THE WEEK THAT WAS Blame games everywhere as good and bad side of Covid response is highlighted

[rooster59]

 

Covid-19 - and all its bells and whistles - visited this columnist’s family this week. 

 

Our experiences over the last seven days highlight much of what is good and bad about the response to the pandemic and other health and social issues in Thailand. And mirrors the country as a whole from politicians and community leaders down to ordinary folk.

 

Rooster’s mother in law is not the healthiest person. She has chronic diabetes and has been in and out of hospital this year. Her husband has had a stroke a couple of years ago, yet they still manage to look after their second daughter’s two preteen children while she tries to scratch a living in Samut Prakan. 

 

However, after those hospitalizations and a toe amputation my wife’s sister decided that it was best to go and look after her mum. She took a bus to Loei a couple of weeks ago.

 

But last Sunday she came down with a fever and the next day at the local hospital she tested positive for Covid, the very first case in the village and was immediately quarantined in the hospital.

 

Yikes, the family of the only foreigner in the village had brought the lurgy to town!

 

An ambulance with staff in hazmat suits was dispatched to the House that Rooster Built. That was immediately surrounded by red tape.

 

The four family members were taken away, tested then returned home where they had to remain in isolation. The phoo yai ban was the only one who could bring food. The village school, due to open that day after two months shut, was ordered to stay closed. 

 

Covid for mum or dad with their underlying conditions (they still haven’t been vaccinated despite being in their mid-sixties) could have been serious but relief came next day when their tests and the preteens all came back negative. 

 

The phoo yai ban said to ignore some people who had already taken to social media in the village. He named no names but they’d been blaming my family for bringing Covid. Some comments had been very hurtful.

 

Talk about stigma! All my sister-in-law had done was go home to help an ailing mother when no other realistic option was available. Something Thais have been obliged to do since forever. Now the whole family was being blamed on social media!

 

The response of the medical teams in this district of Loei, well off the beaten track where there have been no infections, was excellent. The coordination of the phoo yai ban was good, too. 

 

The other villagers’ bitching was far less helpful. 

 

Elsewhere in Thailand the vaccination rollout shambles - for that is what it is - and the blame game continued. 

 

Rooster has been caught a little flat-footed too. I wrote recently that I fully expected the rollout to be successful very quickly. Wrong! 

 

Prayut has desperately been trying to keep hold of the reins of his shambolic government of misfits. 

 

His subalterns like health minister Anutin and tourism minister Pipat - billionaires both - haven’t got the first clue and are stumbling from one PR disaster to another. 

 

PR are Pipat’s initials so you’d think he’d know better!

 

Prayut even suggested an election; maybe he was trying to divert attention away from aces he thought he had in his pack as the House of Cards tumbled. 

 

The Phuket Sandbox is hanging by a thread. Believe the figures for the vaccination of people there if you will. 

 

Yes, some airlines are keen to fly in with direct flights, yes a small start to reopening to foreign tourists is better than no start at all. Or is it? Would Thailand not be better to concentrate on the domestic market first and face the undeniable fact that they are going to have another high season that is mostly obliterated?

 

By focusing on foreigners - that I can’t believe are interested in coming if they have to stay in Phuket for 14 days (foreigners wanting a ticket back to families would just quarantine in Bangkok) - they are set to scare away domestic tourism. 

 

Pipat has been utterly clueless since the outset. Remember when he said that 2020 Songkran breezes would blow the virus away? Now this. 

 

He should have concentrated on trying to inspire confidence in Bangkokians. They are loaded with spare cash now. If their confidence was raised by the prospect of flying to a safe beach holiday they’d make far more money than trying to get Europeans or Americans in longhaul. 

 

Malaysians are confined to barracks, most other Asians will wait and see and can play golf at home. As for the Chinese - they are not being allowed out and have plenty of domestic options of their own for now. 

 

The “Let’s attract a Million foreigners to Spend a Trillion Baht” scheme is just a sideshow. A watered down version of the TAT proposals will emerge one day that will satisfy no one except “face”. 

 

If you think that foreigners will really get tax breaks, truly be able to buy land, then think again would be my advice. 

