Thailand reports highs for new COVID-19 cases and recoveries

[RotBenz8888]

6 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Algorithim! Thats a goodone.. Surprised you haven,t been flooded with likes.

Do you know the answer to the question? 

[ThailandRyan]

Just now, Macrohistory said:

 

I'm betting most of us know someone or know of someone who was discharged from the hospital even though they were still sick.  Maybe given a couple of weeks worth of favipiravir and paracetamol and told to take it easy.  If the authorities are counting these people as "recovered," they they're juking the stats.  (Which would be s-h-o-c-k-i-n-g!  55)

 

Yes sir I can attest to that as the GF's daughter was released and sent home with meds to last her for 2 weeks.  She is coming to the end of her home isolation, will be tested once more as well as given a chest x-ray, and then she wants to come back home to us from her fathers house.....time will tell.  She had lost her sense of smell and her ability to taste, poor 7 year old little girl, she was also on supplemental oxygen. 

[herfiehandbag]

Interesting that the total numbers of new infections are no longer announced in the headlines. Or am I just overly suspicious?

[edwinchester]

Add on the antigen tests and the figure is well over 26k.

[DrJack54]

12 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

I'm betting most of us know someone or know of someone who was discharged from the hospital even though they were still sick.  Maybe given a couple of weeks worth of favipiravir and paracetamol and told to take it easy.  If the authorities are counting these people as "recovered," they they're juking the stats.  (Which would be s-h-o-c-k-i-n-g!  55)

 

This is the point. Putting covid aside, people are discharged every day after procedures in a hospital to begin the process of recovery at home. Rehab.

 

 

A Thai friend tested positive for covid, spent time in hospital (2 weeks from positive test, not all in hospital as bed was not available despite breathing issues etc). 

Now asks me why he was sent home and told to "isolate" for 14 days. 

Edited August 12, 2021 by DrJack54

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

This is the point. Putting covid aside, people are discharged every day after procedures in a hospital to begin the process of recovery at home.

Well, hopefully not while they are still contagious and will be returning to join other family members..... a plaster cast on a limb is ok!

Edited August 12, 2021 by jacko45k

[Olmate]

14 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Do you know the answer to the question? 

Yes I have posted on other occasion what the proceedure was for the four people I know who have been admitted positive and 6/7 weeks later discharged.( Not just guessing)!

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Well, hopefully not while they are still contagious and will be returning to join other family members..... a plaster cast on a limb is ok!

Perhaps discharged with pain control meds and advised to keep arm elevated.

Don't think along with advice to self isolate for 14 days. 

[DaveSamutP]

29 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Yes sir I can attest to that as the GF's daughter was released and sent home with meds to last her for 2 weeks.  She is coming to the end of her home isolation, will be tested once more as well as given a chest x-ray, and then she wants to come back home to us from her fathers house.....time will tell.  She had lost her sense of smell and her ability to taste, poor 7 year old little girl, she was also on supplemental oxygen. 

There seem to be many examples of people regaining their smell and taste over their recovery. Hopefully she does. 

[Olmate]

4 minutes ago, Gsxrnz said:

If you toss a coin one million times, empirical evidence clearly states that "over time", the result will be 50% heads and 50% tails to within a very narrow margin of a small fraction of a standard deviation

 

However, there will inevitably be sequences within that million events where say 80% of outcomes were in favor of one outcome, and other sequences where they were 80% in favor of the opposite outcome.

 

If you analyze these narrow band of sequences the deviation from the known normal distribution will be huge, and the more narrow bands of data you analyze, the greater the statistical deviation.

 

Measuring narrow bands of data and knowingly representing this data as a normal distribution over time is popular with IPCC, IMF, WHO, and school children.

 

The table of Sars-cov-2 data provided in this article (and others like it from every country in the world) is statistically useless.

 Pure ‘Two up”players would agree!

