Re: using Astra Zeneca Vaccine

[Banana7]

Big story in Reuters now to stop using Astra Zeneca vaccine, quote from the head of the EU drug regulator's COVID-19 task force.

 

See here: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/astrazeneca-shots-should-be-halted-over-60s-too-ema-official-2021-06-13/

 

 

[Lacessit]

When I see data comparing the risk of dying from COVID more favorably than that of dying after being vaccinated with A-Z, I might give the report more credibility.

 

"In a pandemic context, our position was and is that the risk-benefit ratio remains favourable for all age groups," COVID-19 task force chief Marco Cavaleri told the Italian newspaper La Stampa.

 

Until then, it's scaremongering.

[worgeordie]

What to do..What to do, ? , I am booked in for AstraZeneca jab

beginning of next month, and I am well over 60 ..it's OK saying

more chance getting killed on way to hospital , but getting or

not getting the jab ,is my choice, there was a report 12 people

still died from Covid after they had gotten 2 jabs ...in UK.

regards worgeordie

[CharlieH]

"It resumed them the following month with the recommendation that the product be "preferably" used for people over the age of 60, after the EMA said its benefits outweighed any risks."

 

Its always been my understanding that the general application in Thailand was under 60 Sinovac over 60 AZ.Which also falls in line with the above.

[scubascuba3]

Doesn't bother me, more for us if people don't want it

[Gulfsailor]

11 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

What to do..What to do, ? , I am booked in for AstraZeneca jab

beginning of next month, and I am well over 60 ..it's OK saying

more chance getting killed on way to hospital , but getting or

not getting the jab ,is my choice, there was a report 12 people

still died from Covid after they had gotten 2 jabs ...in UK.

regards worgeordie

Maybe. Then again, nearly 130,000 people died from Covid in the UK before they had a chance to be vaccinated…

[Surelynot]

Just reads like a sensible risk management exercise now things in the West are coming back under control and different vaccines become available......no great shakes.

[Sheryl]

The title  is a mischaracterization.

 

The recommendation - which is from one individual and  has nto yet been formally adapted - is specific only to setting where (1) the pandemic is under control and (2) mRNA vaccines are readily available.

 

Neither of which is at all the case currently in Thailand.

 

Note "In a pandemic context, our position was and is that the risk-benefit ratio remains favourable for all age groups," COVID-19 task force chief Marco Cavaleri told the Italian newspaper La Stampa."  

 

and

 

"The European Medicines Agency (EMA) considers the Astra Zeneca shot safe for all age groups."

[cclub75]

30 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Until then, it's scaremongering.

 

Like a so called "pandemic" that killed 1 500 people in 15 months in a country of nearly 70 millions of people...

 

Most of those deads were old and already sick (this profil is common, everywhere).

 

Yeah... indeed... scaremongering.

[scorecard]

36 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

What to do..What to do, ? , I am booked in for AstraZeneca jab

beginning of next month, and I am well over 60 ..it's OK saying

more chance getting killed on way to hospital , but getting or

not getting the jab ,is my choice, there was a report 12 people

still died from Covid after they had gotten 2 jabs ...in UK.

regards worgeordie

 

I had my first inoculation of AZ here in Australia about 6 weeks ago, no side effects whatever, I'm 76 yo.

 

In my very big village just Nth of Sydney most residents are 60 and older. Many have had their first AZ jab, a very large % of folks have had no reaction whatever.

 

A few have had minor reactions, all cleared within 10 minutes to a few hours. There's no mention across the village residents or comments from the dr. and nurses  or the village management of any clotting reaction.

Edited June 13, 2021 by scorecard

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

 

Like a so called "pandemic" that killed 1 500 people in 15 months in a country of nearly 70 millions of people...

 

Most of those deads were old and already sick (this profil is common, everywhere).

 

Yeah... indeed... scaremongering.

 

You don’t think placing the country under Emergency Decree, preventing free travel into Thailand and locking down had an impact on keeping the numbers low ?

 

Your interpretation that 1500 people were killed with our without mitigation factors ????

 

The comments are all the same from people who don’t know they are not that sharp. This is not a virus which only killed 1500 people in Thailand - such comments are deliberately simplifying and dumbing down reality... This is a pandemic which would have killed a lot more had measures not been taken. 

 

Now, the continued measures need to be vaccination if any form of normalcy is to return.

 

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

The headline from this article should be changed because it is misleading.