 

The recovery of the property market is largely dependent on the Chinese. A report this week suggested that more than 50% of condos owned by foreigners are in the hands of Chinese nationals. Only those shelling out $500,000 on a room will get any advantages. 

 

The run-of the-mill digital nomads you see in Starbucks are small fry. The Thai government couldn’t give a monkey’s about them and are only letting them stay because having a few foreign faces in Thailand keeps up appearances!

 

Putting aside that the bars and entertainment is still not open, the final absurdity for the Phuket Sandbox  - some called it a nail in the coffin but the lid has already been sealed - was that foreigners would need to wear tracking wristbands. 

 

Pipat should be made to sit in a room tied to a chair while foreigners tell him how that sounds to their authoritarian fearing minds. He can expect more than the reported 50% that have already cancelled to vote with their feet. 

 

Failing that he should be made to read “1984” though I suspect he’d say that was then this is now, 2021 and we’ve moved on…..

 

Orwell’s that Ends Well, eh minister.

 

Also shambolic this week were data breaches revealed with some simple sleuthing by blogger Richard Barrow. First came the “intervac” site then immigration reporting.

 

In a democracy heads would roll. Here expect drums! A bit like the “ta-da” after a pathetic one liner one might hear at a Thai “cafe”!

 

In corruption news the latest way for bent local officials to afford BMWs has now been dubbed “Lamppostgate” (a Roosterism). Billion baht kinarees, ladies in boats selling mangoes, dancing fish and aeroplanes adorn the posts on roads that go to nowhere. 

 

While everyone knows where the budgets go, those especially deep and well-lined pockets beloved of Tambon Tea Leafs. 

 

The National Anti-Corruption Commission is investigating. I hope they have a big staff.

 

Some respite from the madness - at least for football fans -  came in the form of the start of Euro 2020, now shown on NBT2HD after the tycoon who owns the shoe firm Aerosoft coughed up 300 million baht. 

 

Not unreasonably the breaks in the matches feature advertising for Aerosoft though it is about as slick as a 1960’s British ad for Persil or a boy expounding the merits of Milky Bar. 

 

It’s clear that both the ads and other messages throughout the Euros are designed to bolster the Thai government with all the amateur “we’re doing this together for the benefit of everyone” angle. 

 

Prayut obviously made that a requirement when acceding to the tycoon who in turn was thrilled with showing his apparent largesse. 

 

One singer - they couldn’t afford At Carabao or get him in time  - intones nationalistic epithets in the manner of the legendary crooner. 

 

The authorities have even enlisted the Leicester EPL football team - owned by a Thai family who have bountiful lashings of boramee - to promote Phuket. Methinks the stars may go to Cleethorpes rather than face quarantine on return from SE Asian shores risking missing the start of the 2021-22 season!

 

In more light hearted news the large phallus erected in the road in Chachoengsao is, like the people who read the story, cracking up. 

 

Not much requested rain has arrived and what little that has fallen has got in the fissures threatening a potential wilt. 

 

What is needed is a big version of what Pattayans call condoms, those ghastly things they put on their beer bottles to keep them cool in the midday heat. 

 

Finally, as you might imagine Mrs R was a tad stressed early in the week with the news from the village though of course delighted that mum had dodged the Covid bullet. 

 

Along with the here today gone tomorrow reminder that Christian Eriksen’s cardiac arrest caused, we were discussing the future should one of us cark it. 

 

I lightheartedly insisted that before I go up in smoke I should be dressed in a Spurs kit, Kane on the back,  and sealed in a cheap coffin with a Scrabble board, two racks, 100 letters and a tile-bag. 

 

Her response was a little disconcerting: “Ror korn, ja ow paakaa maa jot”

 

Hang on, I’ll just get a pen to write that down.

 

Steady on lass, I’m not brown bread yet! 

 

Rooster 

 

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[Tropicalevo]

Nil Illegitimi carborundum.

Hope that the S-I-L recovers OK.

[Odysseus123]

Ah....social media and the Covid-a bit like Pandora's box (or jar, if you prefer)

[Rockhound]

Everyone is to blame.  Except the Chinese.

