Thailand reports daily record of 15,335 coronavirus cases, 129 deaths

[Marvin Hagler]

Serious question: What has happened to the 2,000,000 health volunteers that saved Thailand last time? Where are they now?

 

I was always extremely sceptical about their existence on that scale and that sceptism only grew when it became apparent that they were being paid 100 Baht each per day. Fantastic skimming opportunity right there ($6M per day in payments) and Thailand is no stranger to “ghost” workers on the books.

[DrJack54]

20 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

.Bangkok relies on supply from around the nation to stay alive what effective system of restrictions do you have in mind and how would you implement it in an effective way in a short space of time?

Very easy actually.

Edited July 25, 2021 by DrJack54

[sandyf]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Well many on here have said 20,000 in August and it is definitely heading there. Now over 4000 deaths and tomorrow into the 500,000 club for total infections on the covid charts. Complete and utter mismanagement by a shambolic government of empty heads not fit for purpose.

If rising cases equals "shambolic", that pretty much sums up  most of the western nations.

Cases in the US are up 65% in the last week with 151 daily deaths,  “a pandemic of the unvaccinated” would be the same wherever.

When the pandemic first started Bojo was all in favour of herd immunity and has now reverted to that same policy, which has become more than "shambolic" with the so called "pingdemic".

The situation is not good but certainly not unique to Thailand.

[James105]

3 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

I shudder to ask this, but what stricter measures have they even got left in the bag at this point? 

 

Measures taken have already turned what was a nice place into a dystopian hellhole of boredom. What is there even left to close?

Elevators in Condos.   I'd close them all down at this point.   Would also ensure that people only leave them when absolutely necessary.   

[clivebaxter]

36 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Thai volunteers step up as Covid-19 Delta cases send hospitals to ‘point of collapse’

Thanapon Songput, a worker at the non-profit Mirror Foundation, has been arranging to provide oxygen tanks for Covid-19 patients around Thailand’s capital in the past month.

The group allocates up to 90 tanks for about 15 patients a day, but the overwhelming demand has rendered its efforts almost futile. Thanapon said one patient died as she called to plead for help from the foundation.

 

“We could never work fast enough. We asked her to wait, but it was too late,” he said.

 

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3142317/coronavirus-thai-volunteers-step-delta-cases-send

It was a waste of time getting covid19 health insurance then, if you needed hospital care you would not be getting it pretty soon

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4 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

The authorities need to pull out ALL of the stops now and quit pussy-footing around, simply blaming the rise in numbers to the Delta variant.  There are a lot more causes than just the Delta variant:

•  All of this talk about lack of supply is hogwash.  Worldwide, there are ample supplies available to those governments determined to get them.  What's lacking here in Thailand are politicians with the resolve and the determination to cut all the red tape and political shenanigans that are currently being played out.

False. Unless you count the Chinese vaccines.

[clivebaxter]

7 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

I shudder to ask this, but what stricter measures have they even got left in the bag at this point? 

 

Measures taken have already turned what was a nice place into a dystopian hellhole of boredom. What is there even left to close?

Not crematoriums that's for sure, our local wat is doing very good business now ????

[DrJack54]

7 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Vaccination confirmation. Bangsue.

Can I ask when did you apply.

I received nothing back.

[James105]

16 minutes ago, wensiensheng said:

He is just trolling. Maybe joking. One of the two. His posts are usually more detailed than that.

Partly joking.  I've always said that closing OUTDOOR spaces to allow people to socialise was a foolish thing to do as people would do it anyway but indoors in smaller unventilated spaces, and tho and behold, this is exactly what has been happening.   Quelle surprise.   

[DrJack54]

5 minutes ago, James105 said:

Elevators in Condos.   I'd close them all down at this point.   Would also ensure that people only leave them when absolutely necessary.   

If this is a joke (surely is) post it in the pub forum.

Does not have much value here.

[LazySlipper]

46 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

They won't count. But, if your kit tests positive, you can then get a test at a lab or hospital or testing site. 

That was implied...

[dinsdale]

Just now, DrJack54 said:

Can I ask when did you apply.

I received nothing back.

This wk. Can't quite remember what day. Tues or Wed maybe. Email Fri and SMS last night. 

