Covid-19: What’s the Endgame?

[meechai]

On 5/4/2021 at 4:06 PM, cdemundo said:

They have been approved for emergency use because..... drum roll please... we have a freakin' emergency.

If you don't believe there is an emergency then volunteer to go to India and help with the non-probliem there.

 

555 not that bright ;)

 

Guess what? The US Military has the "option" of taking the vaccines.. In groups I know 50-60% have taken it

 

Guess why the others have the "Option" of not taking it?? Ding ding...yes because it is not FDA approved except emergency usage

 

As far as India yeah you should head on over see if you can help out as your probably vaccinated & now have total immunity right ? 555

[Danderman123]

13 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

IMO only unsafe if in the group that gets infected, and of them only a small % ( apparently those with underlying health problems ) die. So unless everywhere becomes India, we shouldn't panic, IMO.

There are a very large number of survivors who didn’t have underlying health problems, but now have long term disability from the virus.

[meechai]

On 5/4/2021 at 4:17 PM, Danderman123 said:

From what I understand, the Covid virus is unsafe for humans. But you seem to prefer infection by the virus to injection with a vaccine.

 

Well yes actually I do prefer to exercise my immune system if need be

 

Life is unsafe for humans haven't you noticed? People smoke around me...I don't....Drunks drive around me ....I dont

Yet here I am....I take logical precautions & that is after all my choice not yours.

 

This is a recent problem in the world...All these folks who think their opinion is what matters & all should follow it.

 

Tell you what if you want a vaccine go get it....tons available here in the USA you can walk into any CVS Pharmacy & get the J&J today or tomorrow at the latest

Other free massive vac sites giving Pfizer/Moderna

 

It is a get it your d#*n self-service country . We all like it that way so help yourself to what you want & never mind what others want or do not want

We are not the same & you cannot begin to compare yourself with me I guarantee you ????

 

[DerbyDan]

35 minutes ago, meechai said:

 

555 not that bright ????

 

Guess what? The US Military has the "option" of taking the vaccines.. In groups I know 50-60% have taken it

 

Not for long. It's going to be required soon.

Edited May 7, 2021 by DerbyDan

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

There are a very large number of survivors who didn’t have underlying health problems, but now have long term disability from the virus.

Stats from a reputable source please.

"A very large number" is meaningless in the context of 8 billion.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, meechai said:

 

Well yes actually I do prefer to exercise my immune system if need be

 

Life is unsafe for humans haven't you noticed? People smoke around me...I don't....Drunks drive around me ....I dont

Yet here I am....I take logical precautions & that is after all my choice not yours.

 

This is a recent problem in the world...All these folks who think their opinion is what matters & all should follow it.

 

Tell you what if you want a vaccine go get it....tons available here in the USA you can walk into any CVS Pharmacy & get the J&J today or tomorrow at the latest

Other free massive vac sites giving Pfizer/Moderna

 

It is a get it your d#*n self-service country . We all like it that way so help yourself to what you want & never mind what others want or do not want

We are not the same & you cannot begin to compare yourself with me I guarantee you ????

 

If I could, I'd have given that 100 "likes".

 

There are way too many people thinking that they can impose their wants and opinions on me and that if I don't agree with them I must be a bad person.

Edited May 7, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, meechai said:

 

555 not that bright ????

 

Guess what? The US Military has the "option" of taking the vaccines.. In groups I know 50-60% have taken it

 

Guess why the others have the "Option" of not taking it?? Ding ding...yes because it is not FDA approved except emergency usage

 

As far as India yeah you should head on over see if you can help out as your probably vaccinated & now have total immunity right ? 555

Have you ever seen a bubble in a skillet?

Geez, there is absolutely nothing saving you.

 

[BritManToo]

On 5/2/2021 at 6:33 AM, Danderman123 said:

at some point, a large percent of the population will be vaccinated, and the situation will change.

I suspect not.

[Danderman123]

38 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Stats from a reputable source please.

"A very large number" is meaningless in the context of 8 billion.

So is 6 million in the context of the overall world population. Or a single murder.

