Thailand says AstraZeneca asked to delay delivery of 61 million vaccine doses

[gearbox]

37 minutes ago, BusyB said:

We have experience with this bunch in the EU ...

EU is powerful and wealthy, and managed to bring in other vaccines pretty quickly. Biontech is headquartered in Germany.  I can't see this happening here.

This combination of a dubious vaccine and a <deleted> company burned the fingers of quite a few countries. The wave of lockdowns is continuing in Australia. If the cases continue to rise here they'll probably tighten up the restrictions similarly to Indonesia and Malaysia. And here it goes...for months and months.

[joloit]

I thought that the emergency decree has bin extended until end of September. Isn‘t it in the power of the government to to redirect the AZ vaccines to Thailand first?? 

[Naguu]

46 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Sinovac is better than nothing if you can't get anything else!

Meanwhile in China

 

Edited July 15, 2021 by Naguu

[Lemonltr]

6 minutes ago, gearbox said:

EU is powerful and wealthy, and managed to bring in other vaccines pretty quickly. Biontech is headquartered in Germany.  I can't see this happening here.

This combination of a dubious vaccine and a <deleted> company burned the fingers of quite a few countries. The wave of lockdowns is continuing in Australia. If the cases continue to rise here they'll probably tighten up the restrictions similarly to Indonesia and Malaysia. And here it goes...for months and months.

Nothing dubious about the vaccine. The UK has used around 50 million of these jabs and shortly goes back to normal living in spite of the fact that it has 100% delta vatiant. 

[DonaldBattles]

Have you ever seen a more screwed up mess? It will take years to clear things and get Thailand vaccinated.  I am still waiting in Chiang Rai as they will not give vaccine to farangs until all Thais are vaccinated. I have a PR permit but it makes no difference.

[Scott Tracy]

The bit in the email says Thailand asked AZ to delay delivery. See also the Forum link at the top left of this page. The headline on this page is ambiguous at best, spurious and incorrect at worst. Can be read as Thailand asking AZ to extend delivery date,or, as appears to be the case, Thailand was asked by AZ if AZ could extend the delivery dates.

 

Frustrating, to say the least. Would be annoyed if the Thai government had asked AZ to delay delivery. That's why I clicked it.

 

 I suggest the link needs to be renamed, as it could be classified as false news.

 

 

 

Edited July 15, 2021 by Scott Tracy
Added last paragraph.

[thaitom]

2 hours ago, thaitom said:

I thought it was made in Thailand.

 

Made by Siam Bioscience

[joe999]

With the delta variant being now predominant, do we really need to be that concerned about the quantities of AZ available? After reading the news from all ver the world, guess everyone can draw their own conclusions...

[bstafford214]

I am failing to understand the statement about AstraZeneka having exported product reduced that is manufactured in Thailand.

 

Thailand a day earlier said it was considering imposing limits on exports of locally manufactured AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccine to fight its own outbreak.

 

If the vaccine is produced here in Thailand, then why isn't Thailand taking it for their own citizens?

 

Is this the rich politicians making millions by producing and exporting to other countries?

[Tony125]

 

Malaysia to stop using Sinovac vaccine after supply ends - minister

 

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-malaysia-stop-using-sinovac-114941202.html

[ttrd]

 

Could someone tell the man in dark blue shirt that the facemask also must cover his nose ... ????

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, nahkit said:

Think the whole story is misleading - surely it's the Thai company who are producing the vaccine here that are asking for an extension, rather than Astrazeneca themselves?

No, when it is a problem it is Astra Zeneca. When there (may ) be something to celebrate it is Siam Bio whatever it is called...

[smudger1951]

5 hours ago, Tracyb said:

How should one interpret this headline?

 

“Thailand says AstraZeneca asked to delay delivery of 61 million vaccine doses“

 

Who’s asking for what?  Is Thailand asking Astra Zeneca or is Astra Zeneca asking Thailand.  I’m neither qualified not interested in being a “grammar cop” but for crying out loud…..will someone please clarify what this statement is trying to convey?  Admins?  Mods?  Anyone??

 I just previously read an article suggesting that Thailand was considering limiting the number of AZ doses to be exported in order to increase the availability of doses for use in Thailand.

Cmon folks, let’s get this cleared up and stop fueling the stream of  misinformation that plagues us all………

 

Just sayin.

 

Did'nt this same situation arise when Astra Zeneca plant in Belgium was shipping to UK to fulfill orders placed by the UK Gov't. 

[unblocktheplanet]

5 hours ago, Dogmatix said:

One of the big problems is that the Thai government wanted the local production and lent them B500 million of taxpayers' money to build the factory, but was only willing to commit to 35 million AZ doses, some of which were supposed to come from Italy, knowing that it would need more.  So AZ had to commit over 80% of the production to other markets to make the project viable on paper.   

Ya mean the owner didn't have enough to fund Siam BS?!?