[smedly]

1 hour ago, LazySlipper said:

OMG here we go!

 

Wait till the home testing kits start to add to the tally.

only PCR tests are included in the data

[WaveHunter]

8 minutes ago, placeholder said:

False. Unless you count the Chinese vaccines.

It's not false at all.  The US managed to secure over 1 BILLION doses into their stockpile, and many other countries have been able to meet their needs as well. 

 

Thailand is NOT a third world country, despie what many people believe.  It is one of the wealthiest asian nations in the region, and has the financial resources to have handled vaccine procurement from the global market FAR BETTER than they have managed so far.

 

They  could have done far better had they not resorted to playing political games back in December when they delayed approval of foreing brands of vaccines as a tactic to favor home-based vaccines.  Even today, Thailand still plays these political games instead of just getting down to the business of getting vaccines into the country by whatever means possible.

 

Today there are supplies of vaccines out there on the global market for countries determined to secure them.  Thailand is NOT doing everything possible to do that, not by a long stretch.

Edited July 25, 2021 by WaveHunter

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, James105 said:

Partly joking.  I've always said that closing OUTDOOR spaces to allow people to socialise was a foolish thing to do as people would do it anyway but indoors in smaller unventilated spaces, and tho and behold, this is exactly what has been happening.   Quelle surprise.   

As I keep saying inside or out this thing spreads. All medical experts are warning about fleeting transmission in outdoor settings.

[mistral53]

Gawd, the sky is falling.......again - total and absolute destruction of Thailand is imminent. Tallied infections are totally irrelevant as there are too many variables in the process, this is a worldwide problem. Accumulated death are very low (56/1 mil, compared to over 1800/1 mil in the US, UK etc), and the daily tally is quite stable.

 

Thailand is doing a reasonable job balancing the hysteria with measures to keep a lid on the Covid spread, I hope they do not tighten any more, it just makes life miserable for most people.

 

 

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Just now, WaveHunter said:

It's not false at all.  The US managed to secure over 1 BILLION doses into their stockpile, and many other countries have been able to meet their needs as well. 

 

Thailand is NOT a third world country, despie what many people believe.  It is one of the wealthiest asian nations in the region, and has the financial resources to have handled vaccine procurement on the global market FAR BETTER than they have managed so far.

 

They  could have done far better than they have to date if they did not play political games back in December when other more determined countries were focusing on securing vaccines.  Even today, Thailand still plays political games, delaying approval of vaccine brands when most other countries long ago already approved them. 

 

Today there are supplies of vaccines out there on the global market for countries determined to secure them.  Thailand is NOT doing everything possible to do that, not by a long stretch.

The US ordered early as did those countries that have the most desirable vaccines. Please share with us cases of countries that recently ordered large quantities of the mRNA vaccines or AZ and will be receiving them shortly. 

[LazySlipper]

1 minute ago, smedly said:

only PCR tests are included in the data

Geeez... thanks professors... it is implied that if someone tests positive they will double check at a hospital...

[wensiensheng]

16 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

I shudder to ask this, but what stricter measures have they even got left in the bag at this point? 

 

Measures taken have already turned what was a nice place into a dystopian hellhole of boredom. What is there even left to close?

You need to think in a wider context cipher. You seem to be thinking in terms of restaurants, cafes, discos and bars. Or have I got that wrong?

[Marvin Hagler]

10 minutes ago, sandyf said:

If rising cases equals "shambolic", that pretty much sums up  most of the western nations.

Cases in the US are up 65% in the last week with 151 daily deaths,  “a pandemic of the unvaccinated” would be the same wherever.

When the pandemic first started Bojo was all in favour of herd immunity and has now reverted to that same policy, which has become more than "shambolic" with the so called "pingdemic".

The situation is not good but certainly not unique to Thailand.

BIG difference…all those governments were voted in with fair and free election processes and if the populace is dissatisfied then they can vote them out. Not the case in Thailand.

 

This is more a matter of opinion but I believe those other countries you mentioned had best intentions at heart (for the very reason that they can be held to account if they didn’t)…sadly I am becoming more and more convinced by the day that Thailand is in the mess due to greed and corruption.

