Sergeant’s vaccine brag prompts renewed demands for Pfizer clarity

[Liverpool Lou]

20 minutes ago, mark131v said:

51 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"So how do they do it in the USA? "

No idea, it's irrelevant but 7-11 workers give vaccinations in the US?  Really?

 

"The required training to administer a jab is not to a particularly high level".

Really?  You've has some experience of giving injections?   You'd take one from a 7-11 staffer?   

 

"There is already a big network of community health volunteers".

Where?  But what's that got to do with '7-11 vaccinations'?

 

"If it is made commercially viable then they will find the space.".

How?  Build extensions on the shops or take away the retail space?

 

 

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I would it is not exactly rocket science is it, so long as there is a first aider with an epi-pen and basic first aid training damn right I would

 

What do I know, well I am a paramedic who must have given thousands of vaccinations my initial training, jab it in quick withdraw plunger any blood in it your in the wrong place

 

Like I said it ain't rocket science...

Well, in the circumstances that he suggested in a 7-11, there wouldn't be a trained first-aider with equipment.

 

Nice to know that you consider your 'paramedic' ability as comparable to a 7-11 shelf stacker!

[Misty]

7 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I looked at this picture and smiled at the thought of 7/11 doing this. Then I thought a bit more.

 

7/11 has, probably, the greatest "reach" in the country. It has refrigeration, an effective (refrigerated) logistics chain, and a predominantly young and it seems to me helpful workforce. They know the numbers in the areas they serve. They are pretty clean.

 

So: set up a corner of the store, table and a couple of chairs. Patient/customer comes for vaccination, staff member, who has received a couple of days basic training at the local hospital (remember all the girls at secondary school get red cross cadets every week) takes blood pressure, asks mandatory questions, gives jab and sits customer/ patient to rest for 15 minutes. At the end of the day paperwork is taken to the local hospital for processing. 7/11 is paid a fee per vaccination.  Supervised by the local hospital.

 

It would work?

 

Of course the supply of vaccines may be the problem, but give that to the private sector to sort out as well...

 

 

In the US, the chain stores are pharmacies and the people giving the vaccines are pharmacists.

 

[herfiehandbag]

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

because being a netizen means never admitting you reacted without knowing all the facts.

 

“I am currently performing my duty as a military nurse at the Khai Si Song Rak Hospital, which makes me more at risk of contact with Covid-19 patients,” he wrote on Monday.

 

“I had initially asked to reserve the Moderna vaccine in October, but seeing as that will take too long, I have chosen to receive the Pfizer vaccines instead which has been prioritized to frontline medical workers such as myself.”

As ever, it is the perception that matters. It wasn't until subsequent posts that it emerged that he was an army medic.

 

The perception remains that he received favourable treatment because he was in the army.

 

Perhaps understandably?

[Bluespunk]

27 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

As ever, it is the perception that matters. It wasn't until subsequent posts that it emerged that he was an army medic.

 

The perception remains that he received favourable treatment because he was in the army.

 

Perhaps understandably?

I know that the full situation wasn’t revealed till later, that’s why I quoted the part from the OP which stated that even after the situation was clarified some netizens still carried on complaining…

Edited August 10, 2021 by Bluespunk

[herfiehandbag]

4 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I know that the full situation wasn’t revealed till later, that’s why I quoted the part from the OP which stated that even after the situation was clarified some netizens still carried on complaining…

Yes indeed. There again, perhaps this could be regarded as a "self inflicted wound" (if such a thing exists on social media) given the deep mistrust evidently felt by so many over the management of the whole sorry (vaccination) business.

[spidermike007]

Other than a perceived sense of self importance, can anyone cite why the military is important to Thailand? I sure can't. What do they do? What tasks do they perform for the nation? 

 

it would have been so easy to use the soldiers to patrol the border areas, no matter how rural, and rough the terrain, and stop infected, super spreader illegals, from coming across the border, and arresting corrupt border officials on the spot, at the same time. At a minimum, it would have been good training. 

 

And that brings up another important question and issue. What on earth do these soldiers do? Who are they protecting us from? How does the nation justify a half million soldiers? And 2,200 generals. Talk about bloat. And the ridiculous military budget of 223,000,000,000 baht? And that is the stated budget. Who knows how high it really is? 

 

 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, herfiehandbag said:

Yes indeed. There again, perhaps this could be regarded as a "self inflicted wound" (if such a thing exists on social media) given the deep mistrust evidently felt by so many over the management of the whole sorry (vaccination) business.