[Guderian]

Now I'm confused. The headline number splits the daily total into 22,407 new community infections, plus 375 new cases in prison, giving a grand total of 22,782. That's consistent with the graphic below. However, that graphic also says there were 3,673 cases found by rapid ATK, which I guess is the rapid antigen test you can do at home, So why aren't those 3,673 new cases added to the total found by the PCR tests, to give an overall grand total of 26,455 new cases?

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, Guderian said:

Now I'm confused. The headline number splits the daily total into 22,407 new community infections, plus 375 new cases in prison, giving a grand total of 22,782. That's consistent with the graphic below. However, that graphic also says there were 3,673 cases found by rapid ATK, which I guess is the rapid antigen test you can do at home, So why aren't those 3,673 new cases added to the total found by the PCR tests, to give an overall grand total of 26,455 new cases?

 

 

No confusion really, they won't add them as an actual case unless PCR tested positive.

[buick]

1 hour ago, Swimfan said:

The peak has reached group will probably call it an artifact. They will be along soon.

i've been paying pretty close attention to the 'peak callers' and the last one i remember was a fine, honorable gentleman that has the patent on 'artifact'.   that was a long time ago.  maybe i missed a few along the way.  but i consider myself to be one of the most 'rosy' at this point.

 

i'm in the peak is coming soon camp.  following the projection of a thai official who suggested a peak in approx two weeks.  that was nearly two weeks ago.  let's see how things look mid week (due to odd weekend counts) next week.  i'm focused more on deaths than cases.  we still have alot more deaths to go on the way down, but maybe we'll see a peak in the 7 day, daily average over the next week or two.

 

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, buick said:

i've been paying pretty close attention to the 'peak callers' and the last one i remember was a fine, honorable gentleman that has the patent on 'artifact'.   that was a long time ago.  maybe i missed a few along the way.  but i consider myself to be one of the most 'rosy' at this point.

 

i'm in the peak is coming soon camp.  following the projection of a thai official who suggested a peak in approx two weeks.  that was nearly two weeks ago.  let's see how things look mid week (due to odd weekend counts) next week.  i'm focused more on deaths than cases.  we still have alot more deaths to go on the way down, but maybe we'll see a peak in the 7 day, daily average over the next week or two.

 

All one can do is hope for the best, while also being prepared for the worst.

Edited August 12, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[RotBenz8888]

24 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Yes I have posted on other occasion what the proceedure was for the four people I know who have been admitted positive and 6/7 weeks later discharged.( Not just guessing)!

So are you saying that the recovery numbers in the statistics are based on when the patients are discharged? Do you have facts or are you just guessing? 

[metisdead]

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A post with unsubstantiated speculations has been removed. 

[buick]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Is anyone questioning whether or not this punishing economic lockdown is working?

i do think the lockdown is working.  it is very hard to beat this delta variant once it is loose.  the lockdown is slowing the overall spread somewhat which is allowing the authorities to shore up the health system.  it is not as good as everyone would like (the field hospital set up in the abandoned phuket prison as an example).  it is incredibly hard on the people on the lower end of the economic ladder.  the lockdown is hurting these people beyond my imagination.  i'm seeing more and more homeless along sukhumvit rd btwn emporium and nana.  i hand out money daily.  today i gave a guy a pre packaged breakfast i bought at villa market (with him in mind).  he's been living by benjasiri park, next to emporium.  i don't want a more harsh lockdown, no way do i want to be locked in my room waiting for officials to drop off food and water.  the vast majority of people are following the lockdown 'rules', far, far more than what i witnessed during the lockdown last year.

[Olmate]

12 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

So are you saying that the recovery numbers in the statistics are based on when the patients are discharged? Do you have facts or are you just guessing? 

Have you been in/out hospital here? Did you get discharged? Yes. Same procedure with these patients. Are you suggesting hospitals throw out these proceedures now? 

