from the fridge and gave pop the money who was wearing a mask. I was wearing a mask.

Edited April 21, 2021 by dinsdale

[Osthos]

3 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

I disagree!

 

How high is too high?

 

The higher the percent positive is, the more concerning it is. As a rule of thumb, however, one threshold for the percent positive being “too high” is 5%. For example, the World Health Organization recommended in May that the percent positive remain below 5% for at least two weeks before governments consider reopening. If we are successful in bringing coronavirus transmission under control, this threshold might be lowered over time. To further relax social restrictions and allow very large gatherings or meetings of people traveling from many different areas, for example, we would want a lower threshold.

 

COVID-19 Testing: Understanding the “Percent Positive” - COVID-19 - Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health (jhsph.edu)

 

 

 

Oh for sure, we would all be comforted by a greater amount of testing. That kind of data would let us know if more or less restrictions are needed.

 

We are just at the beginning of this outbreak, the current data suggests that although the spread is serious, it doesn't suggest that current testing is missing a huge number of cases in the community. Hopefully when they can sort out the logistics of the field hospitals/isolation centres, then they can confidently test more of the community without worrying about overwhelming the number of beds available with patients. 

 

Whilst I don't put much faith in the Junta, my experiences with the bureaucracy and professionalism of the Thai healthcare system has been fairly ok. Hopefully they can succeed in spite of being hamstrung by the current minister.  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

https://www.facebook.com/OICDDC/posts/3887143858072845

 

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, Osthos said:

 

Oh for sure, we would all be comforted by a greater amount of testing. That kind of data would let us know if more or less restrictions are needed.

 

We are just at the beginning of this outbreak, the current data suggests that although the spread is serious, it doesn't suggest that current testing is missing a huge number of cases in the community. Hopefully when they can sort out the logistics of the field hospitals/isolation centres, then they can confidently test more of the community without worrying about overwhelming the number of beds available with patients. 

 

Whilst I don't put much faith in the Junta, my experiences with the bureaucracy and professionalism of the Thai healthcare system has been fairly ok. Hopefully they can succeed in spite of being hamstrung by the current minister.  

Guess you didn't read my previous post.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Double pricing again...

 

Phuket waives THB300 Covid test fee for Thais entering province

 

"Thais who wish to enter Phuket but have not yet been tested for Covid-19 will get a rapid test free of charge, while foreign visitors will have to pay THB500, authorities said on Wednesday (April 21)."

 

(more)

 

https://www.facebook.com/NationNews/posts/10157927937561937

 

 

[Chalong circle]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Daily updates from the Ministry of Health showing Thailand's standing versus world countries and its Asian regional peer countries ranked by total numbers of reported COVID cases. With today's' new cases report, Thailand moved up one spot to now rank 106th among world countries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The very good news is that Myanmar has zero new case.

[Osthos]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Guess you didn't read my previous post.

 

Sure. But you have provided one data point, and although such qualitative data is appreciated, one or even ten data points can hardly be extrapolated into a clear bigger picture.

 

Current testing is for sure missing cases but the data doesn't suggest a huge number is being missed.