Phuket marks first Sandbox tourist infected with COVID-19

[thailand49]

4 hours ago, FarFlungFalang said:

One was a Thai person so that's ok but the other person is not what we want because he "was" a tourist but is now a dirty falang who we've detained.Way to go Scum box Scam!

Correct they might also want to double check all the documents from tourist coming from the MiddleEast it has been rumor for sometime even prior months back these docs are handed out with a brown envelop in exchange.

[ChC1]

4 hours ago, internationalism said:

but what, if he got infected already on Phuket?

as to sinovac in the next post - this vax is not used in the west, so he had some other vax. 

I remember reading somewhere UAE used the Sinovac or other Chinese vaccine. 

[ChC1]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

new varaints are apearing all the time ,the lamda strain has apeared in the uk from peru

there will always be others n future its never ending

It is in 31 countries already. But it has not taken over as the dominant strain yet. The scientists community is still investigating why it is the case. According to the news I read, this strain is more transmissible and could evade the vaccine. 

[club]

When tourist are told by the Thai government that one dose of AZ  is all they need and is full vaccination they once again lie. First jab of AZ against Delta variant is 33% Second jab is 90+% But Thailand didn't want to wait for second jab of AZ. Same for 100,000 local  people in Phuket. One jab of AZ 33% . I would not go near there. This government is a joke. a bad joke 

[internationalism]

1 hour ago, ChC1 said:

I remember reading somewhere UAE used the Sinovac or other Chinese vaccine. 

moderna, pfizer, sputnik, sinopharm from beijing and from wuhan.

No sinovac

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/science/coronavirus-vaccine-tracker.html#jnj

[kimamey]

3 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

Well ! Thats his Holiday messed up.

And the Holidays of all the other people in his Tour Group.

They will all have to do Quarantine now.

And what about the other passengers on his Flight, the Flight Crew, Airport Staff Etc Etc Etc , will they all be in Quarantine as well

Presumably he wouldn't have been the only one tested so I guess the others were negative and there will be ongoing testing.

[jonnit]

If he received either of the Chinese or Russian vaccines, I doubt it will ever be published. People already have doubts about their effectiveness and that's basically all that's available to the people. 

[impulse]

...said the doctor who asked not to be named. “In April, we had infection rates around 10 per cent of people that were tested. Now it is much closer to 20 per cent.”

 

“But in our hospitals, we have people lining up since 3 am to get tested in the morning as we have a limited number of tests. Of those that we do test, there are days when over half are found to be infected.”

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29512/thailand-may-have-infection-numbers-3-4-times-higher-than-the-government-declared-total/

 

Meanwhile in the Phuket Sandbox, people are getting their panties in a wad because one of the hundreds (thousands?) of tourists tested positive...  Identified by testing on arrival and whisked off to quarantine.  

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by impulse

[connda]

And we're off to the races.  How many days before closure?

[JCP108]

Let's remember that PCR tests, on average, are reported to have a 1/200 chance of giving a false positive. This was going to happen. So, one possible explanation is that he was unlucky and that test on arrival was a false positive. No mention of his having symptoms. No mention of a follow-up test to confirm or refute the one that was positive. Just send him off to a 14-day hospital stay, ruin the trip of all the travelers he had contact with, and send out more news stories that paint farangs as dirty and dangerous.

[Ralf001]

well atleast old matey did not describe the non  thai as a smelly farang.

[Lorry]

15 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

Let's remember that PCR tests, on average, are reported to have a 1/200 chance of giving a false positive.

That's the number covid deniers spread.

Virologists tell a much,  much lower number.

[JCP108]

1 minute ago, Lorry said:

That's the number covid deniers spread.

Virologists tell a much,  much lower number.

These researchers explain a false positive rate of 4.5%...

 

https://journals.lww.com/joem/Fulltext/2021/03000/False_Positive_Results_With_SARS_CoV_2_RT_PCR.23.aspx

Edited July 7, 2021 by JCP108

[Lorry]

3 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

These researchers explain a false positive rate of 4.5%...

 

https://journals.lww.com/joem/Fulltext/2021/03000/False_Positive_Results_With_SARS_CoV_2_RT_PCR.23.aspx

Waste of time taking to covid deniers.

[gim12]

it would be good to know what brand of vaccine vaccine he had received

[JCP108]

3 minutes ago, Lorry said:

Waste of time taking to covid deniers.

You are wrong. I'm not a Covid denier. I took my precautions. I got vaccinated. I think Covid cases are actually under-reported. We have Covid. It's part of our life. We have vaccinations, tests, and treatments. The way forward is with science. No test ever has a 100% accuracy. Doesn't happen in the real world. 

