2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

more chance of seeing a really pretty one in LOS than in London, for instance.

Try Rhyl or Burnley......no chance.

1 minute ago, ChaiyaTH said:

I figured it is actually a large part of the lack of parenting

If education is to make any real progress then it has to be driven by parents........they make the difference.

 

Many coastal and inner city schools in the UK have abysmal records of achievement, poor discipline....until you look at the results of certain minorities........particularly the Chinese.....driven by their parents to succeed.

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

All areas that depended on tourism, which of course is more or less extinct in Pattaya.

Had you driven around the areas that people actually live in things might be different.

 

I think the council is missing a golden opportunity to demolish the entire area and construct a proper beach promenade 4 times wider, build 4 or even 6 lane roads with bus lanes and with proper wide pavements, put in some proper drainage that can handle the rain, and even put the monorail in. That way when tourism returns, as it will, things would be better.

However, I remember how after the tsunami wiped all the accommodation off Phi Phi they rebuilt the same <deleted> <deleted> as it was before, so I have no hope the council will take the opportunity to improve Pattaya. A golden opportunity wasted.

You would have it the same as Milton Keynes and Warrington New Town then. The Chinese, Indians and Russians would still come as they know no better. 

 

Of course the centre looks pretty sad, the place exists because of foreign tourism and foreign tourists have been subject to heavy entry restrictions for a year, making them almost non-existent. 

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

If education is to make any real progress then it has to be driven by parents........they make the difference.

 

Many coastal and inner city schools in the UK have abysmal records of achievement, poor discipline....until you look at the results of certain minorities........particularly the Chinese.....driven by their parents to succeed.

Agree, I never got interested during school, always sucked too, but I was raised properly to always work hard, teach myself and do business. Worth much more than any school, aside of languages skills, I would not waste on International schools anymore with that knowledge. I'd rather work less and teach my son myself.

8 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Pattaya is death. Unless you want to claim that the 20% of businesses that will remain open, and shed some light on quietness and darkness in certain streets and areas, is compensating for the remaining 80%? It simply never be the same again but of course the city doesn't vanish.

I am from Michigan.  Detroit was once the wealthiest city in the USA on a per capita income basis.  The high wages of the auto workers pushed up the average wage in Detroit to the highest in the USA.  Now, homes for as little as $500 can be had there. 

It is relatively easy to institute practices that kills a region but as shown in Detroit, very hard to revive the patient once you have rendered it on life support. 

1 minute ago, Thomas J said:

 Now, homes for as little as $500 can be had there. 

That shock wave Thailand still is going to get, they delay it now with payments on hold. Specially as 30% of population decreases.

1 minute ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Agree, I never got interested during school, always sucked too, but I was raised properly to always work hard, teach myself and do business. Worth much more than any school, aside of languages skills, I would not waste on International schools anymore with that knowledge.

My screen saver in the classroom....

 

"Few have been taught to any purpose who have not been their own teachers".

 

Not that the kids ever understood what it implied.

1 hour ago, J Town said:

If anyone read "The Dark Tower" series, they'll understand the term "the world has moved on."  Yes, everything is shut down by decree and will probably go on an "open/shut" roller coaster for a year or two.

 

The sex industry was Pattaya's forte. That's been demolished. The girls found out they can make a fortune online without ever swapping bodily fluids. I don't think it will ever return to its glorious apex of the previous decade. I'm just seriously grateful I got in as many soapies as I did!

 

The world has moved on.

Ya reckon? Bet you a slab of beer that when Pattaya does open this year or next that beach Rd will be back to 200 whores! 

Not swapping body fluids? So lonely punters are going to stay in their bedsit in some freezing corner of the globe paying for a tug, or are you referring to something else? 

 

 

1 hour ago, J Town said:

 

 

The sex industry was Pattaya's forte. That's been demolished. The girls found out they can make a fortune online without ever swapping bodily fluids. 

 

The world has moved on.

That’s mostly a myth.

 

There are a tiny number on OnlyFans making money. There are some ladies live-streaming at bars. Of those, even on good day, the top tier make what would have been a bad day before the bars were closed. A lot of ladies are lucky to make 400 baht a day on live-streaming.

 

Then, there are the sponsored ladies whose income is not dependent on whether the bars are open or not.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

Many coastal and inner city schools in the UK have abysmal records of achievement, poor discipline....until you look at the results of certain minorities........particularly the Chinese.....driven by their parents to succeed.

 

You are absolutely correct on that.  In the USA only 59% of black males graduate with a high school diploma.  By contrast the Asian population many entering the country as immigrants and not being able to speak English still thrive.  They push themselves and their children to go to school, take difficult subjects, study, and receive advanced degrees.  The result is that the Asian population not only does as well as the native Caucasian population it betters it.  The Asian population has the highest college graduate, post graduate rate.  Asians are also the highest earning ethnic group in the USA

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

That’s mostly a myth.

 

There are a tiny number on OnlyFans making money. There are some ladies live-streaming at bars. Of those, even on good day, the top tier make what would have been a bad day before the bars were closed. A lot of ladies are lucky to make 400 baht a day on live-streaming.

 

Then, there are the sponsored ladies whose income is not dependent on whether the bars are open or not.

 

 

I know from personal Business experience in marketing / advertising that most web cam girls barely earn 10 dollars, the few good ones do nicely and even then it usually is only 5000$ after taxes, for ruining your vagina with automated sex toys. it's like digital nomads, most don't earn a penny.

Different areas of Thailand cater to different markets. Phuket the more upscale, Koh Phangan the younger cooler crowd, Samui sort of in the middle, Hua Hin for the elderly and Pattaya for the lonely social misfits who have issues picking up girls without paying for various reasons and males from Muslim countries where it is nearly impossible to find casual sex.

