On 5/1/2021 at 5:52 PM, covidiot said:

Vitamin D strenthens the immune system.

 

Human beings are only susceptible to viruses due to weak immune systems. 

 

The doctor you quoted in your first post is fear-mongering and being dishonest or misinformed.

 

Keep your immune system up and avoid the media nonsense.

 

 

 

 

I agree with the immunity boosting ability of the d3 vit. I've increase from 1000 iu to 5000 for more than a year now when all this got rolling.  Also, people with darker skin produce it slower naturally, so I  pushed the wife into taking it also. That being said, because the virus is new (novel) humans antibodies are not naturally present. Therefore, having a robust immune system is not going to prevent getting covid though it may (depending on many other factors) reduce the damage. Unfortunately, asymptomatic carriers can still give this pox to others who may get very sick/die. So, imo, your statement is not correct. Do you think what's happening in India presently is 'media nonsense'? To believe that is willful ignorance imo..

see covidiot.   the sad sacks on these forums will always outlast you.   they are glued to their negativity.   They are the ones that hide behind the bully  ,  their keyboards. 

 

"Do not argue with a fool. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

 

 

 

4 hours ago, rumak said:

21 posts (of yours on this thread) .     not quite a record ,   but good effort young man

not so young man.

my apologies for tormenting you with my covid-induced neurosis.

Off-topic, troll posts and replies removed.  Continue and face a suspension.  

 

On 5/1/2021 at 5:52 PM, covidiot said:

Vitamin D strenthens the immune system.

 

Human beings are only susceptible to viruses due to weak immune systems. 

 

The doctor you quoted in your first post is fear-mongering and being dishonest or misinformed.

 

Keep your immune system up and avoid the media nonsense.

 

 

Vitamin D is a good thing.

 

But the correlation/causation between Vitamin D deficiency and Covid infection is not proven. Since so many elderly contract the disease, they tend to go outside less, and as it is the case that the virus spreads more readily indoors, the elderly are therefore more at risk. And have less Vitamin D in their system.

On 5/2/2021 at 2:53 PM, GrandPapillon said:

don't think anyone denies the severity of the virus, it's just the silly reactions of world leaders thinking they could beat this thing with "gel" for hands and lockdowns. Obviously they have failed. It never stopped the virus from spreading. And we still not entirely sure how it's spreading and why it's spreading so fast.

Lockdowns have been very effective in stopping the spread of the virus. Lockdowns, however, cannot eliminate the virus without draconian efforts.

 

I should note that the Denier hive mind has changed the talking points concerning lockdowns: last year it was “lockdowns cannot stop the spread of the virus”, but this year it’s “lockdowns cannot eliminate the virus”.

43 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

But the correlation/causation between Vitamin D deficiency and Covid infection is not proven.

Maybe not absolute proof, but worth a watch if you can spare 8 minutes. 

I won't put the link as it may be deemed "unreliable source"? 

Youtube

Search: The Cheapest Covid-19 Therapy in The World 

by Dr. Eric Berg

(the cheapest therapy refers to vitamin D from the sun)

 

Edit: Also, the local media has promoted Vitamin D in numerous articles over the past year. When you read the news, don't just read the "noise". 

 

3 minutes ago, covidiot said:

Maybe not absolute proof, but worth a watch if you can spare 8 minutes. 

I won't put the link as it may be deemed "unreliable source"? 

Youtube

Search: The Cheapest Covid-19 Therapy in The World 

by Dr. Eric Berg

(the cheapest therapy refers to vitamin D from the sun)

There are no lack of crazy doctors preaching fake cures on the Internet. Ignore them.

 

let me tell you a big secret: the Powers that Be rely on something called the “scientific method” for determining efficacy of medications. This entails a long complicated process during which scientifically valid clinical trials are conducted -and repeated by others - after which, the scientific community assesses the validity of the cure. This is a continuing process.

 

You can rely on this method for determining whether a medication works or not, or accept the word of a lunatic on the internet.

 

Up to you.

3 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

let me tell you a big secret: the Powers that Be rely on something called the “scientific method”

We don't agree about reliable sources.

Then it becomes a complex philosophical debate that will take decades. 