[rumak]

2 hours ago, rooster59 said:

 

The other villagers’ bitching was far less helpful. 

 

Elsewhere in Thailand the vaccination rollout shambles - for that is what it is - and the blame game continued. 

 

Rooster has been caught a little flat-footed too. I wrote recently that I fully expected the rollout to be successful very quickly. Wrong! 

 

I almost forgot what last weeks column was about.   Ahhhh,  now i remember :

Embrace  Thai culture - and give Thais the benefit of the doubt!

 

Oh well...........it was a pleasure to see no mention of "complainers "  this week.   Yes,

you had the podium all to yourself.    

 

"

"In corruption news the latest way for bent local officials to afford BMWs has now been dubbed “Lamppostgate” (a Roosterism). Billion baht kinarees, ladies in boats selling mangoes, dancing fish and aeroplanes adorn the posts on roads that go to nowhere. 

 

While everyone knows where the budgets go, those especially deep and well-lined pockets beloved of Tambon Tea Leafs."

 

embrace it man....... its all goooooood   ????

 

[Flying Saucage]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

By focusing on foreigners - that I can’t believe are interested in coming if they have to stay in Phuket for 14 days (foreigners wanting a ticket back to families would just quarantine in Bangkok) - they are set to scare away domestic tourism. 

 

Well, I think one thing is sure:

 

Tested and fully vaccinated tourists from Western countries, which have the situation better under control day by day now anyway, surely pose a much, much lower risk to Phuket than untested and unvaccinated domestic tourists roaming around. 

 

But correctly: Thais in their mindset of blaming foreigners for everything might not be able to understand and accept that.

 

This also might be one reason for the Phuket Sandbox: The government is in urgent need for new scapegoats, foreigners welcome!

[spidermike007]

This is nearly entirely on the shoulders of this hapless administration. Nearly all blame should be directed at them. They have never really explained how this blew up like it did. Or why the vaccination program has been such a failure.

 

Prayuth has attempted a few times to explain a few things, leaving everyone in a state of greater confusion. You mean he explained the near total lack of a program?
Or he explained why Thailand is so dreadfully behind the curve?
Or he explained why Thailand was dead last in ASEAN with vaccinations, before overtaking the PI?
Or he explained how we could have been beaten by even the PI, initially?
Or he explained why he did not order a tiny lockdown of a 2km. radius around the Samut Sakhon market, which very well may have led to this huge spike?
Or did he explain why he stuck with a health minister, who has no experience in the medical field, during a national emergency?

 

I know, I know, I know. I should have reacted when the outbreak happened back in December, and done the right thing by shutting down that area in Samut. 
I know. I should have taken the vaccine thing more seriously. I know, I should have had a more qualified health minister. I know, my pathological fear of the optics of a lockdown are causing many more cases than need be. And I know, I should have been more diligent with the borders, I should have cracked down on corrupt immigration officials, and kept my promise to fight corruption, and I should have and could have done better.

Do you want me to resign now? I know what is what you are thinking. I probably should. It sure would be the right thing to do.

Currently, the US is at just over 65% of people with at least one jab, and 55% fully vaccinated. Over 317 million doses administered to date. Thailand is at between 2% and 3%, fully vaccinated. What can one even say?

Dr. Tavida said that any country in this intense situation needs a leader that not only comes out strong but can also create confidence. A leader that can show empathy, and make sense of what is going on. More than likely only Prayuth and a small portion of his subordinates would describe him as being "strong". In terms of showing empathy, is that something we have ever seen from this man? He is as out of touch as them come. A true Ivory tower sort of guy. 
 
And in terms of making sense of what is going on, you need policy, competent ministers with experience in the fields their ministries are in charge of, and at least a tiny amount of vision and planning. Prayuth lacks every pre-requisite. So do most of his ministers. Especially Anutin and Pipat. Likely the two least qualified and least effective of the lot. One would think during a national emergency, a skilled and talented tourism and  health minister would be considered important. 
 
Lastly, he does not inspire confidence, as he has no follow up in his game, is highly insincere, and is grossly incompetent and under qualified for the job. One would think after 6 plus years he has had time to learn. That does not appear to be the case. He is a terrible leader. 

