Reopening bars: People drinking alcohol are difficult to control and risk spreading virus

[Danderman123]

Just now, James105 said:

 

I'd say bars are very much essential for the people that own them and the people that work in them which allows them to provide food (essential) for their family.    It's not all about you and your fear of the virus.    For anyone under 60 this virus is not the problem - they can cope with getting that - it's the (over) reaction to the virus that is causing so many problems e.g:

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/06/21/woman-and-her-mother-found-dead-in-suspected-double-suicide-in-pattaya-after-suffering-from-financial-problems-due-to-covid-19-measures/

The latest variant is attacking younger people.

 

even if younger people can survive the disease, they can carry the virus and infect others.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, lanng khao said:

Nothing wrong with drinking in a bar? So according to you you would have to travel to England as were the only country with a alcohol and bar culture..

Oh dear thin skin anyone. Are you denying the alcohol culture in the UK ? There are other countries too never said it was an exclusive UK thing. Point was not even about the alcohol culture but the fact that a country where they love their alcohol and pubs closing them. 

 

Point being that in such a culture that would be drastic last measure not taken lightly or not taken if there was no proof for. That was what i am talking about. I used it to strengthen the argument why it was not crazy to keep things close.

 

 

[DrJack54]

What's that saying ...everything in moderation.

The bars are very different now.

We had bars open after the wave that started around end March 2020 and now current wave started about same month 2021. 

Between those times there were months when bars were open. Guess what they pretty much had expats having a beer and with very few people.

There are very few tourists here.

When my friends come to Thailand for holiday they are on a holiday and fiss up. That's not currently happening.

Open bars that I attended during later part of last year and early this year we're empty. 

There are anti alcohol folk in these threads using terms such as "desperate for a drink" sad buggars.

 

Keep night clubs shut and have early closing hours .....perhaps 10 or 11pm. Open bars and restaurants. 

Let the wowsers go save some souls elsewhere.

Edited June 22, 2021 by DrJack54

[richard_smith237]

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The latest variant is attacking younger people.

 

even if younger people can survive the disease, they can carry the virus and infect others.

 

I’m in support of open air bars opening with some social distancing measures in place. 

 

However, it also makes a lot of sense to wait to find out how the Delta Variant impacts those who have been vaccinated - at least waiting until we know that vaccinations to have a positive impact on the Delta Variant.

 

 

 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

I'd say bars are very much essential for the people that own them and the people that work in them which allows them to provide food (essential) for their family.    It's not all about you and your fear of the virus.    For anyone under 60 this virus is not the problem - they can cope with getting that - it's the (over) reaction to the virus that is causing so many problems e.g:

 

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/06/21/woman-and-her-mother-found-dead-in-suspected-double-suicide-in-pattaya-after-suffering-from-financial-problems-due-to-covid-19-measures/

???? your a funny guy changing the definition of essential services.  

[Pmbkk]

36 minutes ago, robblok said:

Thailand is not the only country to close bars and pubs they did the same in the UK, so don't act like its a strange strategy its proven strategy even in alcohol loving UK. If they close pubs over there (and they have) it must work because there must be good reasons to disturb the pub culture there. Nobody would dare to touch it without good cause

 

They closed down the hairdressers at the same time. - we had to make sure people didn't go and get their hair cut.( you know what can happen in those place - with all those old girls getting a wash and dry ) ... ????

 

[rupert the bear]

a couple of things.the govts action spread it all over during the songkran debacle,whos been sacked or jailed for that but people whos livings have been taken from them are,2ndly we use an alcohol based sanitiser to wash the virus away entering many bldgs.so the virus enters thru nose and mouth,the nasal passage connects at the back of the throat to the windpipe and we drink alcohol so......lets drink sanitiser instead of beer,taste better than singh id say!joking aside.....?

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Pmbkk said:

 

They closed down the hairdressers at the same time. - we had to make sure people didn't go and get their hair cut.( you know what can happen in those place - with all those old girls getting a wash and dry ) ... ????

 

Oh dear, logic has left the building.

 

Of course hairdressers had to stop too you need to be in pretty close contact with someone for a longer time when cutting hair. But i would say a hairdresser is a lot more essential then a bar. 

[DrJack54]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

???? your a funny guy changing the definition of essential services.  

Where did he state bars are an essential service. 