[Loving Thailand]

Sadly, no infectious disease, at any time in history, has stopped spreading by lockdown.  It will always find a way of filtering in.  This was evident in the 1919 Spanish Flu and AIDS, Black Plague, Bubonic Plague, Polio and Small Pox.  I am sorry to say this but there are only two ways to stop an epidemic.  First is to wait until it runs its course through a population.  It will.  Some will die, some will get sick and recover and some won't have any effects at all.  Second is through vaccinations.  Why has Thailand become one of the world's slowest countries to get vaccines.  I don't know.  

With AIDS and certainly the Black Death of 1348 AD, Nobel Prize winners found the CCR5-Delta32 gave some immunity in Europeans (not East Asians).  The significance is the if they had a copy of it from both parents then even sexual partners of people with AIDS did not get the disease.  One copy from one parent and a large percentage got sick, some died.  No copies and all died.  This gene went back 2500 years.  There are as yet, genes not uncovered which give partial immunity.  

About 1 to 3% of the people who actually get COVID will die.  This not 3% of an overall population.  

Antibodies are proteins and all proteins have a limited life span in the blood.  A vaccination primes the T-cells of the body.  When the body sees Coronavirus later, the T-cells tell the B-cells to make antibodies again.  Who really cares how long antibodies last.  It is the T-cell priming that makes the difference.  They will cause the chain reaction to eventually make more antibodies later.

American vaccines are good but Johnson and Johnson is weaker but not as weak as Sinovac.

Restriction measures being taken right now will only slow down the disease.  It will not stop it.  Vaccinations are the only thing to potentially stop the disease.   COVID will not be over if there are still enough unvaccinated people spreading COVID around.  Remember, Ebola and Small Pox were only stopped by vaccinations.  Polio was almost stopped but then the vaccinations were stopped too early.  Tuberculosis is present and mutates because not enough people are vaccinated and the vaccinations don't target all of the strains.  

The infection finds new clusters of people to infect then it infects with a vengence.  Why is Thailand seeing so many infections?  Because Thailand was spared infections before.  It became virgin territory for the virus.  The reason why Thailand was spared was because the Thai government decreased international travel.  This decreased the amount of disease coming into Thailand.  Eventually it was going to come in by Myanmar, Cambodia, India, Arabian countries and others with bad numbers of infections.  After a pool of people get infected the numbers come down.  Then the virus finds another group of unvaccinated, un-affected people and it goes up again.  It was eventual that Thailand was going to see a lot of infections.  There is so much COVID in Thailand now that banning international travel may not have much effect because the virus has taken ground all over the country.  It seems likely that Thailand is the source for Thailand, not foreign populations.

What is going to decrease the spread of COVID?  As above, the only two ways are vaccinations and those that are not vaccinated, I will call UVP (un-vaccinated population) become exposed to the disease and the disease runs its course - through them all.  The UVP will see some get sick and recover, some won't get sick at all but will become immune.  Perhaps there is a gene at work.  Third, some will die.  Eventually, the disease will work through the UVP and die out when the UVP becomes smaller and smaller.  Until that happens we will see waves.  Variants like the Delta variant will spread faster, 10 times faster with Delta.  It is possible that future mutations will not work with current vaccinations but currently that is not the case except with Sinovac, which missed the mark with fighting the Delta virus.  We might all need boosters for these new variants if the current good vaccinations do not offer protection.  The larger the UVP the greater the likelihood of seeing mutations in the future.  I can assure you that if you don't get a vaccination your body will eventually come into contact with the COVID virus.  There is simply no stopping that.  Locking yourself in a closet will slow down the time you will get exposed but eventually you will get exposed.  Now, some people may get a bad reaction to the vaccine (a sore arm is not a reaction, come on don't be silly with that) and may die.  Many, many more will die in a population that does not get vaccinated.   If enough people do not get vaccinated the UVP will spread the disease and contribute to mutations.   Eventually all the UVP will be exposed to COVID.  You are not only making the decision to not vaccinate, you are contributing to the UVP!  Your decision affects the health and lives of the whole UVP.  Think about it.

 

Thailand is way, way behind the world in receiving vaccinations and many are only getting Sinovac which may give those people a false sense of security.  Some are not allowed to get certain foreign vaccines because they are not yet approved.  There is no clinical study mixing vaccines so I am not sure how that got approved and Johnson and Johnson vaccine is not.  Why Thailand is so far behind in purchasing the vaccines may be because they did not join CONVAX since the beginning and relied mainly on the cheaper Sinovac?  I hope this disease ends soon but it is unlikely in the next two to four years because there are so many unvaccinated people still out there in the world and that will just take time.  The more unvaccinated and just newly exposed the greater the chance of mutations. Fortunately, most all of the mutations are not any more infectious like the Indian Delta variant.

[MrJ2U]

That's what you get when you bet on a one trick pony.

By the time they finally get around to producing any sizeable amount variants will have made Astra Zeneca obsolite like Sinovac is against the Delta variant.

 

Does anyone know why the Thailand facility is having so many problems?