This kind of national emergency is real proof that Thailand should never allow another coup to happen. With a civilian government that is democratically elected, and a truly representative body in the senate, Thailand at least has a chance of qualified ministers being appointed based on merit and talent. 
 
With Prayuth and this army, there is little chance of this ever happening. They are re-defining the words cronyism and inept on a daily basis. Where is the anger? I am becoming furious at the incompetence and the AA (army apathy). Am I the only one? Anutin should have resigned, or been replaced in March of 2020, after Covid broke out. He was in way over his head long before Covid came around. He lacks experience, a background in the health field, and the only reason he was appointed, and is still in this position, is due to the power and the influence he has over his party. There is NO other reason. 
 
Get out. Get out now. Hopefully the people will no longer stand for incompetence. Not during an emergency. Not now. 
 
You completely blew the vaccination program!
 
You blew the response to Covid!
 
You blew the response to the outbreak in Samut back in December, which led to the 2nd wave!
 
What have you gotten right? It now appears the lack of cases during the 1st wave was dumb luck. 

So many questions, and so few answers.
1. Why five months away?
2. Why not Pfizer in the interim?
3. Why can't the private sector import the vaccines directly? Why does the stunningly incompetent government and health ministry need to be involved?
4. Why was there seemingly no planning, when it comes to the vaccination program?
5. Is this really the best they can do?
6. Why has Anutin not been replaced? His political connections aside, Thailand really needs competent leadership at this emergency juncture.
7. Is the government here (and possibly worldwide) totally bought and paid for, by Big Pharma?
8. Do the people of Thailand finally see how they have been misled, mishandled, bamboozled, forsaken, and abused by the hapless army, and the goons in charge? If they could not see it before, it is so obvious now. 

99.9% of the Thais I talk to are so far beyond fed up. And if the 3-5% who drank the kool-aid still believed, after this latest covid debacle, Prayuth, Anutin and the gang have been truly unmasked to a humiliating and inglorious degree.
 
Who could possibly still have any faith in their competence, and sincerity, at this point? 

[jerrymahoney]

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Get out. Get out now.

That and all the above may be futile as I don't think the PM speaks let alone reads much English. Maybe the only recorded attempt:

 

> He then attempted to illustrate his argument with a metaphor involving buttons on his shirt.

> “Thailand is a … look like a shirt, and the button the button … like this. The wrong, maybe … Thailand not only this, but maybe shirt and trousers.”

 

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/prayuth-shows-language-skills-australian-reporter/

[rumak]

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

99.9% of the Thais I talk to are so far beyond fed up

 

they don't want to get shot or put in jail . (isn't that what they would tell you ? )

 

pretty much the same scenario world over ..... though "western"  countries camouflage all the corruption and cronyism with much more ease.   after all,  they have the media in the fold .    

 

 

[tau152]

Personally, I believe that this pandemic was caused, deliberately or accidentally (I lean towards ‘deliberately’), by the actions of the Chinese Communist Party!!

And I further believe that the CCP should be held financially accountable!

Having said that, what is even more concerning to me is this ‘knee-jerk’ acceptance of the mass use of these ‘experimental vaccines’!  Consider the developing information that is coming from VAERS:  https://dailyallegiant.com/huge-jump-in-covid-19-vaxxed-related-deaths-are-occurring-all-around-the-world/?utm_source=DA-Mailer&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:35281178&utm_campaign=6-19 pm drop

Given this information, why hasn’t there been an immediate halt to these vaccination programs??? The spike in deaths appears to be incontrovertible evidence of the possible dangers of being vaccinated!  

[owl sees all]

36 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This is nearly entirely on the shoulders of this hapless administration. Nearly all blame should be directed at them. They have never really explained how this blew up like it did. Or why the vaccination program has been such a failure.

 

Prayuth has attempted a few times to explain a few things, leaving everyone in a state of greater confusion. You mean he explained the near total lack of a program?
Or he explained why Thailand is so dreadfully behind the curve?
Or he explained why Thailand was dead last in ASEAN with vaccinations, before overtaking the PI?
Or he explained how we could have been beaten by even the PI, initially?
Or he explained why he did not order a tiny lockdown of a 2km. radius around the Samut Sakhon market, which very well may have led to this huge spike?
Or did he explain why he stuck with a health minister, who has no experience in the medical field, during a national emergency?

