6 minutes ago, cyril sneer said:

yep, will probably never get a chance to visit home again 

 

it will only get worse, even after vaccinations 

In which case so much for those who say in response to those who complain about the (in)adequacy of existing vaccination arrangements for British expats here that all the complainants need to do is to hop on a plane back to the UK to receive their free jabs there!

 

14 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

I get confused.... if one looks at the plot of new infections for the UK, it appears they are currently in a 4th wave, certainly when one looks at peaks. 

seriously dude - stop comparing Thailand and the UK - they are now completely different animals 

 

The whole pandemic landscape in the UK has changed - get with the program

Vietnam imposes lockdown in city, as Covid cases continue to surge in Asean

 

The ongoing surge in Covid cases across Southeast Asia continued unabated on Friday, although the number of deaths declined, collated data showed

https://www.nationthailand.com/international/40003045

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

If the infection rates stabilise due to lack of testing, can the actual death rates be similarly hidden?

The death rates of covid can be hidden but the actual deaths won't be they just write something like unknown viral pneumonia on the certificate.You can still see the death rate in all cause fatality numbers later.

Heard that Indonesia is looking at Pfizer booster for doctors. Now saying that 120 fully vacced with Sinovac have died. Don't know how many are serious or critical but it must be alot with 120 dying. Of course one shouldn't forget nures. How many of them have died or are seriously ill or critical. This is nasty and the govt has let it run. Sydney now in hard lockdown with 50 new cases today. Critisism for the premier for not going into lockdown earlier. They are now very worried about uncontrollabe spread. 

12 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

If the infection rates stabilise due to lack of testing, can the actual death rates be similarly hidden?

You've been keeping up daily, you read the report by the forensic doctor right? The covid deaths are already being hidden though lack of testing.

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

seriously dude - stop comparing Thailand and the UK - they are now completely different animals 

 

The whole pandemic landscape in the UK has changed - get with the program

The paradigm has definitely shifted in the UK, now it's seen as a common cold.

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/361221875496143/?type=3

 

 

Foreigners to Get Only 10% of U.S. Donated Pfizer Vaccine Doses

 

Foreigners are slated to receive only 10 percent of the 1.5 million Pfizer vaccine doses being donated by the United States to Thailand – half the amount previously reported in the Thai news media, according to a Thai government document released Friday.

 

The U.S. government and the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok have never commented on or confirmed the notion of a set-aside for the donated Pfizer doses. However, a senior Thai general involved in Thailand’s COVID fight was quoted in Thai news reports recently saying 20 percent or 300,000 of the doses would be set aside for foreigners.

 

That report, however, was contradicted by a Thai Ministry of Public Health vaccine rollout plan released Friday that said only 10 percent of the Pfizer doses (150,000) would be reserved for foreigners. Curiously, English language summaries of the government’s plan made no mention of the specific Pfizer percentage set-aside, but the original Thai MoPH document does.

 

According to the document, 1.35 million of the donated Pfizer doses will be set aside for Thai nationals, and only 150,000 for foreigners, enough for 75,000 people, under the vaccine's two-shot regimen. The top priority for the donated Pfizer doses will be to give a single third-shot booster to the nation's medical staff caring for COVID patients, along with elderly Thais and those with chronic medical conditions.

 

The same planned 10 percent vaccine set-aside for foreigners (105,000 doses, enough for 52,500 people) is supposed to apply to a separate donation of 1.05 million AstraZeneca vaccines doses being given by Japan. So together, the Thai government is proposing to set aside 255,000 doses for foreigners, enough for about 127,500 foreign nationals.

 

If the Thai MoPH follows through with the 10 percent plan, that means fewer of one of the most effective coronavirus vaccines available will be offered to foreigners in Thailand, who currently only have access to the Thai government provided AstraZeneca vaccine, which is somewhat less effective, and the government provided Chinese Sinovac vaccine, which is considered much less effective.

 

Since Thailand’s belated vaccines rollout began in early June, many foreigners have complained loudly about being unable to obtain vaccines because of often non-functional Thai government programs for them to register for and receive vaccines that are separate from the signup programs available to Thai nationals.