 

It is more likely that the person actually is infected. However, it is also possible he got a false positive for the reasons I stated before. Testing lots of travelers will result, sometimes, in false positives. This must be considered.

 

Hope he has insurance that covers hospitalization without symptoms or treatment if he needs that.

Edited July 7, 2021 by JCP108

[connda]

"“This morning, medical staff will go to the hotel and take him to hospital. Those who came with him will be taken to an ALQ [alternative local quarantine] location if they are considered high-risk,” he added."

This is exactly the reason I wouldn't chance the risk.  Not necessarily because of the expense of a hospital stay (which should be covered by mandatory insurance, but because if you are deemed as having been near a PCR positive person - your vacation is ruined as well as being saddled with a high-priced ALQ facility.  Does anyone game this out in advance?  Crazy.
FYI.  Shouldn't the entire plane be put in ALQ?  Why not? They all breathed the same recycled air for umteen hours?
Here's the first hit in less than 6 days after opening.  Do the math and extend that out three to six months.  What's the chances of many more similar events affecting many, many more people? 
You couldn't pay me to take the risks. They better start issuing Covid insurance that covers ruined vacations due to being exposed to a PCR positive case and force into ALQ confinement for the duration of your vacation.  It would be unaffordable though.  Or just rethink this insanity in the first place.
Personally I'd book for Mexico.

[ukrules]

4 hours ago, KhunMorris said:

Yep, this was fully expected... 

Yes it was. Inevitable is the word I would have used.

 

[connda]

1 minute ago, connda said:

They better start issuing Covid insurance that covers ruined vacations due to being exposed to a PCR positive case and force into ALQ confinement for the duration of your vacation.

For any who have failed to notice - having two vaccinations don't amount to a hill of bean.  Be in the vicinity of a PCR positive and you're deemed a plague-carrying leper.  So much for all this **** about 95%+ efficacy.  There isn't one official in Phuket who will believe that. Probably not one official on the planet. No 100% effective and guaranteed immunity? 
"The shot doesn't keep you from getting Covid, it just keeps you from dying."
You can't make this stuff up.  Sign me up for the vaccines that don't work.  The world's gone mad.

[impulse]

11 minutes ago, connda said:

Personally I'd book for Mexico.

Yeah, because hanging out in Mexico with a bunch of unvaccinated, untested people from all over the world is much safer than a 1/1000 chance of testing positive on a flight to Thailand full of vaccinated, tested people.

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by impulse

[connda]

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

Yeah, because hanging out in Mexico with a bunch of unvaccinated, untested people from all over the world is much safer than a 1/1000 chance of testing positive on a flight to Thailand full of vaccinated, tested people.

 

If it's not your cup of tea - dandy.  I simply don't see the world through the lens of conventional wisdom (or the Covid fearful). 
I took the word "fair" out of my personal dictionary decades ago.  I'm about to remove "safe" and memory hole that word too. 
Everyone who is afraid!  I wish you a 100% Safe Life!!!  May you be permanently safe from all things viral!  Lock yourself in your homes. bolt the doors, spray alcohol in the air, wear a mask 24/7, never again socialize-- all after getting your two shot of your vaccines of choice. 
Sounds boring. 
Best to be fearful.  It will never be safe again.

Me?  If I leave the country to vacation - Mexico!

^{<naa buura baby>}

[Thomas J]

9 hours ago, RandolphGB said:

There will never be zero covid cases. Thailand needs to accept that and figure out how to open the country again.  

I said that from the very beginning.  My quote was ok lock the country down, maintain quarantines, put mask mandate, stop alcohol sales, etc.  Now when you assuming you could have zero covid infections in Thailand - What is the end game?  Wait until all of the world has zero covid infections.  That will never happen. 

Just like Dengue Fever, Malaria, TB, Aids etc. The world has health hazards.  You can mitigate them to a degree but you can not eliminate them.  Thailand has to learn to live and coexist with Covid.  The best thing Thailand can do is to get as many quality vaccines as possible and vaccinate as many people as possible as soon as possible.  Of course that is the one thing they have been most remiss about.  Stop two elderly men who are friends and see each other socially but arrest them when they are having a drink at a bar together happens immediately.  Signing the contract for mRNA viruses is still under review. 

[impulse]

10 minutes ago, connda said:

Me?  If I leave the country to vacation - Mexico!

Enjoy.  Just remember, 30% of the people around you will test Covid positive...

 

Kind of puts that 1 tourist out of the 2000+ Sandbox arrivals into perspective...