We shall agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

 

31 minutes ago, covidiot said:

Maybe not absolute proof, but worth a watch if you can spare 8 minutes. 

I won't put the link as it may be deemed "unreliable source"? 

Youtube

Search: The Cheapest Covid-19 Therapy in The World 

by Dr. Eric Berg

(the cheapest therapy refers to vitamin D from the sun)

 

Edit: Also, the local media has promoted Vitamin D in numerous articles over the past year. When you read the news, don't just read the "noise". 

 

Here you go: Look at bonafides before you believe in what they are saying:

 

Eric Berg (c. 1972–) is an American antivaxxer, chiropractor, cholesterol denialist, conspiracy theorist and ketogenic diet advocate. Berg promotes pseudoscientific health advice and quackery. Berg is not a medical doctor.

20 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Eric Berg (c. 1972–) is an American antivaxxer, chiropractor, cholesterol denialist, conspiracy theorist and ketogenic diet advocate. Berg promotes pseudoscientific health advice and quackery. Berg is not a medical doctor.

I didn't realize he was an anti-vaxxer. I'm not promoting not taking the vaccine. I may take it myself. Do whatever you want. I don't care. 

 

I have used chiropractors. So what? In your hometown, it's a crime? 

 

Wow, he's a ketogenic advocate. My virgin ears! Have you been to a supermarket lately in a western country? The amount of ketogenic products being sold is increasing yearly. It's probably a 15 billion dollar industry. But the newspaper you trust told you it's bad, so it must be true. 

 

Cholesterol denialist. Ha ha ha. I didn't realize there was such a thing. I love eggs. 

 

Your way of thinking is scary. This is nazi territory. People should not be allowed to promote a diet different from yours?

 

I think I've had enough of this forum. 

 

 

 

 

54 minutes ago, covidiot said:

We don't agree about reliable sources.

Then it becomes a complex philosophical debate that will take decades. 

We shall agree to disagree and leave it at that.

 

 

If you don't understand the scientific method, then we don't have a disagreement. We have an educational opportunity.

 

Just because you seemingly failed science in school, doesn't mean that science is wrong.

25 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Just because you seemingly failed science in school, doesn't mean that science is wrong.

Edit:

Ok, so where do you want to go with this? My source is a quack? The scientific method is foolproof? 

 

You missed the other important point I made. Vitamin D has been promoted in the SAME mainstream media that is promoting vaccines. There have been multiple articles encouraging the use of Vitamin D over the past year in the mainstream media that I read.

 

But people don't notice these articles. They only focus on the sensationalism, the noise, the fear, the statistics. People only pay attention to the news that gets repeated over and over. They miss the subtle messages in one-off articles. 

 

 

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, covidiot said:

Edit:

Ok, so where do you want to go with this? My source is a quack? The scientific method is foolproof? 

 

You missed the other important point I made. Vitamin D has been promoted in the SAME mainstream media that is promoting vaccines. There have been multiple articles encouraging the use of Vitamin D over the past year in the mainstream media that I read.

 

But people don't notice these articles. They only focus on the sensationalism, the noise, the fear, the statistics. People only pay attention to the news that gets repeated over and over. They miss the subtle messages in one-off articles. 

 

 

 

Vitamin D is a good thing. It may not help with Covid prevention, though. What is lacking is a rigorous explanation of the functionality of Vitamin D in stopping the virus.

 

Yes, your guy is a quack.

 

Another name for the scientific method is “the best way to figure stuff out”. Before the scientific method, we lived in the Medieval world, where diseases were caused by witches. 

34 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Yes, your guy is a quack.

This is getting highly insulting.

And I'll explain why.

Dr. Berg, quack or not, has 5 million people on his Youtube channel. He's making a lot of money.

So now I'm a quack by association just by quoting one of his videos.

Problem is I'm getting attacked, but I ain't gettin' paid.

If you attack Dr. Berg on his Youtube channel, he'll probably block you.

And I need to take your abuse?

Game over.

This is degrading. 

I don't care what you believe. Don't take Vitamin D if the science isn't convincing enough for you.

 

 

 

46 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

we lived in the Medieval world, where diseases were caused by witches. 