 

The Thai government has not released any recent statistics on the exact size of the current foreign nationals population in Thailand nor on how many of those have been able to be vaccinated. But the numbers also are low for Thai citizens, with only 12.2 percent of the Thai population having received a first shot thus far, and only 4.4 percent fully vaccinated.

 

4 minutes ago, smedly said:

seriously dude - stop comparing Thailand and the UK - they are now completely different animals 

 

The whole pandemic landscape in the UK has changed - get with the program

Indeed.   The UK are still doing something like a million tests a day, 3 times the number of their European neighbours.    I wonder how many cases Thailand would be seeing if they carried out a similar number of tests on a daily basis.   I think probably a lot more than the UK.     

 

The UK are planning to start charging for tests after July.   I would expect that will coincide with a significant drop in cases.  

29 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Now that the much anticipated lockdown is due to start on Monday, how long before we start to see a decline in infections and deaths?

With luck we will see stabilizing not really a decline. This is just to stop spread it hink its already so bad that a decline if it happens will take a while best we can hope for is it not to top the 10.000.

 

That is just my opninion.

12 minutes ago, smedly said:

big difference between here and the UK - do you know what it is ?

 

I will start with testing capacity - you can fill in the rest

Other difference is also that many in the UK are vaccinated the contract the disease but wont get as sick as those without a vaccine.

cause of death can be established not only by positive test before death, but also by symptoms or even by post mortem (not that they will do it routinely now, as morgues are full and all medics are overworked) 

4 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

they just write something like unknown viral pneumonia on the certificate

who is "they" ?

 

as I have said before - unless the death occurs in a hospital there is no certification by a medical professional - the village head man might sign something or even a cop, that is what happens here - it is not the west

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

Foreigners to Get Only 10% of U.S. Donated Pfizer Vaccine Doses

 

Foreigners are slated to receive only 10 percent of the 1.5 million Pfizer vaccine doses being donated by the United States to Thailand – half the amount previously reported in the Thai news media, according to a Thai government document released Friday.

 

The U.S. government and the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok have never commented on or confirmed the notion of a set-aside for the donated Pfizer doses. However, a senior Thai general involved in Thailand’s COVID fight was quoted in Thai news reports recently saying 20 percent or 300,000 of the doses would be set aside for foreigners.

 

That report, however, was contradicted by a Thai Ministry of Public Health vaccine rollout plan released Friday that said only 10 percent of the Pfizer doses (150,000) would be reserved for foreigners. Curiously, English language summaries of the government’s plan made no mention of the Pfizer set-aside, but the original Thai MoPH document does.

 

According to the document, 1.35 million of the donated Pfizer doses will be set aside for Thai nationals, and only 150,000 for foreigners, enough for 75,000 people, under the vaccine's two-shot regimen. The top priority for the donated Pfizer doses will be to give a single third-shot booster to the nation's medical staff caring for COVID patients, along with elderly Thais and those with chronic medical conditions.

 

The same planned 10 percent vaccine set-aside for foreigners (105,000 doses, enough for 52,500 people) is supposed to apply to a separate donation of 1.05 million AstraZeneca vaccines doses being given by Japan. So together, the Thai government is proposing to set aside 255,000 doses for foreigners, enough for about 127,500 foreign nationals.

 

If the Thai MoPH follows through with the 10 percent plan, that means fewer of one of the most effective coronavirus vaccines available will be offered to foreigners in Thailand, who currently only have access to the Thai government provided AstraZeneca vaccine, which is somewhat less effective, and the government provided Chinese Sinovac vaccine, which is considered much less effective.

 

Since Thailand’s belated vaccines rollout began in early June, many foreigners have complained loudly about being unable to obtain vaccines because of often non-functional Thai government programs for them to register for and receive vaccines that are separate from the signup programs available to Thai nationals.

 

The Thai government has not released any recent statistics on the exact size of the current foreign nationals population in Thailand nor on how many of those have been able to be vaccinated. But the numbers also are low for Thai citizens, with only 12.2 percent of the Thai population having received a first shot thus far, and only 4.4 percent fully vaccinated.