Yeah, well I have little time for conspiracy theories and the netizens who keep promoting them despite known facts. 
 

Though there is no doubt the govt has completely ****ed up the vaccination programme. 

[mark131v]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Well, in the circumstances that he suggested in a 7-11, there wouldn't be a trained first-aider with equipment.

 

Nice to know that you consider your 'paramedic' ability as comparable to a 7-11 shelf stacker!

Lots of things I am trained to do with regard to vaccinations could be done just as well by a 7-11 shelf stacker they just need to be trained and as I explained administering a covid jab is a simple very low risk procedure

 

As Herfie said there is an abundance of kids that have done basic first aid, again I would have no problem having a covid jab at a 7-11 by an appropriately trained shelf stacker trained to recognise anaphylaxis and jab me with an Epipen whilst awaiting a trip to A&E

 

Your ignorance as to the risks of having a covid jab is telling for the record getting to and from the 7-11 would be the riskiest part of the whole operation and in my experience the general skill level of most supposed Healthcare Professional's in LoS is a lucky dip anyway...

[it is what it is]

 of course the governmrnt are favouring sections of the poulation for vaccination, this can hardly be a surspise to thais, or foreigners.

 

not surprised that as all my thai friends are educated middle/upper class professionals they, and members of their families over 18,  have all been vaccinated

[mark131v]

6 minutes ago, it is what it is said:

not surprised that as all my thai friends are educated middle/upper class professionals they, and members of their families over 18,  have all been vaccinated

And that my friend is Thailand in microcosm, there are no common rules that money or 'do you know who I am' cannot surmount, tragic really but hardly surprising...

[4MyEgo]

11 hours ago, steve187 said:

Medpark is using some of the 150,000 doses allocated to non Thais.

That was part of the sweetener wasn't it ?

[billd766]

8 hours ago, grandpa said:

What is Medpark?  I registered along with 40,000 other non-Thais 10 days ago and was told to wait for an e-mail appointment!  So far nothing!  I live in Khon Kaen and am 70+ with 3 of the 7 underlying medical conditions.  Why are Medpark issuing Pfizer to those under 60 when there are those over 60 with medical conditions yet to be vaccinated?

 

You registered as I and some 40.xxx others did. The information was given that appointments would be issued from 11 and 12 August, Which is tomorrow and Thursday.

 

You should get an email and/or an SMS which you need to acknowledge to confirm the appointment and get vaccinated.

 

I am 77, also  with 3 of the 7 underlying medical conditions. I have managed to wait quite patiently until I get told where and when to go for my vaccination.

 

There have been several threads on this subject in the last few days, why don't you search for them and see what they say?

 

I have no idea what Medpark is, other than yet another site to register for a vaccination. I believe it is some where around the BKK area, but I could be wrong.

[billd766]

56 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Other than a perceived sense of self importance, can anyone cite why the military is important to Thailand? I sure can't. What do they do? What tasks do they perform for the nation? 

 

it would have been so easy to use the soldiers to patrol the border areas, no matter how rural, and rough the terrain, and stop infected, super spreader illegals, from coming across the border, and arresting corrupt border officials on the spot, at the same time. At a minimum, it would have been good training. 

 

And that brings up another important question and issue. What on earth do these soldiers do? Who are they protecting us from? How does the nation justify a half million soldiers? And 2,200 generals. Talk about bloat. And the ridiculous military budget of 223,000,000,000 baht? And that is the stated budget. Who knows how high it really is? 

 

 

Many times the military are called out during floods etc to rescue people who are trapped, so the are some good units in the army. There are few bad soldiers, fewer good officers and far too many generals in the bloated Thai military.

[Rimmer]

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[mark131v]

33 minutes ago, robbioff said:

I have yet to meet anyone, that’s right anyone, in this part of Asia who wants the vaccine

Blimey!

 

Have you not seen all the post's and replies from BM's on here who are absolutely desperate to get a vaccination, seriously...

[steven100]

It's a Pfizer then,  and not waiting in a queue with 2000 farang.....    pay myself.

[impulse]

10 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I looked at this picture and smiled at the thought of 7/11 doing this. Then I thought a bit more.

 

7/11 has, probably, the greatest "reach" in the country. It has refrigeration, an effective (refrigerated) logistics chain, and a predominantly young and it seems to me helpful workforce. They know the numbers in the areas they serve. They are pretty clean.