 

I know, I know, I know. I should have reacted when the outbreak happened back in December, and done the right thing by shutting down that area in Samut. 
I know. I should have taken the vaccine thing more seriously. I know, I should have had a more qualified health minister. I know, my pathological fear of the optics of a lockdown are causing many more cases than need be. And I know, I should have been more diligent with the borders, I should have cracked down on corrupt immigration officials, and kept my promise to fight corruption, and I should have and could have done better.

Do you want me to resign now? I know what is what you are thinking. I probably should. It sure would be the right thing to do.

Currently, the US is at just over 65% of people with at least one jab, and 55% fully vaccinated. Over 317 million doses administered to date. Thailand is at between 2% and 3%, fully vaccinated. What can one even say?

Dr. Tavida said that any country in this intense situation needs a leader that not only comes out strong but can also create confidence. A leader that can show empathy, and make sense of what is going on. More than likely only Prayuth and a small portion of his subordinates would describe him as being "strong". In terms of showing empathy, is that something we have ever seen from this man? He is as out of touch as them come. A true Ivory tower sort of guy. 
 
And in terms of making sense of what is going on, you need policy, competent ministers with experience in the fields their ministries are in charge of, and at least a tiny amount of vision and planning. Prayuth lacks every pre-requisite. So do most of his ministers. Especially Anutin and Pipat. Likely the two least qualified and least effective of the lot. One would think during a national emergency, a skilled and talented tourism and  health minister would be considered important. 
 
Lastly, he does not inspire confidence, as he has no follow up in his game, is highly insincere, and is grossly incompetent and under qualified for the job. One would think after 6 plus years he has had time to learn. That does not appear to be the case. He is a terrible leader. 

This kind of national emergency is real proof that Thailand should never allow another coup to happen. With a civilian government that is democratically elected, and a truly representative body in the senate, Thailand at least has a chance of qualified ministers being appointed based on merit and talent. 
 
With Prayuth and this army, there is little chance of this ever happening. They are re-defining the words cronyism and inept on a daily basis. Where is the anger? I am becoming furious at the incompetence and the AA (army apathy). Am I the only one? Anutin should have resigned, or been replaced in March of 2020, after Covid broke out. He was in way over his head long before Covid came around. He lacks experience, a background in the health field, and the only reason he was appointed, and is still in this position, is due to the power and the influence he has over his party. There is NO other reason. 
 
Get out. Get out now. Hopefully the people will no longer stand for incompetence. Not during an emergency. Not now. 
 
You completely blew the vaccination program!
 
You blew the response to Covid!
 
You blew the response to the outbreak in Samut back in December, which led to the 2nd wave!
 
What have you gotten right? It now appears the lack of cases during the 1st wave was dumb luck. 

So many questions, and so few answers.
1. Why five months away?
2. Why not Pfizer in the interim?
3. Why can't the private sector import the vaccines directly? Why does the stunningly incompetent government and health ministry need to be involved?
4. Why was there seemingly no planning, when it comes to the vaccination program?
5. Is this really the best they can do?
6. Why has Anutin not been replaced? His political connections aside, Thailand really needs competent leadership at this emergency juncture.
7. Is the government here (and possibly worldwide) totally bought and paid for, by Big Pharma?
8. Do the people of Thailand finally see how they have been misled, mishandled, bamboozled, forsaken, and abused by the hapless army, and the goons in charge? If they could not see it before, it is so obvious now. 

99.9% of the Thais I talk to are so far beyond fed up. And if the 3-5% who drank the kool-aid still believed, after this latest covid debacle, Prayuth, Anutin and the gang have been truly unmasked to a humiliating and inglorious degree.
 
Who could possibly still have any faith in their competence, and sincerity, at this point? 

Wow!

 

That is some post 007. Pity to just put it here. Can you be read on other platforms?

 

Great stuff.