[wensiensheng]

6 minutes ago, James105 said:

Partly joking.  I've always said that closing OUTDOOR spaces to allow people to socialise was a foolish thing to do as people would do it anyway but indoors in smaller unventilated spaces, and tho and behold, this is exactly what has been happening.   Quelle surprise.   

I can see your point on outdoor spaces such as parks and beaches.. Just can’t see the link to your comment about alcohol. Was intended to be an observation on open air bars?

[James105]

 

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As I keep saying inside or out this thing spreads. All medical experts are warning about fleeting transmission in outdoor settings.

Not really.   https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-55680305

[WaveHunter]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

The US ordered early as did those countries that have the most desirable vaccines. Please share with us cases of countries that recently ordered large quantities of the mRNA vaccines or AZ and will be receiving them shortly. 

Look, I'm not looking to debate and nitpick.  Find someone else to play that game if that's what you want to do.

 

Anybody with a head on their shoulders realizes that Thailand dropped the ball on securing vaccines from any/all foreign sources.  Anybody with a head on their shoulders knows that those in charge right now are not handling the rollout well and they are not handling containment efforts effectively.

 

Anybody who is being objective knows that there is much more that authorities could do right now to deal with this situation effectively, if they would just stop playing political games and get down to business.

[Danderman123]

22 minutes ago, The Cipher said:

I shudder to ask this, but what stricter measures have they even got left in the bag at this point? 

 

Measures taken have already turned what was a nice place into a dystopian hellhole of boredom. What is there even left to close?

Total ban on alcohol sales at shops.

[wensiensheng]

2 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said:

BIG difference…all those governments were voted in with fair and free election processes and if the populace is dissatisfied then they can vote them out. Not the case in Thailand.

 

This is more a matter of opinion but I believe those other countries you mentioned had best intentions at heart (for the very reason that they can be held to account if they didn’t)…sadly I am becoming more and more convinced by the day that Thailand is in the mess due to greed and corruption.

Well the other big difference is in the percentage of the population that is vaccinated. At some point in time governments have to decide that vaccination rates are sufficiently high to open up and allow cases to sky rocket. The UK has done it and hopefully other countries reach the point where their vaccination rates allow them to consider the possibility of doing so.

[smedly]

33 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

When I read your post and then think about what this Government thinks truly of the lower class of people it makes me angry knowing that it may be a form of allowed genocide.  Just shocking to think like this, but if it was only to allow them to go home and live together because they could pool their resources then I could buy it, but then my mind turns to the darkness that I believe pervades the minds of those in power.  Sorry, but I had to say what was on my mind and how I feel.

I have said many times they are either insanely incompetent or it is by design - either way it is severly flawed

[ThailandRyan]

14 minutes ago, clivebaxter said:

Not crematoriums that's for sure, our local wat is doing very good business now ????

Hopefully it can keep up without catching fire or collapsing due to overuse like 2 here in BKK have done so far.

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Not really.   https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-55680305

Maybe you should have checked the date. 22/04/2021. This story does not even mention Delta.

Edited July 25, 2021 by dinsdale

[Misty]

15 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

+1 and in total agreement with your synopsis.  If those like the poster you responded to could run freely doing what they want, drinking in the bars, I believe the numbers would definitely be as you stated x10 at a minimum.

I agree as well. I don't see how unrestricted activity with a largely unvaccinated population could be a good idea.  Delta is a different animal than last year's COVID.

 

For an example, see the US state of Florida.  Nearly 50% fully vaccinated with one of the US approved vaccines (Moderna, Pfizer, J&J).  But currently no restrictions -delta is burning through Florida's unvaccinated. 

 

Thailand is only about 5% fully vaccinated with the vaccines that are approved here.  Letting delta spread even more quickly would completely overwhelm hospitals and health care.  Forget about getting any care for anything at all in those circumstances, let alone COVID.

[looplaw]

53 minutes ago, James105 said:

9th April - Bars ordered closed in Chonburi and no alcohol to be served in restaurants.  Number of cases = 34

25th July after 3 months of these measures.   Number of cases = 795

 

Any explanation as to why these measures have made the situation so much worse?  

Good Point!