 

So: set up a corner of the store, table and a couple of chairs. Patient/customer comes for vaccination, staff member, who has received a couple of days basic training at the local hospital (remember all the girls at secondary school get red cross cadets every week) takes blood pressure, asks mandatory questions, gives jab and sits customer/ patient to rest for 15 minutes. At the end of the day paperwork is taken to the local hospital for processing. 7/11 is paid a fee per vaccination.  Supervised by the local hospital.

 

It would work?

 

Of course the supply of vaccines may be the problem, but give that to the private sector to sort out as well...

The problem with doing it at 7/11 is the danger of a bad reaction.  In the USA, you're rarely more than a few minutes away from a fully equipped, well trained (and stupid expensive) EMT ambulance or Life Flight helicopter.  In Thailand, a 7/11 can be hours away from help.

 

 

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Other than a perceived sense of self importance, can anyone cite why the military is important to Thailand? I sure can't. What do they do? What tasks do they perform for the nation? 

 

it would have been so easy to use the soldiers to patrol the border areas, no matter how rural, and rough the terrain, and stop infected, super spreader illegals, from coming across the border, and arresting corrupt border officials on the spot, at the same time. At a minimum, it would have been good training. 

 

And that brings up another important question and issue. What on earth do these soldiers do? Who are they protecting us from? How does the nation justify a half million soldiers? And 2,200 generals. Talk about bloat. And the ridiculous military budget of 223,000,000,000 baht? And that is the stated budget. Who knows how high it really is? 

 

 

A relatively small proportion of the total number are in any coherent way either trained or deployable. Because of the conscript cycle at any one time 25% are undergoing basic training and another 25% are approaching discharge ("days to do are getting few"). A further 10% are probably employed training and administering these conscripts.

 

Transport and logistic support is limited.

 

Most of the procurement  is done in "penny packets" resulting for example in 17 (!) different makes of rifles; some dozen different makes of artillery pieces. This must produce major logistic and maintenance problems, but is good for the informal benefits of the procurement process.

 

Essential it is a sort of military Ponzi scheme for the benefit of those at the top!

 

Edited August 10, 2021 by herfiehandbag

[macnmotion]

I'm curious what you all think -- how do you define front-line medical worker? Obviously doctors/nurses/technicians/etc. who come into contact with patients. What about the accounting department that works in office space on their own floor of a hospital? Or a marketing team that works in a separate building? How would you feel if the Pfizer vaccines were going to them? Are they considered front-line workers? And what if those departments already had been double vaccinated with Sinovac -- they have some immunity, would it be ok if they were vaccinated before elderly and infirm?

Edited August 10, 2021 by macnmotion

[Damrongsak]

3 hours ago, Misty said:

In the US, the chain stores are pharmacies and the people giving the vaccines are pharmacists.

AFIK, they've been giving flu shots for years. I don't know how they deal with distancing and space for waiting after the shot, as the places are generally small.  Initially it was done by appointment. But the vaccination rate has dropped off so walk-in is possible.  In my state, 1/3 of all shots are given at pharmacies.

 

Does Thailand have any mobile vaccination buses?

[Andycoops]

Unfortunately the military in Thailand are of no use to the general public and exist only for themselves, rather like the police who are entirely reactive and not in any sense preventative or proactive.

[jacko45k]

22 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Shame we don't see this in Thailand... it could have been so much better.

You don't see a legacy of 600,000 deaths here either. 

[mikebike]

19 hours ago, Srikcir said:

If the soldier's need as a medical care provider was so urgent, why didn't he get (required?) SinoVac that's been available in large quantities most of this year? Or the government's seemingly favorite backup the locally made AstraZeneca that PM Prayut first took? Like many Thai citizens who seem overall to have few other choices.

How do you know this is not his second dose?

[John Drake]

12 hours ago, impulse said:

The problem with doing it at 7/11 is the danger of a bad reaction.  In the USA, you're rarely more than a few minutes away from a fully equipped, well trained (and stupid expensive) EMT ambulance or Life Flight helicopter.  In Thailand, a 7/11 can be hours away from help.

 

 

That's okay. 7 Eleven has cold storage for your body, too, if you have an unfortunate reaction to the vaccination.

[Gandtee]

13 minutes ago, John Drake said:

That's okay. 7 Eleven has cold storage for your body, too, if you have an unfortunate reaction to the vaccination.

In with the Foot Long sausages?????