[NANGFA69]

On 7/29/2021 at 8:52 PM, brewsterbudgen said:

Sorry, but that's ridiculous.  How does expressing some hope that today's slightly lower figures may mark (note: "may") the peak have any bearing on compassion.  What do you hope for?  Hopefully you don't hope that the figures start increasing again; that wouldn't be very compassionate.

 

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

Most cases today are again in #Bangkok (4,856), followed by Samut Sakhon (1,779), Chonburi (1,739), Samut Prakan (1,736), Nonthaburi (729), Sisaket (623), Nakhon Pathom (621), and Ubon (526) * Numbers include inmates #COVID19 #โควิด19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1425623012829585415

 

Is there a Link or Website for individual provinces? Thanks

[anchadian]

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

Chonburi Public Health Office has just announced they have 1,666 new cases and 11 more deaths. Most new cases are in Chonburi City (416), Bang Lamung/Pattaya (204), and Si Racha (544). 19,704 patients are now in care #COVID19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1425606514874613760

 

Further details:

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/12/chonburi-announces-1-666-new-covid-19-cases-with-11-deaths/

[anchadian]

Ministry of Public Health says the average number of RT-PCR tests for the past 7 days was 52,404 cases per day. Today there were 22,782 positive cases which is 43% of the daily testing average. The number of people being tested is also on a decline. (Source: @Ch3ThailandNews)

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1425664063405658120

 

[smedly]

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Over 5,000 serious and 1,000 on ventilators very sad to see this. I am sure they have the information would like to know how many of them have been vaccinated and if so what vaccine they received.

that is the sort of information you will get from countries that are open and transparent like the UK and USA - sorry to say that Thailand is not one of them - it is obvious that this government are determined to hide information that ultimately they percieve as making them look bad - that is rather unfortunate and is certainly not in the public interest - they spend a lot of effort in attempting to hide the extent of their ongoing incompetence sadly at the cost of lives 

[RotBenz8888]

3 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Have you been in/out hospital here? Did you get discharged? Yes. Same procedure with these patients. Are you suggesting hospitals throw out these proceedures now? 

Look, we're talking about statistics here. The question is what the daily official recovery number is based on. You claimed to have facts, where are they? Or are you just guessing based on your anecdotes? 

[DLock]

I am confused.

 

If today was a record at 22,782, and if people stay 14-days in hospital on average, how is it possible that 23,649 were released from hospital? 

 

14-days ago, hospital admittance was 17,669. 

 

(15-days ago was 16,533 and 13-days ago was 17,345, just for comparison)

 

So where were the other 5,000 that were released yesterday come from?

[jojothai]

"15,588 people in Bangkok, tested positive for COVID-19 using Antigen Test Kits (ATK), out of 141,516 (11%) screened between ..."

 

thats 11% of those screened, and it sounds as if 70% of them had the virus. Most asymptomatic.

That must be a concern.

Getting more rapid antigen tests done may show just how well spread the virus is. The situation could be worse than most of us hope.

[spidermike007]

30 minutes ago, buick said:

i do think the lockdown is working.  it is very hard to beat this delta variant once it is loose.  the lockdown is slowing the overall spread somewhat which is allowing the authorities to shore up the health system.  it is not as good as everyone would like (the field hospital set up in the abandoned phuket prison as an example).  it is incredibly hard on the people on the lower end of the economic ladder.  the lockdown is hurting these people beyond my imagination.  i'm seeing more and more homeless along sukhumvit rd btwn emporium and nana.  i hand out money daily.  today i gave a guy a pre packaged breakfast i bought at villa market (with him in mind).  he's been living by benjasiri park, next to emporium.  i don't want a more harsh lockdown, no way do i want to be locked in my room waiting for officials to drop off food and water.  the vast majority of people are following the lockdown 'rules', far, far more than what i witnessed during the lockdown last year.

