Details of vaccine procurement cannot be made public because contracts say so – DPM Wissanu

[webfact]

Empty vials of vaccines by Pfizer-BioNTech and AstraZeneca against COVID-19 (Photo by Christof STACHE / AFP)

 

Thailand’s Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam explained today (Tuesday) that details of all vaccine procurement contracts, signed between the country’s Ministry of Public Health and vaccine producers, either for government inoculation programs or on behalf of private companies, cannot be made public because the contracts say so.

 

Talking to the media this morning at Government House, before the cabinet is due to consider the Public Health Ministry’s contract to procure the Pfizer vaccine, the deputy prime minister said that only contracts which need funding from the government need to be approved by the cabinet.

 

He insisted that COVID-19 vaccines are a sensitive issue, unlike other products, because the producers or the vendors, have the bargaining power.

 

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[mtls2005]

I do not believe this, at all. 

 

Corporations have to be transparent, especially when dealing with governments.

 

To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

 

2 minutes ago, webfact said:

cannot be made public because the contracts say so.

 

Bogus. Only someone trying to hide something would say this.

 

Even if it does, amend the contract.

 

And this guy is the legal whiz? Honestly.

 

 

 

Yes, I'll stipulate that riders may be confidential, esp. re: pricing and discounts.

 

 

[Thomas J]

12 minutes ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam explained today (Tuesday) that details of all vaccine procurement contracts, signed between the country’s Ministry of Public Health and vaccine producers, either for government inoculation programs or on behalf of private companies, cannot be made public because the contracts say so.

Now there are two sides to that contract.  The vaccine company and the Thai government.  Now which side would you guess required that non disclosure clause. 

Hint:  There would be no reason for the vaccine companies to require it. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

All of the contracts, not just some.

 

All of them.

[petedk]

Actually it is true. Not only for Thailand, but for other countries too. 

 

A quick Google search will tell you more.

[RichardColeman]

17 minutes ago, webfact said:

He insisted that COVID-19 vaccines are a sensitive issue, unlike other products, because the producers or the vendors, have the bargaining power.

They certainly do over idiots that order it late and want it earlier. 

[mtls2005]

9 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

All of the contracts, not just some.

 

All of them.

 

9 minutes ago, petedk said:

Actually it is true. Not only for Thailand, but for other countries too. 

 

A quick Google search will tell you more.

 

 

Yes, it appears you are both correct.

 

I'm flummoxed.

 

The vaccine makers have governments over a barrel.

 

Amazing that they can even reveal that they have a contract?

 

Delivery dates, cost/price, indemnification seem off limits.

 

 

I am very surprised with this lack of transparency.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Malaysia revealed the prices anyway despite NDA being in place.

 

https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2021/01/654769/details-vaccine-purchasing-contracts-revealed-pac-nsttv

[tomacht8]

Hard to believe. The western vaccine manufacturers are all publicly traded. Their quarterly figures are all publicly available. The purchase prices are also published by many governments. Many governments have also contributed to the development costs. For all vaccines purchased from the EU, for example, the prices of each batch are available. In government deals of this magnitude, all vaccine manufacturers know about the prices of their competitors. Also, in many democratic countries, governments are accountable due to existing anti-corruption laws. After all, that's the taxpayer's money. Confidentiality can be agreed in the case of transactions between private individuals, but in the case of government contracts?

[Soikhaonoiken]

Seems very convenient..... ????

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

Now there are two sides to that contract.  The vaccine company and the Thai government.  Now which side would you guess required that non disclosure clause. 

Hint:  There would be no reason for the vaccine companies to require it. 

bs

[from the home of CC]

5 minutes ago, Soikhaonoiken said:

Seems very convenient..... ????

of course - it's how the west operates..

[from the home of CC]

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

 

 

 

Yes, it appears you are both correct.

 

I'm flummoxed.

 

The vaccine makers have governments over a barrel.

 

Amazing that they can even reveal that they have a contract?

 

Delivery dates, cost/price, indemnification seem off limits.

 

 

I am very surprised with this lack of transparency.

 

 

 

 

 

you're surprised at the actions of Big Pharma? really?

[from the home of CC]

now I know many inaccuracies are printed, folks are often misquoted and all this on top of endless management layers and further confused by poor translations. But to think every Thai official is lying is just stupid - yet so many that contribute here believe just that. Take a good hard look homeward and I'll think you'll find there's a lot greater chance of you being deceived by your own kind than these folks and history proves that out time and time again..

[ikke1959]

they have something to hide.... and don't want that the world know how much money they earn for themselves

 

[BobinBKK]

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

I do not believe this, at all. 

 

Corporations have to be transparent, especially when dealing with governments.

 

To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

 

 

Bogus. Only someone trying to hide something would say this.

 

Even if it does, amend the contract.

 

And this guy is the legal whiz? Honestly.

 

 

 

Yes, I'll stipulate that riders may be confidential, esp. re: pricing and discounts.

