Serbian Volleyball Player Punished

[snoop1130]

 

ITALY, June 9 (TNA) – The Federation Internationale de Volleyball (FIVB) banned a female Serbian player for two matches and fined her volleyball federation 700,000 baht for her inappropriate gesture in a match in which her team defeated Thailand during the Nations League.

 

FIVB through its disciplinary sub-committee found Sanja Djurdjevic violating its discipline for the inappropriate gesture during the match on June 1.

 

Serbian player Sanja Djurdevic drew two fingers to the side of her face to make the “slanty-eyes” gesture after a Thai player’s failure to score a point during the match.

 

Full Story: https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-713699

 

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[connda]

In this day and age that was simply stupid and immature.
 

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, connda said:

In this day and age that was simply stupid and immature.
 

 

And that's a sad indictment of "this day and age"

 

Smack talk.  It's part of the game.  Always has been, always should be.  If you're sensitive, take up a different vocation.

 

[bannork]

34 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

And that's a sad indictment of "this day and age"

 

Smack talk.  It's part of the game.  Always has been, always should be.  If you're sensitive, take up a different vocation.

 

If you're insensitive, boorish and ignorant, then stick to your sport at the local level, amongst fellow idiots. There's no place for you on the international stage 

[Justgrazing]

1 hour ago, snoop1130 said:

(FIVB) banned a female Serbian player for two matches and fined her volleyball federation 700,000 baht for her inappropriate gesture in a match

 

Serb's her right .. 

[Captain Monday]

Good teaching opportunity for a 24 year old adult.

Crude racial taunting wont be tolerated in intl sports competition

Or maybe return to Serbia and join an ultraright party

[impulse]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

If you're insensitive, boorish and ignorant, then stick to your sport at the local level, amongst fellow idiots. There's no place for you on the international stage 

 

Only snowflakes allowed, eh?

 

[richard_smith237]

24 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Only snowflakes allowed, eh?

 

 

 

The logic you have presented so far in this thread is one of a flawed binary mindset..... 

.... if someone is not racist, they are a snowflake, or, only snowflakes are offended by racism. 

 

 

There is nothing wrong with competitive banter and smack talk, but there is a line...  those who suggest stepping over that line into racism is not acceptable are not snowflakes, they are just regular decent people... y’know, not racists !

 

 

 

[rcuthbert]

Well, at least she didn't attach a masculine pronoun to a gender neutral sentence.

[Chris.B]

Over the top, wok reaction. She had already apologised for her action. That should be enough and an end to it. 

Edited June 9, 2021 by Chris.B

[impulse]

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

There is nothing wrong with competitive banter and smack talk, but there is a line...  those who suggest stepping over that line into racism is not acceptable are not snowflakes, they are just regular decent people... y’know, not racists !

 

More like righteous indignation out looking for an excuse to unleash itself.

 

Which is rich coming from a forum where posters would have you believe that all Thai men are emotional children, all Thai women go down for dollars, all Thai drivers suck swamp water, there's no such thing as planning in Thailand, and...and...  You get the drift.  Real, mean spirited racism.  Not the imaginary, "boohoo she's a racist" kind.

 

Edited June 9, 2021 by impulse

[RichardColeman]

If there is ever another war, it appears the winning trench will be the ones shouting abuse and gesticulating to the snowflakes in the enemy trench as they burst out in tears and run away crying. Modern day cry babies. Grow up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[nkg]

8 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

fined her volleyball federation 700,000 baht for her inappropriate gesture

 

 

The Volleyball Federation of Serbia are questioning the fine. "How are we supposed to convert our Serbian Dinars into 700,000 Thai Baht?" a spokesman said. "When I went to my local currency exchange booth, they looked at me like I was some kind of idiot"

[simon43]

Yawn... is it no longer OK to make jokes about other races and nationalities?

 

Father Ted - I am Chinese

 

I'm glad that this wokey world has passed me by - I still laugh myself silly at Alf Garnett, Father Ted etc etc.

 

Now are there any jokes about Serbian people?  Bunch of Muslim-slaying murderers the lot of them ????

[bannork]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Only snowflakes allowed, eh?

 

Anyone can be abusive, there's just no place for it on the world stage.

As I said in another thread, it's a pity the Thai girls didn't shout out 'Srebrenica' in response.

[JonnyF]

13 minutes ago, bannork said:

As I said in another thread, it's a pity the Thai girls didn't shout out 'Srebrenica' in response.

 

Well first that would have required the Thai team to have a knowledge of history outside the borders of Thailand. Highly unlikely.

 

Secondly, the Serbs would have wondered why the Thais are shouting "Leblenican" ????.

[TooBigToFit]

She's a slow one for sure but who knows what she learns in her culture. As many people said, it just isn't a place for racism. Stopping it and the fine are the right way to deal with it. Would you like to go to immigration and have an officer there say 'F@@king Farang' as you walked up to do your paperwork? Of course, some may think racism but there's no need for out in public places. When these online forums were new, there was a lot of openness but even here it's been cleaned up a bit. We all have some gripes but it's all been for the better.

 

Still, I will say that impulse does have a point about some people here stereotyping. It is human nature to some extent, but we should all try to see the truth and be fair.

 

Anyways, this punishment of the athlete is just another small step to a better world overall.

[Ireland32]

The Serbs on FB didn’t have a problem with this , til

you call them

out on it snd they jump

down your throat , Nationalistic Serbs 

[Neeranam]

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

The logic you have presented so far in this thread is one of a flawed binary mindset..... 

.... if someone is not racist, they are a snowflake, or, only snowflakes are offended by racism. 

 

 

There is nothing wrong with competitive banter and smack talk, but there is a line...  those who suggest stepping over that line into racism is not acceptable are not snowflakes, they are just regular decent people... y’know, not racists !