 

for sociopaths, the number of dead is just a number, unless it affects them personally.

 

as for the symptoms of long term Covid:

 

Most people who have coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) recover completely within a few weeks. But some people — even those who had mild versions of the disease — continue to experience symptoms after their initial recovery.  These people sometimes describe themselves as "long haulers" and the conditions have been called post-COVID-19 syndrome or "long COVID-19." These health issues are sometimes called post-COVID-19 conditions. They're generally considered to be effects of COVID-19 that persist for more than four weeks after you've been diagnosed with the COVID-19 virus.

[Danderman123]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I suspect not.

Except that in countries with lots of vaccinations, the situation has changed.

[simon43]

If all those who want a vaccine can be vaccinated, then what's the problem? 

 

Those who refuse a vaccine may catch the virus and may die, but so what?  That's their choice. 

 

Those who have been vaccinated and catch the virus should have a easy time to recover quickly, thanks to the antibodies already in their immune system.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

So is 6 million in the context of the overall world population. Or a single murder.

 

for sociopaths, the number of dead is just a number, unless it affects them personally.

 

as for the symptoms of long term Covid:

 

Most people who have coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) recover completely within a few weeks. But some people — even those who had mild versions of the disease — continue to experience symptoms after their initial recovery.  These people sometimes describe themselves as "long haulers" and the conditions have been called post-COVID-19 syndrome or "long COVID-19." These health issues are sometimes called post-COVID-19 conditions. They're generally considered to be effects of COVID-19 that persist for more than four weeks after you've been diagnosed with the COVID-19 virus.

"Some" could be 3 or 3 million. Saying "Some" in this context is meaningless, IMO.

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, simon43 said:

If all those who want a vaccine can be vaccinated, then what's the problem? 

 

Those who refuse a vaccine may catch the virus and may die, but so what?  That's their choice. 

 

Those who have been vaccinated and catch the virus should have a easy time to recover quickly, thanks to the antibodies already in their immune system.

That is the crux of my question here. Is the Endgame in Thai that so many are vaccinated that the virus fades away, or we going to see so many anti-vaxxers that there are future waves among the unvaccinated until they die off?

[Danderman123]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

"Some" could be 3 or 3 million. Saying "Some" in this context is meaningless, IMO.

I haven’t given you the numbers yet. I have informed you of the severity of the disease.

 

it affects at least 600,000 Canadians and approximately 2.5 million Americans,

 

basically about 20% of those hospitalized have symptoms after 4 weeks. As do some of the asymptomatics.

Edited May 7, 2021 by Danderman123

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, DerbyDan said:

 

Not for long. It's going to be required soon.

The supreme court may disagree. Something called "human rights" could be at issue and soldiers don't give up human rights when they put on the uniform ( unless, IMO, they are in China ).

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

I haven’t given you the numbers yet. I have informed you of the severity of the disease.

Severity IN YOUR OPINION. Without stats your opinion is just an opinion.

[Danderman123]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Severity IN YOUR OPINION. Without stats your opinion is just an opinion.

it affects at least 600,000 Canadians and approximately 2.5 million Americans, 
 

not my opinion. Just the facts.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

it affects at least 600,000 Canadians and approximately 2.5 million Americans, 
 

not my opinion. Just the facts.

 

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34240145/2019-2020-traffic-deaths-coronavirus/

The number of people who have died in motor vehicle traffic crashes was down from 16,988 in 2019 to 16,650 in 2020

 

That's about deaths in America. That's a pretty serious number too, but they didn't ban driving because of it, which would have saved 16,650 lives last year.

[Saltire]

The endgame is still a way off in my opinion.

 

It's a bit worrying when the country (Seychelles) with the highest % of the population vaccinated is now facing a new wave.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-04/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-reintroduces-curbs-as-cases-surge

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, Saltire said:

The endgame is still a way off in my opinion.

 

It's a bit worrying when the country (Seychelles) with the highest % of the population vaccinated is now facing a new wave.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-04/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-reintroduces-curbs-as-cases-surge

 

There are a couple of factors here at play:

 

The population is small, so the difference between a wave and normal background infections, in absolute terms, is small.