What are you talking about? I thought you weren't superstitious.

 

Scientists never cause disease?

 

Who created cigarettes? It wasn't scientists who put 600 harmful chemicals together in that little stick?

 

 

 

On 5/2/2021 at 9:26 AM, aboctok said:

That's called dissembling. Covidiot did not merely say that most healthy people can avoid serious illness by having a healthy immune system; he asserted something more concrete: that humans are only susceptible to viruses when their immune system is "weak." I'm interested to know whether people who hold such views also believe the corollary: that someone with a healthy immune system is impervious to viruses.

I also think that there is a kind of circular definition of a healthy immune system.  How do you identify a healthy immune system?  A person with a healthy immune system doesn't get sick from infections, right?  So if you have a healthy immune system you avoid serious infections and if you avoid serious infections you have a healthy immune system.  As the French say, Viola!!! (sorry stolen from Quickdraw McGraw).

So not a very informative statement to say " people can avoid serious illness by having a healthy immune system".

It's like saying "you can avoid getting sick by not getting sick".

On 5/2/2021 at 5:26 PM, aboctok said:

That's called dissembling. Covidiot did not merely say that most healthy people can avoid serious illness by having a healthy immune system; he asserted something more concrete: that humans are only susceptible to viruses when their immune system is "weak." I'm interested to know whether people who hold such views also believe the corollary: that someone with a healthy immune system is impervious to viruses.

There is a clue in the name I guess.

2 hours ago, covidiot said:

The scientific method is foolproof?

The scientific method is self-correcting.

Today's conclusions can be demonstrated to be wrong tomorrow by experiment.

On 5/1/2021 at 6:52 AM, covidiot said:

Vitamin D strenthens the immune system.

Human beings are only susceptible to viruses due to weak immune systems. 

The doctor you quoted in your first post is fear-mongering and being dishonest or misinformed.

Keep your immune system up and avoid the media nonsense.

 

Please, if you do not know anything, stay quiet.

Vitamin D does not strengthen an immune system.  If that was the case we would super dose ourselves with Vitamin D and be immune to any and all disease.

It is all about required amounts.  A deficiency in Vitamin D disrupts the immune system. Deficiency is a different concept, yes?  It is no different than Vitamin C and scurvy. Take too much and you have toxicity, not have appropriate  amount and you get scurvy.  Malnutrition weakens the body and  that includes the immune system.

 

Your claim about  humans susceptible to viruses due to weak immune systems is garbage. Immune system is a complex biochemical relationship.  Some cancers are virus based. For example HPV which can result in cervical and throat cancer. Hepatitis C which can result in liver cancer or lymphoma.  The immune system can't defend against the invader because it  cannot properly recognize the genetic material. A strong immune system does nothing. If that is true, young people in excellent health would not  have these cancers.  The mRNA vaccines are derived from cancer treatments  that were used to treat these types of viruses.

 

 

On 5/1/2021 at 7:20 AM, covidiot said:

Viruses are out of our control.

The only thing you can control is your own health. Stop giving your power away to fear-mongering doctors and media. Educate yourself about your immune system and how to stay healthy to the best of your ability. 

 

 

More garbage.  If you were correct, we would not have eliminated the horror of polio., or been able to prevent HPV and Hepatitis in young people.  Kids today can be protected against chicken pox.

 

14 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

The scientific method is self-correcting.

Today's conclusions can be demonstrated to be wrong tomorrow by experiment.

ergo they are just hypothesis and as things change they prove the prior hypothesis as being now invalid.

4 hours ago, covidiot said:

I think I've had enough of this forum.

Yes please....................!

4 hours ago, covidiot said:

The amount of ketogenic products being sold is increasing yearly. It's probably a 15 billion dollar industry. But the newspaper you trust told you it's bad, so it must be true. 

 

By your standard of rising sales, tobacco was a great idea...until it wasn't.

Sales are driven by demand, not common sense.  EG. Goop by Ms Paltrow.

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

ergo they are just hypothesis and as things change they prove the prior hypothesis as being now invalid.

Yes.  Another term for experiment is "hypothesis testing".

This is what is missing from a lot of armchair science is that a plausible hypothesis is put forth and argued about.  If it goes nor farther it is just "plausible Bullshxt".