 

 

 

Rubbish, they are too sensitive. When I played international rugby I was called a sweaty sock by some players, and got my nuts crushed by some prop that looked lie a bulldog. All part of the game. 

[Captain Monday]

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Rubbish, they are too sensitive. When I played international rugby I was called a sweaty sock by some players, and got my nuts crushed by some prop that looked lie a bulldog. All part of the game. 

Is it as bad as this,  to say sweaty sock (cockney slang) while both sides of the pitch enjoy similar  privilege in a power structure of white supremacy?

[robblok]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

 

More like righteous indignation out looking for an excuse to unleash itself.

 

Which is rich coming from a forum where posters would have you believe that all Thai men are emotional children, all Thai women go down for dollars, all Thai drivers suck swamp water, there's no such thing as planning in Thailand, and...and...  You get the drift.  Real, mean spirited racism.  Not the imaginary, "boohoo she's a racist" kind.

 

Good comeback however it does not make your point right. Richard was right in what he stated. Big difference between some smack talk and racism. But your right there are a lot of people here that are quite racist you see it all the time in postings. 

 

Does not make this any better though makes both things wrong. 

[placeholder]

7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

More like righteous indignation out looking for an excuse to unleash itself.

 

Which is rich coming from a forum where posters would have you believe that all Thai men are emotional children, all Thai women go down for dollars, all Thai drivers suck swamp water, there's no such thing as planning in Thailand, and...and...  You get the drift.  Real, mean spirited racism.  Not the imaginary, "boohoo she's a racist" kind.

 

Seems to me there's a high correlation between people who defend this kind of racist conduct and those who criticize Thai culture on the grounds of it being racist against farangs.

Edited June 10, 2021 by placeholder

[Neeranam]

24 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Is it as bad as this,  to say sweaty sock (cockney slang) while both sides of the pitch enjoy similar  privilege in a power structure of white supremacy?

There were black players on each side.

[Captain Monday]

5 hours ago, simon43 said:

Yawn... is it no longer OK to make jokes about other races and nationalities?

 

Father Ted - I am Chinese

 

I'm glad that this wokey world has passed me by - I still laugh myself silly at Alf Garnett, Father Ted etc etc.

 

Now are there any jokes about Serbian people?  Bunch of Muslim-slaying murderers the lot of them ????

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese,_Japanese,_dirty_knees

I actually remember this used to taunt  of Asian  American kids ALWAYS

accompanied by the pulling of eyes back to identify the object of the bullies hatred. And it was considered normal to say Oriental. I remember once in PE class a boy abused by classmates

The coach caught them in the act.  A Chinese American, stopped class and gave us a profanity laced lecture on what it was like to grow up Chinese a generation before.  

A bad memory, us boys would have been 12-13 by then. 

 

America, fundamentally racist history but we are moving ahead. Is Serbia is all white and they have not had to deal with this? That's why it is a good learing experience foe a 24 year old athlete (she should know better by now) The slit eyed taunts have been a problem in otters sport as well

[Rampant Rabbit]

4 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

otters sport

pesky  otters!???? they been taunting the fish again blowing  bubbles or something?

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Rubbish, they are too sensitive. When I played international rugby I was called a sweaty sock by some players, and got my nuts crushed by some prop that looked lie a bulldog. All part of the game. 

Well as the international federation overseeing volleyball has banned her for 2 games, I don't believe it is part of the game...

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Rubbish, they are too sensitive. When I played international rugby I was called a sweaty sock by some players, and got my nuts crushed by some prop that looked lie a bulldog. All part of the game. 

 

I too played Rugby (for my Uni), abuse was common. 

 

Is ’sweaty sock’ racist? (a scottish person of any race can be a ‘jock’ - sweaty sock, right ?)... is that racially offensive ?? 

 

I think you will find that it (the ball crushing) is no longer part of the game... 

Joe Marler received a 10 match ban for this ‘nut cracker’... 

 

 

 

[Surelynot]

First wife was Serbian...she was scary.

[richard_smith237]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

 

More like righteous indignation out looking for an excuse to unleash itself.

 

Which is rich coming from a forum where posters would have you believe that all Thai men are emotional children, all Thai women go down for dollars, all Thai drivers suck swamp water, there's no such thing as planning in Thailand, and...and...  You get the drift.  Real, mean spirited racism.  Not the imaginary, "boohoo she's a racist" kind.

 

 

Flawed respsone...

 

The volleyball players actions specifically targeted the Thailand players facial features, a feature of race. On the public and international stage this is not acceptable. 

 

IF we argue that Thai drivers suck swamp water, that would be behavioural not racist. Further more, if argue some drivers in Thailand suck, that would be criticising the driving of some, not the race.

 

All the examples you have provided present a criticism of behaviour, not criticism based on race. 

 

There is a difference... as I wrote, a line, which this volleyball player stepped over into racism. 

 

The problem with racists - they can’t see the difference and justify their believes or present their defence with strawman arguments similar to those you provide above. 

 

There is no doubt the volleyballers behaviour was racists... Is it a big deal, It is for some. If someone has grown up all their life and had that ‘stretch your eyes gesture' thrown at them regularly because of their race, the gesture becomes offensive. 

 

The Federation Internationale de Volleyball also believe so - your opinion is on the wrong side of the ‘right-wrong line’ in this case. 

 

 

 

 

[mlmcleod]

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

If there is ever another war, it appears the winning trench will be the ones shouting abuse and gesticulating to the snowflakes in the enemy trench as they burst out in tears and run away crying. Modern day cry babies. Grow up.

 

Wow! This is a perfect demonstration of the mindset of the Republican Party under Trump! Thank you for your clarification!