 

Of course this can only occur in Thailand where all foreigners are seen as being below the Soi dog as far as this Government is concerned.

28 minutes ago, smedly said:

I think due to testing limits we won't see this going much above this number, they simply do not have the testing capacity and are very unlikely to ramp it up

 

They've already announced plans to switch to / expand to rapid antigen testing to complement the more expensive and complicated RT-PCR testing they've been doing all long.

 

29 minutes ago, law ling said:

Correct: they didn't order enough vaccines, and still haven't.

Doesn't really matter - by the time they deliver it will be long long long from now.

Get cozy.

4 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Vietnam imposes lockdown in city, as Covid cases continue to surge in Asean

 

The ongoing surge in Covid cases across Southeast Asia continued unabated on Friday, although the number of deaths declined, collated data showed

https://www.nationthailand.com/international/40003045

Today's numbers may now have Thailand second worst in SEA.

A post using profane language as well as an animated trolling meme has been removed, the replies to that post have been removed as well. 

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hundreds of people are continuing to camp out in the rain every night at Wat Phra Sri in Bang Khen in the hope that they will be lucky today to get a free covid test. Many people are finding it hard to get tested

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1413653298188460032

 

 

In Bangkok, "New COVID-19 testing sites will be opened for walk-in service at Thai-Japan Stadium, Hua Mark Stadium and Thupatemi Sports Stadium."

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/videos/514274189883126/

 

I asked yesterday, no reply.

What does "avoid unnecessary travel" mean and how would it be policed. 

 

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

They've already announced plans to switch to / expand to rapid antigen testing to complement the more expensive and complicated RT-PCR testing they've been doing all long.

 

I am aware of that but unless they are prepared to ramp up PCR testing then the numbers are not going to go much higher

 

The rapid tests are to be used as a filter, those who return a positive will still need a PCR for confirmation

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I asked yesterday, no reply.

What does "avoid unnecessary travel" mean and how would it be policed. 

 

It depends on what country you live in.  Not many are interested in throwing out every scenario.

 

I will write that getting travel insurance for non essential travel when these bans are on cost $$$$ there.  And you will require it.  

3 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

I asked yesterday, no reply.

What does "avoid unnecessary travel" mean and how would it be policed. 

 

Checkpoint officer: Where you go

Me: Shopping

Checkpoint Officer: Why?

Me: We need food

Checkpoint Officer: Ok as long as you stop back by with some whiskey for me.....

7 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

In Bangkok, "New COVID-19 testing sites will be opened for walk-in service at Thai-Japan Stadium, Hua Mark Stadium and Thupatemi Sports Stadium."

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/videos/514274189883126/

 

Be sure to take the BTS train!  : D  (sarcasm)

18 minutes ago, robblok said:

Other difference is also that many in the UK are vaccinated the contract the disease but wont get as sick as those without a vaccine.

those needing medical assistance in the UK are mostly people that refused the vaccine - go figure

Just now, Blumpie said:

Be sure to take the BTS train!  : D  (sarcasm)

Double Masked up of course

I would like to see a breakdown of these Thailand deaths by age and if possible whether the person suffered from a chronic disease.  I would suggest age ranges of twenty years.  Throw in whether vaccinated previously and nationality also.

This may show some interesting data points to consider.

 

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You've been keeping up daily, you read the report by the forensic doctor right? The covid deaths are already being hidden though lack of testing.

So if that's the case, can we expect the "official" fatality figures that are published each day and on which we are commenting, to stabilise?  Presumably any decision about relaxing restrictions in 14 days will be based on official figures, not hidden ones.

2 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

It depends on what country you live in.  Not many are interested in throwing out every scenario.

 

I will write that getting travel insurance for non essential travel when these bans are on cost $$$$ there.  And you will require it.  

Sorry, you missed my point. I'm currently in Bangkok. The new restrictions include statement "avoid unnecessary travel"

That seems soft. 

What stops me from travel to another province.

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

So if that's the case, can we expect the "official" fatality figures that are published each day and on which we are commenting, to stabilise?  Presumably any decision about relaxing restrictions in 14 days will be based on official figures, not hidden ones.

yes