 

The headline of the linked article is: AstraZeneca shots should be halted for over-60s too - EMA official

[bkk6060]

The U.S. is giving away millions of doses to other countries as no one wants it and they have much better available.

Thailand has the 2 most controversial vaccines being jabbed way to go.

Edited June 13, 2021 by bkk6060

[Heng]

21 minutes ago, cclub75 said:

 

Like a so called "pandemic" that killed 1 500 people in 15 months in a country of nearly 70 millions of people...

 

Most of those deads were old and already sick (this profil is common, everywhere).

 

Yeah... indeed... scaremongering.

 

Why skip over countries with vast death tolls in this argument?    Just old people.   I'd like to have my old people around for as long as possible, after all they raised me and got me my vaccinations when I was little.   ????

[connda]

Quote

EMA said its benefits outweighed any risks.

But at the end of the day only you, dear shot recipient, can make that decision for yourself with "informed consent."  And "informed" means understanding all of the potential risks that you are personally accepting which means educating yourself regarding all sides of the issue. 

[GreasyFingers]

1 hour ago, worgeordie said:

What to do..What to do, ? , I am booked in for AstraZeneca jab

beginning of next month, and I am well over 60 ..it's OK saying

more chance getting killed on way to hospital , but getting or

not getting the jab ,is my choice, there was a report 12 people

still died from Covid after they had gotten 2 jabs ...in UK.

regards worgeordie

Man up.

[moogradod]

Even if some might accuse me of scaremongering I just recommend one thing for anybody who can speak German: Google "Astra Zeneca Nebenwirkungen" and then you might maybe be interested in the following: https://de.rt.com/meinung/116950-astrazeneca-gefaehrliche-nebenwirkung-viel-haeufiger-als-angenommen/

 

I just want to point out that there is such a publication - nothing more. As @conndaposted above it is you alone that must make the decision what to believe and how to act. I do not recommend anything.

[Golden Triangle]

33 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

I had my first inoculation of AZ here in Australia about 6 weeks ago, no side effects whatever, I'm 76 yo.

 

In my very big village just Nth of Sydney most residents are 60 and older. Many have had their first AZ jab, a very large % of folks have had no reaction whatever.

 

A few have had minor reactions, all cleared within 10 minutes to a few hours. There's no mention across the village residents or comments from the dr. and nurses  or the village management of any clotting reaction.

Can I ask if they took your BP prior to the jab or anyone else for that matter as they seem to a bit anal here, if your BP is up you don't get it. TIA

[connda]

5 minutes ago, Heng said:

 

Why skip over countries with vast death tolls in this argument?    Just old people.   I'd like to have my old people around for as long as possible, after all they raised me and got me my vaccinations when I was little.   ????

This almost reads like, "Give it to the old people.  No biggie!"  And now.  "Warning - some within the scientific community recommend not giving it to old people either." 
Well - you can't sell your product if that happens, so it's best to find captured regulators who will rubber stamp it with a blanket "its benefits outweighed any risks" as we keep hearing. 
But that's only a decision an individual can make for themselves. 
There are huge vested interests who stand to lose money globally if AZ starts losing market share due to adverse reaction concerns. So, convince me that all government officials and regulators are above reproach and tell the public only the god's honest truth 100% of the time?  I've lived too long not to know the answer to that statement.  You'd have as much luck trying to convince me that Thailand is corruption free.  "Of course it is."  <wink wink>  ????

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

The title  is a mischaracterization.

Not only is it a mischaracterisation, it's trolling, contradictory misinformation.  How come the thread has not been closed?

 

All from the contradictory link...

1.   "Countries should also avoid giving the Astrazeneca coronavirus vaccine to people over 60..."

but...

"The European Medicines Agency (EMA) considers the Astrazeneca shot safe for all age groups".

 

2.   "the risk-benefit ratio remains favourable for all age groups"

but...

"should [authorities] avoid giving the Astrazeneca vaccine to people aged over 60, Cavaleri said: "Yes"

 

3.   "The Italian government said on Friday it would restrict the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine to people aged over 60"

but...

Italy's recommendation that the product be "preferably" used for people over the age of 60, after the EMA said its benefits outweighed any risks.

Edited June 13, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Banana7 said:

Big story in Reuters now to stop using Astra Zeneca vaccine

A completely inaccurate interpretation of a contradictory article.

[NanLaew]

The following is a good read on the tortured birth of the Oxford Astra Zeneca vaccine. It may give some insight into the ongoing travails.