Rueters said the factory won't answer any questions on its supply problem deepening the mystery.

[bradiston]

4 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Ermm, Astra Zeneca is not a British company.

It is in part. It's CEO is French. Typical!

[MrJ2U]

9 hours ago, Surelynot said:

The headline is a tad misleading...........in as much it is totally the wrong way around..

I'm trying to understand.  Are they going to deliver the doses in May of 2022?

 

I don't think they know what they want.

 

 

[bradiston]

5 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

AZ pulled the same trick over in Europe after contract was signed with the EU,

 

they renegaded their delivery schedule and made excuses for further delay, typical British MO 

 

soon after came the bad news about AZ and nobody wanted them in Europe, so plenty of excess to be shipped over SE Asia

 

and then this LOL

It's CEO is French. How typical is this?

[MrJ2U]

The lawyers for Astra Zeneca are going to make Thailands generals look like the fools they are.

 

They can't just change a binding legal contract to suit there needs.  

 

The biggest problem was relying on one vaccination production facility with no experience in producing vaccines.  

 

 

 

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14 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

That's what you get when you bet on a one trick pony.

By the time they finally get around to producing any sizeable amount variants will have made Astra Zeneca obsolite like Sinovac is against the Delta variant.

 

Does anyone know why the Thailand facility is having so many problems?

Rueters said the factory won't answer any questions on its supply problem deepening the mystery.

Why did Astra zeneca in Europe fail to produce enough doses?

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5 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Ermm, Astra Zeneca is not a British company.

AstraZeneca plc (/ˌæstrəˈzɛnəkə/) is a British-Swedish multinational pharmaceutical and biotechnology company^[2][3][4] with its headquarters at the Cambridge Biomedical Campus in Cambridge, England.^[5]

^{https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AstraZeneca}

[bradiston]

5 hours ago, jeffandgop said:

I’m at a loss to understand this mess. If AZ is asking to “extend the timeline to deliver 61 million doses to Thailand” what was the original timeline?  If SBS is currently producing 10 million doses/mo and 40% of that production stays in Thailand, then at 4 million doses produced per month for Thailand, its overall commitment would take 15 months to complete and now they want 5 additional months to deliver- 20 months total?

Initially it was supposed to be 10m a month. But these were the figures being put out by Prayut's government. We have no idea what the actual agreement was with AZ, or what the actual capacity of SBS is/was. Prayut was hell-bent on selling an "opening Thailand by October" plan to the Thai public. A sub text was 61m by the end of the year, which also was calculated using the 10m per month schedule. If that's cut in half, it will take an extra 6 months into 2022 to reach that target at 5m a month.

 

That's why the mad scramble to beef up the numbers with Sinopharm, Pfizer and Moderna. Plus, there are others coming on stream.

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5 hours ago, GrandPapillon said:

AZ pulled the same trick over in Europe after contract was signed with the EU,

 

they renegaded their delivery schedule and made excuses for further delay, typical British MO 

 

soon after came the bad news about AZ and nobody wanted them in Europe, so plenty of excess to be shipped over SE Asia

 

and then this LOL

And what about Sanofi and its covid vaccine? Oh, wait, that was a failure. Would that make it typically French?

[MrJ2U]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Why did Astra zeneca in Europe fail to produce enough doses?

Nothing to do with Thailands failure.  

 

But if need to know why not just Google it?

[MrJ2U]

10 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Initially it was supposed to be 10m a month. But these were the figures being put out by Prayut's government. We have no idea what the actual agreement was with AZ, or what the actual capacity of SBS is/was. Prayut was hell-bent on selling an "opening Thailand by October" plan to the Thai public. A sub text was 61m by the end of the year, which also was calculated using the 10m per month schedule. If that's cut in half, it will take an extra 6 months into 2022 to reach that target at 5m a month.

 

That's why the mad scramble to beef up the numbers with Sinopharm, Pfizer and Moderna. Plus, there are others coming on stream.

What a mess.

 

 

[Derek B]

I read recently AZ covid-19 vaccine is made in Korea and that plant's production is approved for export to the EU.

Perhaps Thai Gov can obtain the AZ vaccine from Korea.

[shdmn]

This thread is hilarious.  Most of the comments are just the usual knee jerk "thais can't do anything right" nonsense when the story was probably not even translated properly. So the serial complainers here are not even complaining about the right thing....lol

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47 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Nothing to do with Thailands failure.  

 

But if need to know why not just Google it?

When a company in Thailand fails at something it's held up as an indictment of Thai society.

When a European company fails, it's just one of those things.

[bradiston]

23 minutes ago, Derek B said:

I read recently AZ covid-19 vaccine is made in Korea and that plant's production is approved for export to the EU.

Perhaps Thai Gov can obtain the AZ vaccine from Korea.

Yes, it's made by South Korea BioScience. A very different outfit to its Thai namesake.

 

https://www.fiercepharma.com/manufacturing/astrazeneca-novavax-partner-sk-bioscience-eyes-132m-vaccine-production-boost-and