 

 

Agreed, he is lying. All American companies have to be transparent under federal law. Thailand does NOT have any say-so in our federal laws.

[smedly]

one for you one for me 

[jerrymahoney]

3 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

I do not believe this, at all. 

 

Corporations have to be transparent, especially when dealing with governments.

 

To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.

 

 

Bogus. Only someone trying to hide something would say this.

 

Even if it does, amend the contract.

 

And this guy is the legal whiz? Honestly.

 

 

 

Yes, I'll stipulate that riders may be confidential, esp. re: pricing and discounts.

 

 

 

https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/questions-and-answers-covid-19-vaccination-eu_en#25

Are Contracts with Companies Publicly Available

The focus for the (EU) Commision is the protection of public health and securing the best possible agreements with companies so that vaccines are affordable, safe and efficacious.

Contracts are protected for confidentiality reasons, which is warranted by the highly competitive nature of this global market. This is in order to protect sensitive negotiations as well as business related information, such as financial information and development and production plans.

Disclosing sensitive business information would also undermine the tendering process and have potentially far-reaching consequences for the ability of the Commission to carry out its tasks as set out in the legal instruments that form the basis of the negotiations. All companies require that such sensitive business information remains confidential between the signatories of the contract. The Commission therefore has to respect the contracts it concludes with the companies.

The Commission has published redacted contracts of the advance purchase agreement agreement with CureVac and with AstraZeneca.

[hioctane]

13 hours ago, BobinBKK said:

Agreed, he is lying. All American companies have to be transparent under federal law. Thailand does NOT have any say-so in our federal laws.

Sorry, private (US) companies are under no obligation to disclose anything. If they are publicly traded, they might be required to disclose certain financials. 

 

It is pretty obvious why they have an NDA. They invested huge amounts of money in the R&D of this vaccine. The pricing between countries vary. Probably based on their ability to pay. Of course they would want this kept secret. They don’t want countries to see what country A is paying vs country B.

Edited July 6, 2021 by hioctane

[herfiehandbag]

Aha! He of the charred smouldering underpants has surfaced.

 

One knows that the government is seriously embarrassed when they unleash their attack chihuahua!

[mtls2005]

2 hours ago, hioctane said:

They don’t want countries to see what country A is paying vs country B.

 

 

Ah yes, price fixing, that's not at all illegal.

 

Different end-user consumer prices in different geographies, for the same product are well known.

 

Do you think country A cannot speak to country B?

 

The U.S. does have strong laws re: FCPA, so details need to be known regarding purchase prices and contracts, both buying and selling outside the U.S.

 

There's more to this than just pricing, and IP.

 

I'm pretty surprised western governments are going along with his scheme. What would companies do if the contract details were released? Take legal action? Hold back supplies?

 

 

Canada releases redacted versions of COVID-19 vaccine contracts

 

“There’s no reason why Canadians shouldn’t have access to details given the amount of public expenditure,” Conservative MP Michelle Rempel Garner said, adding it should not have taken eight months to release the limited information.

 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-releases-redacted-versions-of-covid-19-vaccine-contracts/

 

 

 

 

I still can't believe there is no transparency. I guess when we're scared we let our governments run free.

[TheFishman1]

Truly unbelievable TIT

[ronster]

One for you , one for me . Oh that’s a nice new car you have !! ????

[Justanotherone]

Some poor countries had to give their foreign embassies as collateral so they would not suebig pharma in case of law suits, hence, you cannot sue big pharma

[pokerface1]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

government inoculation programs or on behalf of private companies, cannot be made public because the contracts say so

I don't think they would be legally binding contracts. I mean delivery quantities and delivery dates are not being kept most of the time and even the pricing seems to vary as well.( to many reasons to sue the suppliers)

They may just be purchase orders which in that case is a hole different ball game.

[hotchilli]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand’s Deputy Prime Minister Wissanu Krea-ngam explained today (Tuesday) that details of all vaccine procurement contracts, signed between the country’s Ministry of Public Health and vaccine producers, either for government inoculation programs or on behalf of private companies, cannot be made public because the contracts say so

No transparency then... or complete garbage.

[phills2k1]

So this is what the wheel of bull**** landed on today, eh?

[phills2k1]

I know I'm being redundant at this point, but I truly can't believe that it took less than 6 months of living in Thailand to make me long for the patent lies, ineptitude and corruption of the US government

 

 

[chalawaan]

Every single dodgy dealing since 2014, Wissanu is trottred out to wave the crowd on, from the Army park, to watches, to subs, and beyond.

 

If there is such a clause its unlikely western executives would be stupid enough to play kickback games with this infamous mob of criminals, this far along the timeline, but then again, there's no ceiling on stupid, even in "the west".

[xylophone]

4 minutes ago, phills2k1 said:

I know I'm being redundant at this point, but I truly can't believe that it took less than 6 months of living in Thailand to make me long for the patent lies, ineptitude and corruption of the US government

 

 

And as the song says, "you ain't seen nothing yet".