I sure hope you are right about the lockdown working. And I sure wish this government cared at least a tiny bit about the common man, and the plight this has put him in. Kudos to you for feeding the needy. I sense the economic devastation, and homelessness is only going to get worse for some time. 

 

While he may not be responsible for Covid, he and Anutin made many poor moves which allowed the spread. Not locking down the Samut seafood market area, within a 2km. radius, and and making sure nobody come in and out for 15 days, back in early December when they had 900 plus cases in one day, was a legendary mistake and amounted to gross malfeasance and likely blatant corruption. 

Not sealing off the border with Burma, with the use of the 550,000 soldiers who are supposed to protect the nation, (and likely do next to nothing daily) and allowing corrupt border officials to continue working their franchises, was another. 

Announcing the closure of construction sites in Bangkok, a week in advance of closing them was as bone headed as it gets. It allowed super spreaders to travel freely all over the nation, resulting in an immediate surge of nationwide cases. 

And the severe bungling of the vaccination program is absolutely unforgivable. Even for a Christian. LOL. You want me to go on? This is not Covid. This is Pratin 19!

Oppression, when used to mask institutional failure is a pathetic thing to witness. Kind of reminds me a bit of Cuba, or North Korea. Both failed states. Very weak, Prayuth. You are a failed man, leading a nearly failed state. We know you well enough by now. And we know what this ban means. It means all criticism of your failures will be prohibited and enforced by your corrupt and pathetic police. You are a weak man, who is showing his panic, and it only makes your weakness and extreme failures more apparent. And despite the potential dangers, hopefully few of us will take these threats to heart and submit to your CCP type tactics. 

Based on the number of cases, the lack of a lockdown around Samut, that infamous day back in December, the issues at the borders with migrant crossings and YOUR super corrupt border officials, the incredibly feeble vaccination drives taking place thus far, the bizarre bans on some businesses but not others, (transparent cronyism and massive corruption) the curfews, and the incoherent plan in terms of travel to a from highly infected areas, and the highly selective enforcement of closures, it seems safe to say that the credit the government was given during the first wave was misplaced, and undeserved, that it was more or less "dumb luck", and that we are not in particularly safe hands at the moment.

[ThailandRyan]

24 minutes ago, Olmate said:

Have you been in/out hospital here? Did you get discharged? Yes. Same procedure with these patients. Are you suggesting hospitals throw out these proceedures now? 

Think your missing the point.  My GF's daughter, 7 years old was sent home from the hospital still sick, but not needing treatment except for the Favipirvar and the paracetamol.  She was to isolate for 14 days at the end she was to be retested and then also given a chest x-ray to ensure she had cleared.  She was not discharged as being healthy nor given a medical certificate they give you when they truly discharge you from care.  

[Olmate]

8 minutes ago, RotBenz8888 said:

Look, we're talking about statistics here. The question is what the daily official recovery number is based on. You claimed to have facts, where are they? Or are you just guessing based on your anecdotes? 

 

2 hours ago, RotBenz8888 said:

It can neither be based on negative followup tests or discharge from hospital. And of course impossible to follow up every case. It has to be some kind of algorithm with median time from onset to recovery is used, like 2 weeks for mild and 8 weeks for severe-(just a guess) 

 

 

You had it right in your opening comment but chose to go with the algo rubbish (guess)! You don,t give enough respect to the health care industry here either!

[metisdead]

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[club]

30 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Non-infectious, and not requiring hospitalization... is the typical meaning worldwide... not sure if Thailand has an additional spin on that (not necessarily fully recovered, and may never be if they were in the unlucky group with 'long covid').

What  recoveries means here in Thailand most likely is you still test positive with either no symptoms or mild symptoms and can fully recover at home, but if you are still Covid positive you CAN still spread it. In the USA if you tested positive at hospital but you had no symptoms or mild ones you would be sent home and told to Quarantine for 14 days. I know because it happened to my 30 year old son. Its another misleading statement when they say people released recovered.