[James105]

 

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Oh dear, logic has left the building.

 

Of course hairdressers had to stop too you need to be in pretty close contact with someone for a longer time when cutting hair. But i would say a hairdresser is a lot more essential then a bar. 

 

Why? 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, James105 said:

 

 

Why? 

Because they don't serve the the drink of the devil.

 

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

 

Why? 

Why.. now if you can't understand why a hairdresser was closed then how much logic and intelligence do you have ? I mean when my hair gets cut i got a hairdresser close to me for a longer period far closer then in most situations.

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, robblok said:

???? your a funny guy changing the definition of essential services.  

 

 

The difference between the UK and here is that those working in the customer service industry, restaurants, pubs, bars, clubs etc were furloughed, workers received 80% of the salary, business owners received grants. 

 

This is not happening in Thailand, as a result people have lost their businesses, workers have lost their income. 

 

For them, for many, many people an essential form of income has been lost, the government is not helping these people. 

 

No one has presenting the argument that nighclubs should remain closed - the debate rages on with regards to borderline venues.... The places that ‘could’ open with an element of social distancing.

 

The question begs: Is an element of social distancing sufficient in bars and restaurants?.  Is an element of social distancing sufficient in outdoor bars?. 

 

With the vast majority of new cases occurring in areas of high population density living and work, i.e. slums and factories, would social distancing measures be sufficient ?

 

I think with a balanced approach a ‘gentle relaxation’ of the rules to permit open air bars to open with continued social distancing measures in place (i.e. limit to 50% occupancy) would not be a careless step. 

 

 

 

Edited June 22, 2021 by richard_smith237

[lanng khao]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Oh dear thin skin anyone. Are you denying the alcohol culture in the UK ? There are other countries too never said it was an exclusive UK thing. Point was not even about the alcohol culture but the fact that a country where they love their alcohol and pubs closing them. 

 

Point being that in such a culture that would be drastic last measure not taken lightly or not taken if there was no proof for. That was what i am talking about. I used it to strengthen the argument why it was not crazy to keep things close.

 

 

You would put a glass eye to sleep..

[jacko45k]

1 hour ago, connda said:

  "Drinkers bad.  Cause Covid outbreaks." 

Well err, they did!

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, rupert the bear said:

a couple of things.the govts action spread it all over during the songkran debacle,whos been sacked or jailed for that but people whos livings have been taken from them are,2ndly we use an alcohol based sanitiser to wash the virus away entering many bldgs.so the virus enters thru nose and mouth,the nasal passage connects at the back of the throat to the windpipe and we drink alcohol so......lets drink sanitiser instead of beer,taste better than singh id say!joking aside.....?

 

Hand sanitiser and coke anyone ??? 

[BestB]

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

She is not wrong...

She is wrong. Third wave started by corrupt senior government official who brought Covid into a hiso bar in Thonglor and it spread from there.

 

it did not start because he was drunk but started because he returned from a casino in Cambodia bypassing any tests or quarantine.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

 

The difference between the UK and here is that those working in the customer service industry, restaurants, pubs, bars, clubs etc were furloughed, workers received 80% of the salary, business owners received grants. 

 

This is not happening in Thailand, as a result people have lost their businesses, workers have lost their income. 

 

For them, for many, many people an essential form of income has been lost, the government is not helping these people. 

 

No one has presenting the argument that nighclubs should remain closed - the debate rages on with regards to borderline venues.... The places that ‘could’ open with an element of social distancing.

 

The question begs: Is an element of social distancing sufficient in bars and restaurants.  Is an element of social distancing sufficient in outdoor bars. 

 

With the vast majority of new cases occurring in areas of high population density living and work, i.e. slums and factories, would social distancing measures be sufficient ?

 

I think with a balanced approach a ‘gentle relaxation’ of the rules to permit open air bars to open with continued social distancing measures in place (i.e. limit to 50% occupancy) would not be a careless step. 

 

 

 

Richard, I must have forgotten how bars work. But I always thought that part of the fun in bars was to get close talk loud have a lot of friends around you and drink. (clouding judgement). Unlike you i just don't see it work the whole social distancing work in a place that is ment for socializing. I also don't see how this will be policed and how it will work when people get drunk and disobey. Do you really think bars will expell customers ? i doubt it.