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-04-08/why-astrazeneca-azn-covid-vaccine-was-plagued-with-errors

 

It is up to the individual to decide if they want to take any risks. However, maybe they should check their health insurance coverage first. For those that are older and may have been 'winging it' for years health-wise, possibly turning a blind eye to the early-onset symptoms of some the usual age-related ailments, maybe it's time invest in a good medical just to see make sure there's nothing that increases that risk?

[Mavideol]

my sister 71 years old took AZ 2 months ago, still having nausea, pain, sore muscles/body, fever, etc., she visited the and stayed at the  hospital 2 times already and feels a little better but not 100%, doctors don't want to give her 2nd dose, she had no previous conditions

Her husband, 73 years old, blood disease/disorder/hemophilia, got the Pfizer a little over 1 month ago, no side effects what soever, had the 2nd dose 5 days ago, again no problems at all

 

AZ had problems from the start with incorrectly reporting their testing.... I am 68 and don't want to have what my sister had, will wait for Moderna or Pfizer

[Heng]

33 minutes ago, connda said:

This almost reads like, "Give it to the old people.  No biggie!"  And now.  "Warning - some within the scientific community recommend not giving it to old people either." 
Well - you can't sell your product if that happens, so it's best to find captured regulators who will rubber stamp it with a blanket "its benefits outweighed any risks" as we keep hearing. 
But that's only a decision an individual can make for themselves. 
There are huge vested interests who stand to lose money globally if AZ starts losing market share due to adverse reaction concerns. So, convince me that all government officials and regulators are above reproach and tell the public only the god's honest truth 100% of the time?  I've lived too long not to know the answer to that statement.  You'd have as much luck trying to convince me that Thailand is corruption free.  "Of course it is."  <wink wink>  ????

 

Oh I'm as skeptical as they come (of course it's fishy that there they came up with a vaccine in record time just because we really needed to), but will get vaccinated.  

 

And actually of my parents 74/76, one refuses (fine) and the other had AZ (no issues other than the 2-3 day soreness and light fever as if she was in her 20s).   

[Caldera]

I'll go ahead with my AstraZeneca jab that I've booked an appointment for.

 

If others panic and that means that I'll get my 2nd jab sooner than the insane 16-week wait they now have planned, all the better!

 

[cyril sneer]

Sinovac is starting to sound like a better option than AZ 

[GreasyFingers]

55 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

my sister 71 years old took AZ 2 months ago, still having nausea, pain, sore muscles/body, fever, etc., she visited the and stayed at the  hospital 2 times already and feels a little better but not 100%, doctors don't want to give her 2nd dose, she had no previous conditions

Her husband, 73 years old, blood disease/disorder/hemophilia, got the Pfizer a little over 1 month ago, no side effects what soever, had the 2nd dose 5 days ago, again no problems at all

 

AZ had problems from the start with incorrectly reporting their testing.... I am 68 and don't want to have what my sister had, will wait for Moderna or Pfizer

My mate, 70 yo, apart from initial soreness if he raised his arm above his head, has not had a problem He is looking forward to his second dose in 2 weeks.

Does one experience counter the other.

[scubascuba3]

52 minutes ago, Heng said:

Oh I'm as skeptical as they come (of course it's fishy that there they came up with a vaccine in record time just because we really needed to),

Not that fishy when so much money was pumped into it and there were projects all over the world, it was kinda urgent

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, cclub75 said:

 

Like a so called "pandemic" that killed 1 500 people in 15 months in a country of nearly 70 millions of people...

 

Most of those deads were old and already sick (this profil is common, everywhere).

 

Yeah... indeed... scaremongering.

Another that just doesn't get it.

COVID is not the flu. The statistics are saying 30% of people that are infected with COVID require months of rehabilitation to repair the lung damage done, it's like a non-smoker that suddenly has a two-pack a day habit.

Ignorant post.

[moogradod]

29 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

Sinovac is starting to sound like a better option than AZ 

In some other thread not so long ago a member posted a story titled "We'll see". This one was spot on. After reading what was published in the German speaking press (and this includes universities and respectable institutes and even quoted statements from Astra Zeneca themselves) - for ME there is currently only one option: Wait for Moderna or Pfizer. We'll see - maybe those may be combined with sinovac. I would have never thought that I could ever accept that. My friends in Swtzerland have been given their shots of Moderna already quite some time ago.

 

Say hello if you see me shopping at Big C Extra in my whole body suit during the next 6 months or so.