China’s poverty solution hailed as model for Thailand

[webfact]

(Photo by Romeo GACAD / AFP)

 

By Thai PBS World’s Business Desk

 

Thai politicians and academics are showing a growing interest in China’s experience in poverty reduction.

 

Leaders of the ruling Palang Pracharath Party recently met with their Chinese Communist Party (CCP) counterparts to learn from China about how to reduce the poverty rate.

 

Since the Thai military coup of 2014, the Thai junta and current Palang Pracharath-led government appear to have leaned closer to China by forging submarine, high-speed rail, and vaccine deals with Beijing.

 

In response, critics have expressed concern that China’s political and economic influence on Thailand is increasing.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/chinas-poverty-solution-hailed-as-model-for-thailand/

 

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[Shuya]

The union with the motherland is getting closer

[DirtyHarry55]

Or maybe they're happy with the high level of kickbacks China pays?
Surprised they're not worried about the communism factor.

[The Cipher]

Fixing culture and mindset, especially on a national level, is a very hard thing to do.

[Excel]

39 minutes ago, Shuya said:

The union with the motherland is getting closer

But most, if not all of the Thai hierarchy are of Chinese origin anyway.

[John Drake]

Nothing else seems to work.

[AquaThai]

One day Thailand  will once again be part of China.  One day they will accept  all things Chinese and well it will not be Thailand any more it will be what China wants,  another country to add to its collective.

[86Tiger]

1 hour ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

Or maybe they're happy with the high level of kickbacks China pays?
Surprised they're not worried about the communism factor.

 

I don't think surprising at all; military junta.......

[NCC1701A]

yes. lets all invest in Thailand. 

[TheFreqFlyer]

1 hour ago, Excel said:

But most, if not all of the Thai hierarchy are of Chinese origin anyway.

True, but their IQ is many points lower than that of the mainland Chinese. 

 

Aside from some business dealings, which only Chinese speaking Thais will be successful in (and not many Thais can speak Chinese), and some admiration of how the Chinese run their country with an iron fist, Chinese-Thais and mainland Chinese don't have much in common.

 

I find urban Chinese-Thais, especially the yellow shirts (and even some red shirt leaning ones) to be highly authoritarian in their views. Your average Chinese is generally not like that. If they are, it's because they're brainwashed, but most are quite reasonable people. I find many urban Chinese-Thais to be a bunch of religious cultists, who know nothing but government worship. They rarely possess the skills or knowledge to innovate or do anything to make their country a better place. 

 

This contrasts significantly with the mainland Chinese, many of whom have this business acumen that Thais simply don't possess. Unless you're CP or Minor (run by a naturalized Thai originally from the USA, Bill Heinecke) or Central Group, you don't stand a chance at making it here. Thailand is a hostile country for SMEs. Unlike China - where as a Chinese citizen, the government encourages and allows relative freedom in private enterprise. 

[mfd101]

I think all Third World countries have much to learn from China, but of course China's impressive achievements in all areas of its economy over the last 40 years have occurred within an authoritarian political framework.

 

On the other hand, try to imagine China as a modern liberal democracy, loud & boisterous. Impossible to achieve, I should think. Simply too big, too complex, too many competing ethnic groups around the margins (Mongols, Uighurs, Tibetans) & north vs south. The first thing that would happen is that the country would fall apart into at least 5 hostile & competing independent entities ...

[smedly]

2 hours ago, DirtyHarry55 said:

Surprised they're not worried about the communism factor.

That can only happen by force using military control 

 

 

- oh wait, isn't Thailand under ..................................................

[kingstonkid]

"The Chinese government says rural families were also relocated to new areas with better infrastructure and services, sometimes making way for conservation areas. Members of poor families were then hired to patrol conservation forests, according to official state information."

 

So people living in a slum along the Chao praya are going to willing let their houses be destroyed and be forced to move to a different part of Bangkok and put into a forced labour camp and workforce working for Nike for 300 baht a day or working construction.

 

Nope sorry can't see it.  The first thing the government would have to do is stop all foreign labourers.  

 

again can't see it.

[sqwakvfr]

How a nation with over a billion people got out of poverty?:  One Child Per Family.  Selective Abortion of girls.

 

Does Thailand really want to follow this example?  If so then good luck.  Right now China has a gender imbalance problem.  Too many men and not enough women.  

[The Cipher]

2 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

How a nation with over a billion people got out of poverty?:  One Child Per Family.  Selective Abortion of girls.

 

Do you by any chance have a source for poverty reduction in China being driven specifically by sex selective abortion rather than, I don't know, export-oriented industrialization?

[RichardColeman]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Thai politicians and academics are showing a growing interest in China’s experience in poverty reduction.

Sounds more like they are investigating how to deal with the poor for longer while the ho-so get richer

[HOAX]

So the Chinese model they're talking about is lowering the bar for what is considered poverty from $1.90 to $1.69 per day to make it seem like they've reducing poverty. Wouldn't say less than $620 a year is something to jump hurray over, especially considering cost of living, both in cities and rural areas, has skyrocketed over the last decade. 600 million people in China makes less than $140 a month, less than $4.70 a day. While it's an improvement, its still almost half the country's population struggling from month to month.