 

There will always be a percentage of mostly Issan girls who got themselves pregnant young and the father runs off and drug addicts, or just the plain lazy who are prepared to rent their genitals to the dribbling misfits.

 

It ain't going to change, there will always be misfits and Muslims and there will always be these girls.

 

Pattaya will bounce back. Where else are they all going to go?

 

 

This thread will seem quaint a year from now.

2 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

 

You are absolutely correct on that.  In the USA only 59% of black males graduate with a high school diploma.  By contrast the Asian population many entering the country as immigrants and not being able to speak English still thrive.  They push themselves and their children to go to school, take difficult subjects, study, and receive advanced degrees.  The result is that the Asian population not only does as well as the native Caucasian population it betters it.  The Asian population has the highest college graduate, post graduate rate.  Asians are also the highest earning ethnic group in the USA

And Asian girls are not only the smartest, they are also the most beautiful and petite.

 

A lot of white girls are very intimated by them.

3 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

That shock wave Thailand still is going to get, they delay it now with payments on hold. Specially as 30% of population decreases.

That is why I have very little money in Thai banks.  I am a former banker.  In the USA banks are allowed to have what is called a "loan loss reserve"  They take money from earnings to set aside as a reserve against future losses from bad loans.  When a property/business/equipment etc is repossessed as part of a bad loan, the bank is required to write down the value of the loan to reflect the estimated amount it will recover.  

Now I will qualify this statement since I don't know it to be fact.  I am told one of the reasons that you see so many bank foreclosed properties remain unsold for so many years is that the bank in Thailand has to recognize that loss but only after the repossessed property is actually sold.  Until then, it carries that property as an asset on its books at full book value.  If and I stress "if' that is true, that significantly overstates the asset value of the Thai banks since they have "pending" losses that are not recognized.  That would explain why Thai banks mysteriously choose to hold on to non-performing assets such as foreclosed homes for years rather than sell them for what they are worth but less than the loan amount and then have to book the loss. 

2 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

They push themselves and their children to go to school, take difficult subjects, study, and receive advanced degrees

London is a very good example of this....although the politicians try to make out it is their "innercity initiatives" that make the difference.......London inner city schools are dominated by Asian kids whose parents demand they do well.......Only 20% of white working class boys leave schools with 'good' results.........it is not because of their teachers or the school.....it is because of their parents.

Imagine how dead Koh Larn is right now. 
 

but, come back in a month or two, and it will be busy again. That’s what happened during the last wave.

1 minute ago, Danderman123 said:

Imagine how dead Koh Larn is right now. 

Got to be....they voted for all tourists to be removed.

2 hours ago, Dart12 said:

Beach front area's do not stay empty.

But the actual beach does!

6 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

London is a very good example of this....although the politicians try to make out it is their "innercity initiatives" that make the difference.......London inner city schools are dominated by Asian kids whose parents demand they do well.......Only 20% of white working class boys leave schools with 'good' results.........it is not because of their teachers or the school.....it is because of their parents.

If you want a great example of this look at Ben Carson former HUD secretary and his brother Curtis Carson.  The mother was a single black mother who worked in housekeeping in the inner city of Detroit. She pushed the kids to read a book every day and demanded that they get good grades.  Ben  became the head of Pediatric Neurosurgery at John Hopkins, Curtis became an Aeronautic Engineer with NASA.  I attended a fund raiser where he was a speaker and he joked because of his mother the family had both a brain surgeon and a rocket scientist in the family.  By contrast in the same inner city Detroit schools they have an abysmal 24% graduation rate and resultantly 48% of Detroit residents are found to be functionally illiterate.  The later was defines as someone who could not accurately fill out a job application or read the instructions on a prescription bottle. 

 

They will be back in droves what else can they do in sticky rice land? They cant walk around half naked up there

1 hour ago, at15 said:

come on thai girls are very very low on the world beauty ranking

Sad you,ve never ranked one yourself !

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Have you seen them though?

haha not really. I can imagine though

Does a collection of bars, brothels and sex massage establishments really deserve being called a City at all? 

But but but!  Clean wealthy tourist come now.  Save Pattaya.  Save Phuket. Save Thailand. 

5 minutes ago, clivebaxter said:

Does a collection of bars, brothels and sex massage establishments really deserve being called a City at all? 

sex in the City perhaps...........

 

Not keen on Pattaya, went there once 16 years ago, never again although I'm sure there are some nice spots away from the city life that I missed.

 

 

36 minutes ago, RobMuir said:

And Asian girls are not only the smartest, they are also the most beautiful and petite.

 

A lot of white girls are very intimated by them.

Wont last, Thais are getting just as fat!

16 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

They will be back in droves what else can they do in sticky rice land? They cant walk around half naked up there

More accurately, nobody wants to work on a rice field for 300 baht a day. Better to work bar, and bring boyfriend to Pattaya. 

Went in 1993, could not wait to leave

 

Just now, Danderman123 said:

More accurately, nobody wants to work on a rice field for 300 baht a day. Better to work bar, and bring boyfriend to Pattaya. 

 

On the other hand they can get an education and end up being pharmacists, doctors, bank workers and teachers like all in our family from a dirt poor Issan background. This rice farming/starvation or prostitution is an idiotic myth peddled by the customers of the sex trade.

1 minute ago, clivebaxter said:

Went in 1993, could not wait to leave

 

 

On the other hand they can get an education and end up being pharmacists, doctors, bank workers and teachers like all in our family from a dirt poor Issan background. This rice farming/starvation or prostitution is an idiotic myth peddled by the customers of the sex trade.

There is no question that some fraction of people in Isaan go to college. But, given the vast tonnage of rice harvested in Isaan, somebody is working in the rice fields. And by "somebody", I mean a lot of people.