 

Edited July 7, 2021 by impulse

[MajorTom]

1 hour ago, JCP108 said:

Let's remember that PCR tests, on average, are reported to have a 1/200 chance of giving a false positive. This was going to happen. So, one possible explanation is that he was unlucky and that test on arrival was a false positive. No mention of his having symptoms. No mention of a follow-up test to confirm or refute the one that was positive. Just send him off to a 14-day hospital stay, ruin the trip of all the travelers he had contact with, and send out more news stories that paint farangs as dirty and dangerous.

Just read they had 2000 arrivals already. If we use a conservative 0,5% false positive on pcr tests, i think its looking better than expected.

Edited July 7, 2021 by MajorTom
tpo

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, MajorTom said:

Just read they had 2000 arrivals already. If we use a conservative 0,5% false positive on pcr tests, i think its looking better than expected.

 Certainly looking better than the rest of Thailand where 20% positive tests seem to be the norm.  Up to 50% on a bad day.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29512/thailand-may-have-infection-numbers-3-4-times-higher-than-the-government-declared-total/

 

If there's a flare-up on Phuket, it won't be from vaccinated, tested tourists.  It'll be from locals and migrant workers.  And that's no different than the rest of Thailand.  The difference is tourist $$$.  Phuket is getting some.

 

Once again, I ask...  Who would you rather have staying in your hotel, or sitting next to you in a restaurant?  A local with a 20% chance of being positive, or a foreigner with a 0.05% risk?

 

[Lorry]

56 minutes ago, JCP108 said:

You are wrong. I'm not a Covid denier. I took my precautions. I got vaccinated. I think Covid cases are actually under-reported. We have Covid. It's part of our life. We have vaccinations, tests, and treatments. The way forward is with science. No test ever has a 100% accuracy. Doesn't happen in the real world. 

 

It is more likely that the person actually is infected. However, it is also possible he got a false positive for the reasons I stated before. Testing lots of travelers will result, sometimes, in false positives. This must be considered.

 

Hope he has insurance that covers hospitalization without symptoms or treatment if he needs that.

Sorry if i got you wrong. 

It just happens that the number you quoted (1/200) is the number spread by covid deniers. They use some half-understood statistics,  have no idea about real-life medicine and testing,  and fantasize about this number. 

 

People who deal with real covid testing tell you it's lower than 1/2000. The mirage of a "false positive" PCR basically doesn't happen. 

[Rhacsyn]

10 hours ago, keith101 said:

Maybe he had received 2 shots of the Sinovac vaccine which as we all know is useless .

Sinovac is NOT used in UAE

[Rhacsyn]

7 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

According to CNBC, "The UAE’s vaccination campaign, one of the fastest in the world, has relied heavily on the Sinopharm shot." However, there have been concerns over its efficacy and talk of people requiring a third, booster dose.

 

The UAE and Bahrain offer third Sinopharm shots amid questions over vaccine effectiveness

That is a slightly dated report and you can find more recent ones stating that a 3rd jab may be recommended to a small number of people 6 months after the 2nd.

 

As sad and wrong as it is, Sinopharm was / has been generally given to the Asian labour force in UAE and primarily Pfizer administered to others. When I was there I just booked my vaccination date and turned up and was given Pfizer. A smaller number have more recently been able to opt for AZ or Sputnik

[Rhacsyn]

5 hours ago, ChC1 said:

I remember reading somewhere UAE used the Sinovac or other Chinese vaccine. 

No Sinovac in UAE. It uses primarily Sinopharm and Pfizer and to a lesser extent  and more recently AZ and Putnik

[connda]

2 hours ago, Lorry said:

They use some half-understood statistics,  have no idea about real-life medicine and testing,  and fantasize about this number. 

Just as do Covid-Accepters.  Everybody is tossing around statistics that they heard on their favorite propaganda, errrr, media outlet.
What virtually no one does is to Attribute there assertions with published scientific papers. 
CNN's expert said <blah blah blah>  - Hearsay.
Brietbarts expert said <blah blah blah>  - Hearsay.

Try taking CDC published figures and statistics from linked science studies and forget about the often unnamed experts.  Then attribute the source via your own research and analysis. 

Everybody who tosses around statistics about 'chance of this' and chances of that' <blah blah blah>- on both sides?  Hearsay. If you don't attribute?  It's hearsay. If it's from a so-called 'expert' without attribution to studies.  It's all highly charged hearsay. 

Now people who unquestionably accept the Covid narrative (Covid accepters) as well as those who don't (Covid deniers) can both dislike my what I've said.  I don't care.  You both muddy the already partisan waters with unsubstantiated numbers.