[rcuthbert]

Watch Chinese TV commercials with the volume muted. It reveals a window into their social structure, and the minds that maintain it.

[holy cow cm]

2 hours ago, The Cipher said:

Fixing culture and mindset, especially on a national level, is a very hard thing to do.

In China's case it is forced. In North Korea's case you do or you are shot.

[Ventenio]

soon all falangs will go to a "re-education" camp.......what???  too sensitive to the Chinese???  

 

there's isn't a perfect place in the world....but some are worse than others.  i would model after Japan to some extent, America to some extent, Germany to some extent, and Finland to some extent.  

 

i also wouldn't believe things from a country that doesn't allow you to fact check anything.......but that's just me

[holy cow cm]

Well if these Junta r-holes think of going the communistic way because they want more control, then I hope the good Thai people stand up and fight to the tooth and nail eliminating them and their families off the face of the earth. China and its ways need to be driven bye bye with any force imaginable as it is clear nothing honest or ever good comes from them and their communistic control ways. 

[sqwakvfr]

"Do you by any chance have a source for poverty reduction in China being driven specifically by sex selective abortion rather than, I don't know, export-oriented industrialization?"

 

No. 

 

Fewer children, fewer women to marry.  Fewer mouths to feed. In a similar way S. Korea helped to  reduce it's poverty during the late 1950's and 1960's by encouraging the foreign adoption of it's unwanted children.  It was part of the overall strategy that was never officially acknowledged.  Imagine if the Chinese Government allowed all families to have as many kids as they wanted during the 1950's, 1960's and 1970's.  It is difficult to feed and house 1.4 Billion as it is.  There is no quantifiable data because it is China.  Virtually impossible to get this type of data out of China.  I do not discount the progress China has made due to industrialization or even innovation(in some cases stolen from other countries) but population reduction due to governmental policies was a major factor.  

 

Number one priority in Asia is: Do not Lose Face, especially to a Foreigner". 

[Pedrogaz]

Well I suppose we have been following the US model for many years now and the 0.01% have ended up with almost all the wealth, just like in the states. Why not try the Chinese model, they have been the most effective country anywhere in the world in eradicating poverty and combatting illiteracy.

[Hayduke]

China’s poverty solution hailed as model for Thailand

 

 

Everything....about China is being 'hailed' as a model for Thailand. Sadly, the generals have cashed in/sold out and Thailand is effectively finished as an independent country. Just need to start hoisting images of Emperor Xi everywhere and switch to a stylish new red flag.

 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2021 by Hayduke

[Mavideol]

wonder how long it will take from China to list Thailand as another Chinese province.... look at HK and Macau and the fake promises, now they are pushing their interest in Myanmar (bullying /menacing Taiwan with "so called" military exercises)  while at the same time sending military vessels,  disguised as fishing boats,  to the  Philippines .... but Xi said that Chinese are not invaders but again his best friend Vlad said the same thing and Crimea was taken from Ukraine

[holy cow cm]

13 minutes ago, Ventenio said:

soon all falangs will go to a "re-education" camp.......what???  too sensitive to the Chinese???  

 

there's isn't a perfect place in the world....but some are worse than others.  i would model after Japan to some extent, America to some extent, Germany to some extent, and Finland to some extent.  

 

i also wouldn't believe things from a country that doesn't allow you to fact check anything.......but that's just me

Nicely spoken. Switzerland and Sweden are other good role models to follow. Anything of any model coming from China is a one way road to the sewer of hades.

[John Drake]

25 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Well I suppose we have been following the US model for many years now and the 0.01% have ended up with almost all the wealth, just like in the states. Why not try the Chinese model, they have been the most effective country anywhere in the world in eradicating poverty and combatting illiteracy.

 

I dislike the Chinese government, although I greatly appreciate and enjoy dealing with Chinese people. But you're correct. People in SE Asia have two models to look at before them, China or the US. Increasingly, China looks better simply because it looks stronger. That makes certain governments in this region grovel before the Chinese. But they in turn, receive groveling from US diplomats.  Easy to see who is on top and who is on bottom.

[ravip]

People in SE Asia have two models to look at before them, China or the US. 

 

LOL LOL LOL Obvious who's  the better evil!

Edited May 15, 2021 by ravip

[ravip]

1 hour ago, Pedrogaz said:

Well I suppose we have been following the US model for many years now and the 0.01% have ended up with almost all the wealth, just like in the states. Why not try the Chinese model, they have been the most effective country anywhere in the world in eradicating poverty and combatting illiteracy.

This is a very very bitter pill for some to swallow...

But the wheel is turning... slowly, but surely.

 

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Edited May 15, 2021 by ravip

[candide]

13 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

I dislike the Chinese government, although I greatly appreciate and enjoy dealing with Chinese people. But you're correct. People in SE Asia have two models to look at before them, China or the US. Increasingly, China looks better simply because it looks stronger. That makes certain governments in this region grovel before the Chinese. But they in turn, receive groveling from US diplomats.  Easy to see who is on top and who is on bottom.

They have much more than two models to follow, starting with the four dragons. Actually, China mainly adapted the SK model of catching-up in a more administered and directed way.