[55Jay]

23 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

I looked at this picture and smiled at the thought of 7/11 doing this. Then I thought a bit more.

 

7/11 has, probably, the greatest "reach" in the country. It has refrigeration, an effective (refrigerated) logistics chain, and a predominantly young and it seems to me helpful workforce. They know the numbers in the areas they serve. They are pretty clean.

 

So: set up a corner of the store, table and a couple of chairs. Patient/customer comes for vaccination, staff member, who has received a couple of days basic training at the local hospital (remember all the girls at secondary school get red cross cadets every week) takes blood pressure, asks mandatory questions, gives jab and sits customer/ patient to rest for 15 minutes. At the end of the day paperwork is taken to the local hospital for processing. 7/11 is paid a fee per vaccination.  Supervised by the local hospital.

 

It would work?

 

Of course the supply of vaccines may be the problem, but give that to the private sector to sort out as well...

Not sure I agree with 7/11 specifically, but the sentiment is right, IMO.  Love it! ????

 

Ministry of Foreign Affairs handled the establishment of ExpatVax registration process quite well - presume that was a curve ball tasker outside their normal rice bowl. 

 

If I was a highly trained former General Officer, and former Commander of the Thai Armed Forces, now a Prime Minster with special powers in a time of National Emergency, I would relish the opportunity to think outside the box and perhaps temporarily mobilize and exploit private industry's logistics capabilities.
 

The big Thai Breweries, for example, are rather adept at getting their liquid products distributed to every corner of the Kingdom.  Kerry and/or other substantial delivery companies somehow manage to get a bottle of Cholula hot sauce from BKK to my door, 100s of kilometers away, in 48 hours.   And/or the existing fleet of busses with a network of hubs all over the Kingdom. 

 

X number of Pfizer doses required for Y number of people in Z province?  

 

This feels like a relatively easy one.  We'll see if the Minster of Public Health can "git 'er done".

 

[Gandtee]

12 minutes ago, 55Jay said:

Not sure I agree with 7/11 specifically, but the sentiment is right, IMO.  Love it! ????

 

Ministry of Foreign Affairs handled the establishment of ExpatVax registration process quite well - presume that was a curve ball tasker outside their normal rice bowl. 

 

If I was a highly trained former General Officer, and former Commander of the Thai Armed Forces, now a Prime Minster with special powers in a time of National Emergency, I would relish the opportunity to think outside the box and perhaps temporarily mobilize and exploit private industry's logistics capabilities.
 

The big Thai Breweries, for example, are rather adept at getting their liquid products distributed to every corner of the Kingdom.  Kerry and/or other substantial delivery companies somehow manage to get a bottle of Cholula hot sauce from BKK to my door, 100s of kilometers away, in 48 hours.   And/or the existing fleet of busses with a network of hubs all over the Kingdom. 

 

X number of Pfizer doses required for Y number of people in Z province?  

 

This feels like a relatively easy one.  We'll see if the Minster of Public Health can "git 'er done".

 

Oh come on. You ask too much.????

[Srikcir]

21 hours ago, khunPer said:

He is a frontline medical worker, and half of the US-donated Pfizer vaccines will be used as boosters for frontline medical workers, who got two jabs of Sinovac that gives less protection against the Covid-variants. It makes good sense to keep the frontline medical workers Covid-free, they are very needed for the society.

They are especially needed when others go without their 1st Pfizer jab and rather face serious illness or death must turn in the short term to Sinovac or AZ. 

This is a 'rob Peter to pay Paul" scenario.

Do note earlier didn't PM Prayut announce that these workers will get a booster jab of AZ because of SV's low efficacy over time? 

[Srikcir]

2 hours ago, mikebike said:

How do you know this is not his second dose?

How do you know it isn't? 

I'd think it would be more to his creditability for him to say so. But that has a political downside.

In any case previously PM Prayut said these workers needed an AZ booster but the worker is getting one of the 2 'gold standards' covid-19 vaccines.

[macnmotion]

21 hours ago, khunPer said:

He is a frontline medical worker, and half of the US-donated Pfizer vaccines will be used as boosters for frontline medical workers, who got two jabs of Sinovac that gives less protection against the Covid-variants. It makes good sense to keep the frontline medical workers Covid-free, they are very needed for the society.

Is a hospital's marketing department considered front line workers? Accounting? Departments with offices in buildings other than the hospital? How would you feel if the Pfizer vaccine was being given as a booster to them after 2 Sinovac doses before it was given to people who are still unvaccinated?