[brianthainess]

15 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

That and all the above may be futile as I don't think the PM speaks let alone reads much English. Maybe the only recorded attempt:

 

> He then attempted to illustrate his argument with a metaphor involving buttons on his shirt.

> “Thailand is a … look like a shirt, and the button the button … like this. The wrong, maybe … Thailand not only this, but maybe shirt and trousers.”

 

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/prayuth-shows-language-skills-australian-reporter/

He says at one point, ''I know everything'' what a pleb.

[xylophone]

13 minutes ago, tau152 said:

Personally, I believe that this pandemic was caused, deliberately or accidentally (I lean towards ‘deliberately’), by the actions of the Chinese Communist Party!!

And I further believe that the CCP should be held financially accountable!

Having said that, what is even more concerning to me is this ‘knee-jerk’ acceptance of the mass use of these ‘experimental vaccines’!  Consider the developing information that is coming from VAERS:  https://dailyallegiant.com/huge-jump-in-covid-19-vaxxed-related-deaths-are-occurring-all-around-the-world/?utm_source=DA-Mailer&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:35281178&utm_campaign=6-19 pm drop

Given this information, why hasn’t there been an immediate halt to these vaccination programs??? The spike in deaths appears to be incontrovertible evidence of the possible dangers of being vaccinated!  

This sums it up for me........

 

 

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

2. Why not Pfizer in the interim?
3. Why can't the private sector import the vaccines directly? Why does the stunningly incompetent government and health ministry need to be involved?

“We want to certify that the (Pfizer) company has no policy of selling the vaccine through any private agent. Until now, we have never imported the Covid-19 vaccine through our office in Thailand."

 

https://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/officials-deny-pfizer-vaccine-already-available-in-thailand-for-a-certain-group

[natway09]

With all due respect & I know her good intentions,  the infected lady (as we know now) should have had to do 14 days self quarantine (enforced by many provinces) 

as we did on travelling from Bangers to Tak province

[rumak]

1 hour ago, tau152 said:

Personally, I believe that this pandemic was caused, deliberately or accidentally (I lean towards ‘deliberately’), by the actions of the Chinese Communist Party!!

And I further believe that the CCP should be held financially accountable!

Having said that, what is even more concerning to me is this ‘knee-jerk’ acceptance of the mass use of these ‘experimental vaccines’!  Consider the developing information that is coming from VAERS:  https://dailyallegiant.com/huge-jump-in-covid-19-vaxxed-related-deaths-are-occurring-all-around-the-world/?utm_source=DA-Mailer&utm_medium=email&utm_content=subscriber_id:35281178&utm_campaign=6-19 pm drop

Given this information, why hasn’t there been an immediate halt to these vaccination programs??? The spike in deaths appears to be incontrovertible evidence of the possible dangers of being vaccinated!  

 

someone will be along shortly to have a "talk" with you ...........

[Mike k]

1 hour ago, rumak said:

 

they don't want to get shot or put in jail . (isn't that what they would tell you ? )

 

pretty much the same scenario world over ..... though "western"  countries camouflage all the corruption and cronyism with much more ease.   after all,  they have the media in the fold .    

 

 

In most civilized western countries you can say what you want about the government and it's leaders including the president or pm or whatever they have as a head of state without having to worry about being arrested and sent to jail 

[rumak]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

This sums it up for me........

 

 

 

that's pretty funny .      I have my own little favorite :  "I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment I could be you
Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is to see you "

 

and first thaivisa expert to get the song right..........  wins a jab of their  my choosing

[Neeranam]

I find it pathetic how Chinese looking Thais told Neeranam to put his mask over his nose and how his people were responsible for Covid. They didn't like Neeranam's comment that Covid came from China, as did they. 

[rumak]

2 minutes ago, Mike k said:

In most civilized western countries you can say what you want about the government and it's leaders including the president or pm or whatever they have as a head of state without having to worry about being arrested and sent to jail 

 

hmmmmmm  ????????

[Neeranam]

21 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

that's pretty funny .      I have my own little favorite :  "I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment I could be you
Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is to see you "

 

and first thaivisa expert to get the song right..........  wins a jab of their  my choosing

Sounds like the jester who sang in James Dean's coat. 