That is not science.  Science is the process of asking "why" or "how" and putting forth a hypothesis. 

Then designing an experiment to test the validity of the hypothesis.

7 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Lockdowns have been very effective in stopping the spread of the virus. Lockdowns, however, cannot eliminate the virus without draconian efforts.

 

I should note that the Denier hive mind has changed the talking points concerning lockdowns: last year it was “lockdowns cannot stop the spread of the virus”, but this year it’s “lockdowns cannot eliminate the virus”.

but there is no real evidence that lockdowns did slow down the spread,

 

in statistics, I can't remember the term used exactly, but there is a situation where results are attributed to the wrong event or the wrong cause

 

the spread happens in waves, so the temporary declines could have happen naturally, sans lockdowns, and it could rise greatly, even with lockdowns, like we saw it happened in Europe in the first wave.

On 5/2/2021 at 7:34 AM, covidiot said:

One final point I would like to make.

People are debating science, people are still getting drawn in to the fear, the numbers ... 

Don't forget to focus on all the positive stuff that is emerging from this situation.

 

Be sure to pass your message on to the families of these poor folk.....

 

According to the World Health Organisation (WHO), there were as many new infections of Covid-19 globally last week as there were during the entire first five months of the pandemic.

 

For nine weeks in a row, the number of cases worldwide has reached a new high and for six weeks running the number of deaths has eclipsed the week before.

 

Second, third and fourth waves of the virus in countries like India, Brazil and Iran are contributing heavily towards those grim figures. India in particular has seen its healthcare system collapse under the weight of infections as patients are turned away from hospitals because of oxygen shortages.

 

But as the world watches on and help flows to countries most in need, there are several new hotspots worth paying attention to including Canada, Sri Lanka and Turkey.

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-world-records-as-many-cases-in-one-week-as-in-first-five-months-of-pandemic/D7SZAKRAF2GEQMLBGQDGKHQ3SI/

 

 

20 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

but there is no real evidence that lockdowns did slow down the spread,

 

in statistics, I can't remember the term used exactly, but there is a situation where results are attributed to the wrong event or the wrong cause

 

the spread happens in waves, so the temporary declines could have happen naturally, sans lockdowns, and it could rise greatly, even with lockdowns, like we saw it happened in Europe in the first wave.

You are wrong.

 

There are many documented cases when cases dropped immediately after a lockdown starts.

 

But, I suspect that such facts don’t mean anything to you, as you just don’t like lockdowns, even if they do work. So, I should ask you explicitly: if it were proven that lockdowns flatten the curve, would you support them?

 

or would you move the goalposts “lockdowns don’t cure cancer” or change the subject?

20 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

but there is no real evidence that lockdowns did slow down the spread,

 

in statistics, I can't remember the term used exactly, but there is a situation where results are attributed to the wrong event or the wrong cause

 

the spread happens in waves, so the temporary declines could have happen naturally, sans lockdowns, and it could rise greatly, even with lockdowns, like we saw it happened in Europe in the first wave.

You’re talking about “correlation does not equal causation”

 

Here is a link to some very extensive research into which measures have/had most effect in reducing the spread of Sars-Cov2. 
 

“The most effective NPIs include curfews, lockdowns and closing and restricting places where people gather in smaller or large numbers for an extended period of time. This includes small gathering cancellations (closures of shops, restaurants, gatherings of 50 persons or fewer, mandatory home working and so on) and closure of educational institutions.”

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-01009-0

1 hour ago, Gulfsailor said:

You’re talking about “correlation does not equal causation”

 

Here is a link to some very extensive research into which measures have/had most effect in reducing the spread of Sars-Cov2. 
 

“The most effective NPIs include curfews, lockdowns and closing and restricting places where people gather in smaller or large numbers for an extended period of time. This includes small gathering cancellations (closures of shops, restaurants, gatherings of 50 persons or fewer, mandatory home working and so on) and closure of educational institutions.”

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-01009-0

IMO lockdowns do work, but only till lockdowns end. Given it's not politically possible in western countries to continue lockdowns indefinitely, IMO the waves will continue till herd immunity is reached, one way or another.

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