 

Lets agree to disagree.

[James105]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Why.. now if you can't understand why a hairdresser was closed then how much logic and intelligence do you have ? I mean when my hair gets cut i got a hairdresser close to me for a longer period far closer then in most situations.

 

You said:  "But i would say a hairdresser is a lot more essential then a bar."

 

I simply asked you why is a hairdresser more essential than a bar?   I wasn't referring to why a hairdresser should or should not be closed, I am asking why it is more essential - in your opinion.   

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think with a balanced approach a ‘gentle relaxation’ of the rules to permit open air bars to open with continued social distancing measures in place (i.e. limit to 50% occupancy) would not be a careless step. 

Very good post. Frankly I think you would be very surprised at the numbers. 

If bars were open you would be surprised how few customers they would have, especially pre 7pm.

Make them shut 10pm easy peasy.

 

 

[DrJack54]

1 minute ago, James105 said:

 

You said:  "But i would say a hairdresser is a lot more essential then a bar."

 

I simply asked you why is a hairdresser more essential than a bar?   I wasn't referring to why a hairdresser should or should not be closed, I am asking why it is more essential - in your opinion.   

Head lice?

[robblok]

Just now, James105 said:

 

You said:  "But i would say a hairdresser is a lot more essential then a bar."

 

I simply asked you why is a hairdresser more essential than a bar?   I wasn't referring to why a hairdresser should or should not be closed, I am asking why it is more essential - in your opinion.   

Ah ok that is easy.

 

Getting your hair cut is a normal thing to do for grooming and basic hygiene, drinking in a bar is just for fun. One has an good function and the other is just pleasure.  

[James105]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Ah ok that is easy.

 

Getting your hair cut is a normal thing to do for grooming and basic hygiene, drinking in a bar is just for fun. One has an good function and the other is just pleasure.  

 

You mean you would "like" to get your hair cut in the same way someone would "like" to have a drink with their meal right?  You can buy scissors from 7/11.   I don't see why you need to put someone else at risk just because you want to be groomed and is something you can do yourself in the safety of your home.   

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

You mean you would "like" to get your hair cut in the same way someone would "like" to have a drink with their meal right?  You can buy scissors from 7/11.   I don't see why you need to put someone else at risk just because you want to be groomed and is something you can do yourself in the safety of your home.   

There is a big difference you can drink at home but you can't get a good cut at home. Its not something i like to do but people need to stay presentable for work (i understand for retirees that does not apply). However most people in Thailand are not retirees but people of working age. 

 

You can imagine if people come to their jobs looking like $%^^ it can have consequences. Its not a matter of wanting its just normal human basic bodycare. Maybe you don't care about it and let yourself go and can do so but that does not apply to everyone.

 

But it is telling that you compare the two. 

[Matt K]

No one is going to spend the vacation time, quarantine, and money to fly halfway around the world & not be able to drink & party. If that’s Thailand’s intent, remain closed until you’re hungry enough to reopen everything, unrestricted. I’ll be spending my money elsewhere, as will the majority of people who would potentially visit Thailand. It’s got to be said.

[brommers]

She exhibits a typically arrogant and demeaning streak that will inflame people who are sick & tired of the administration imposing never ending restrictions. Just because she gets drunk and behaves like a total fool does not mean everyone else does.

[bangsaenguy]

Is public transportation in operation? Probably the most dangerous place.

[perryjr2]

Bars could open if they can somehow ensure customers have been vaccinated, right?

[James105]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

There is a big difference you can drink at home but you can't get a good cut at home. Its not something i like to do but people need to stay presentable for work (i understand for retirees that does not apply). However most people in Thailand are not retirees but people of working age. 

 

You can imagine if people come to their jobs looking like $%^^ it can have consequences. Its not a matter of wanting its just normal human basic bodycare. Maybe you don't care about it and let yourself go and can do so but that does not apply to everyone.

 

But it is telling that you compare the two. 

 

Many people cannot go to their jobs as their businesses have been closed and are currently on zero income without any support.    How is a haircut going to help them exactly?      

[robblok]

Just now, James105 said:

 

Many people cannot go to their jobs as their businesses have been closed and are currently on zero income without any support.    How is a haircut going to help them exactly?      

More people then not are still working, so those people will be helped by a haircut. Your clutching straws.