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, tau152 said:

Consider the developing information that is coming from VAERS: 

Given this information, why hasn’t there been an immediate halt to these vaccination programs??? The spike in deaths appears to be incontrovertible evidence of the possible dangers of being vaccinated!  

Fact Check-VAERS reported vaccine deaths have not been confirmed or deemed causal by CDC

The CDC explains here that VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event regardless of proof that it was caused by the vaccine.

VAERS did receive 4,178 reports of deaths (0.0017% of all vaccine doses) between Dec. 14, 2020 and May 3, 2021. However, these reports don’t point to a causal relationship between receiving the vaccine and death"

VERDICT
Missing context. There is no evidence that the deaths reported to VAERS after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine are caused by the vaccine. Healthcare providers are required to report any death after vaccination to VAERS.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2MZ2H8

[spidermike007]

41 minutes ago, rumak said:

 

someone will be along shortly to have a "talk" with you ...........

Isn't it called re-education? Guess my education was inadequate the first time around. Such a terrible thing when one speaks his mind in a "democratic nation". 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

That and all the above may be futile as I don't think the PM speaks let alone reads much English. Maybe the only recorded attempt:

 

> He then attempted to illustrate his argument with a metaphor involving buttons on his shirt.

> “Thailand is a … look like a shirt, and the button the button … like this. The wrong, maybe … Thailand not only this, but maybe shirt and trousers.”

 

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/prayuth-shows-language-skills-australian-reporter/

Nothing he has ever said or none suggests he could have the intelligence for a 2nd language. Unless you count army speak. 

[jerrymahoney]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Nothing he has ever said or none suggests he could have the intelligence for a 2nd language. Unless you count army speak. 

So how's he supposed to know he should get out NIOW?

[rumak]

Just now, spidermike007 said:

Isn't it called re-education? Guess my education was inadequate the first time around. Such a terrible thing when one speaks his mind in a "democratic nation". 

 

i am fairly well known (amongst the few i talk to ...)  for my cynicism.   No matter how much i hope that the world will one day "be a better place" ,   or that love is all you need,   or that one should "turn the other cheek",   or that honesty and truth will win out .............

 

experience just keeps coming back with " no good deed goes unpunished".

Oh,  if only it were true about Karma..... and "what goes around comes around"  

IF that were true it would be my delight to see the rulers of all nations working and

sweating and earning a real days pay for their LABOR ........ preferably mixing and pouring

the foundation for my house .   I am paying good wage:  500 baht per day !

 

[zyphodb]

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

That and all the above may be futile as I don't think the PM speaks let alone reads much English. Maybe the only recorded attempt:

 

> He then attempted to illustrate his argument with a metaphor involving buttons on his shirt.

> “Thailand is a … look like a shirt, and the button the button … like this. The wrong, maybe … Thailand not only this, but maybe shirt and trousers.”

 

https://coconuts.co/bangkok/news/prayuth-shows-language-skills-australian-reporter/

Probably a good job he doesn't read or understand as if he did, the only result would be a defamation charge and/or deportation...

[KarenBravo]

As predictable as the sun rising in the east.........

[zyphodb]

1 hour ago, Mike k said:

In most civilized western countries you can say what you want about the government and it's leaders including the president or pm or whatever they have as a head of state without having to worry about being arrested and sent to jail 

As long as you don't try to publish it in a way that will reach most of the people. Try that and you will be censored like a shot...

 

[zyphodb]

36 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Fact Check-VAERS reported vaccine deaths have not been confirmed or deemed causal by CDC

The CDC explains here that VAERS accepts reports of any adverse event regardless of proof that it was caused by the vaccine.

VAERS did receive 4,178 reports of deaths (0.0017% of all vaccine doses) between Dec. 14, 2020 and May 3, 2021. However, these reports don’t point to a causal relationship between receiving the vaccine and death"

VERDICT
Missing context. There is no evidence that the deaths reported to VAERS after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine are caused by the vaccine. Healthcare providers are required to report any death after vaccination to VAERS.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaers-deaths-idUSL1N2MZ2H8

Well they would say that, wouldn't they? being totally independent, and not funded by big pharma and their lackys... not.