 

The percent of those vaccinated but now infected is one third, small in absolute terms.

 

And they are using crappy vaccines.

[covidiot]

25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Something called "human rights" could be at issue

They are not allowed to force people to get the vaccine. 

 

But everyone will know if you don't get it and there will be animosity between people who get it and people who don't ... within families, in the workplace...

It's not going to be comfortable going around telling people you refused it. I'm already being harangued by family members to go get it. 

 

 

 

 

 

[meechai]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If I could, I'd have given that 100 "likes".

 

There are way too many people thinking that they can impose their wants and opinions on me and that if I don't agree with them I must be a bad person.

 

Exactly & it is a bad trait of the few really...This lack of tolerance started a while back & grew into this cancel culture.

Not to worry they talk/cry & have tantrums but that is about it. ????

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, covidiot said:

They are not allowed to force people to get the vaccine. 

 

But everyone will know if you don't get it and there will be animosity between people who get it and people who don't ... within families, in the workplace...

It's not going to be comfortable going around telling people you refused it. I'm already being harangued by family members to go get it. 

 

 

 

 

 

How will they know? Do they tattoo people on the forehead after getting the jab?

IMO just let people think you have or are going to get it. You don't have to lie, just don't go around saying that you are not going to have it.

If perchance you caught it, you would just say that you were one of the people that it doesn't work on. To my knowledge none of the vaccines are claiming 100% success.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, Saltire said:

The endgame is still a way off in my opinion.

 

It's a bit worrying when the country (Seychelles) with the highest % of the population vaccinated is now facing a new wave.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-05-04/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-reintroduces-curbs-as-cases-surge

 

 

It's not surprising if one reads the thread about it on this subforum. It's not like 99% of the population was vaccinated. IMO a misleading headline, as they were not anywhere near herd immunity.

[Rimmer]

A personal attack has been removed

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I suspect not.

The rate is already declining. There is enough suspicion about them to make many wait and see. My friends already vaccinated, so if they don't have any adverse problems because of it, I will do likewise. As already said, I'm not at all averse to vaccines per se, just rushed ones.

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, covidiot said:

They are not allowed to force people to get the vaccine. 

 

But everyone will know if you don't get it and there will be animosity between people who get it and people who don't ... within families, in the workplace...

How will everyone know?

My government don't even know I'm outside the UK.

I don't even tell people I meet (or women I have sex with) where I live or my real name ....... they don't need to know.

Edited May 7, 2021 by BritManToo

[covidiot]

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

How will everyone know?

My government don't even know I'm outside the UK.

I don't even tell people I meet (or women I have sex with) where I live or my real name ....... they don't need to know.

Impossible to hide.

They're rolling out the QR codes. 

Maybe you won't even be allowed to travel within Thailand, but don't quote me on that.

 

Employers may discriminate against people who don't have it.

And family members will give you a hard time ... depending on your situation.

 

I'm getting it ASAP. The bs surrounding not getting it is way worse than all the other scenarios. I'd rather die of Covid than try to function in society without this thing.

 

[BritManToo]

Just now, covidiot said:

Impossible to hide.

They're rolling out the QR codes. 

 

Employers may discriminate against people who don't have it.

 

And family members will give you a hard time ... depending on your situation.

I just point my phone at the QR code ..... even though it's not turned on and I don't have the app on my phone.

Pause, point switched off phone in direction of QR code, touch the turned off screen, and walk in.

Like everything else in Thailand, they're too stupid to check you're actually following the rulez.

 

I haven't worked since I retired age 45 (that was 20 years back).

 

We all had COVID in January 2020. (me, women, 2 kids).

I don't give a flying one about any other family.

Edited May 7, 2021 by BritManToo

[jak2002003]

What is this fear and hate that some people have against people that don't want to be vaccinated against Covid?

 

It's like they are really insecure and wetting their pants, so scared of the virus they are in a panic to wipe it out. 

 

Or is it just them being bullies, wanting to force people to do what they want or else turn them into people to be discriminated against?

 

If you have the vaccine you are safe. So, why care about someone that chooses not to have it?