1 hour ago, phills2k1 said:

Haven't been following as much recently. What's the consensus on the decrease in cases?  A true reason for optimism, solely because of fewer tests, or a little bit of both?

I hear fewer ambulances now than in the past but not a big difference, still more than normal for sure. This is in Udon. A friend of mine went to a hospital in a town not far from here a few days ago. It was busy but not overwhelmed in any way. Sure, staff is stretched (tired) but it looked like that's more because they must also take care of the covid-19 quarantine on the other side of the road (easily over 100 patients mainly from Bangkok, no or weak symptoms) and vaccinations. I went to take the second vaccine there Thursday, definitely a positive experience. I hear they have taken in quite a few extra staff.

 

Difficult one to call. I see no signs at all of that it's getting worse "up here", that's for sure. Cases that pop up occasionally in the town are swiftly taken care of, close  contacts are tested, people are ordered into home-quarantine. Strange in a way, this area is very far from the dreadful word "herd immunity" so why isn't it getting worse?

 

Perhaps it's because the very vast majority here seem to really follow home-quarantine rules and mask usage is good (except in the fields and sitting in the evenings "with the normal gang" having a beer). I simply don't know but it's not getting worse.   

 

Covid-19: Singapore residents who took Sinovac turn to Pfizer to up their antibody counts, amid debate on booster shots

 

Even after receiving her second dose of the Sinovac vaccine last month, Soh, a 43-year-old Singaporean, was unsure about her immunity levels. So she went to get an antibody test – and the result took her by surprise.

 

Her antibody count stood at 140, a figure her doctor said was about 10 times lower than what someone would have after two Pfizer-BioNTech doses, which along with Moderna shots are provided free to residents of the island nation above the age of 12.

 

Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious diseases specialist at Rophi Clinic, one of 31 private clinics allowed to administer Sinovac jabs, said there had been an increasing number of patients who found there was inadequate protection from the Chinese-made vaccine.

 

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3146944/covid-19-singapore-residents-who-took-sinovac-turn

21 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

New information I have been seeing is that the Above 60 and elderly crowd were left in the dust for the vaccines and a very large percentage were and are still being unvaccinated.  This is a whole country problem and not just the dark red provinces they are so ingrained to blame.

Note that most over 70 in Thailand are afraid of the vaccine and really don't want to get vaccinated, especially upcountry. Many of the elgerly who go / are taken there have simply given in to pretty tough persuation by relatives 

825,410 Inoculations yesterday. + 2, 7772 booster shots.

393,633 for the first shot

431,777 for the second shot 

And an additional 2, 772 for a third booster shot

By any standards that is an impressive Inoculation performance for a single Day.

I suppose it makes the figure look so much better for the loosening of some lockdown measures toady.

 

6 minutes ago, MikeyIdea said:

Note that most over 70 in Thailand are afraid of the vaccine and really don't want to get vaccinated, especially upcountry. Many of the elgerly who go / are taken there have simply given in to pretty tough persuation by relatives 

Where did you get that note from?

8 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Covid-19: Singapore residents who took Sinovac turn to Pfizer to up their antibody counts, amid debate on booster shots

 

Even after receiving her second dose of the Sinovac vaccine last month, Soh, a 43-year-old Singaporean, was unsure about her immunity levels. So she went to get an antibody test – and the result took her by surprise.

 

Her antibody count stood at 140, a figure her doctor said was about 10 times lower than what someone would have after two Pfizer-BioNTech doses, which along with Moderna shots are provided free to residents of the island nation above the age of 12.

 

Dr Leong Hoe Nam, an infectious diseases specialist at Rophi Clinic, one of 31 private clinics allowed to administer Sinovac jabs, said there had been an increasing number of patients who found there was inadequate protection from the Chinese-made vaccine.

 

https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3146944/covid-19-singapore-residents-who-took-sinovac-turn

That is one scary proposition

48 minutes ago, Pravda said:

Soon 0 cases and 18,435 recoveries.

On 15th October.... 

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Where did you get that note from?

No official record, just that I've been here for 30 years. I hear the same story from all Thai's I know. 

41 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

As I always say Stay safe, protect your family and until the all clear is sounded world wide do the right thing to care for yourself and others.

Yes -- stay safe. Get a GPS tracker bracelet for the mia noi(s).

 

 

1 hour ago, Gsxrnz said:

That's considered a heretical thought and doesn't conform to the orthodox hysteria you are required to display. National Office of Statistics median age of death from/with covid in the UK is 82.  But sshhhh - don't tell anybody.

 

For the doubters, here is the data link. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/13165averageageofdeathmedianandmeanofpersonswhosedeathwasduetocovid19orinvolvedcovid19bysexdeathsregisteredinmarch2020tomarch2021englandandwales

So if I read your comment correctly, what you're saying is 'who needs grandpa and grandma'?

 

I might add that the data ends March 2021, which is before Delta really took hold. The official stats will come out later, but the average age of death in the US seems to have dropped significantly, as Delta is taking young people, too, some before they even get a chance to be 'Dad', not even 'grandpa'.

Just now, MikeyIdea said:

No official record, just that I've been here for 30 years. I hear the same story from all Thai's I know. 

Ok, I've been here half that figure and not heard it aside from a few who were hesitant to take Sinovac.

52 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Google translate:

 

???? Statistics of proactive COVID-19 screening by ATK and RT-PCR methods in Bangkok area classified by district group

???? Data during 26 Jul. - 30 Aug. '64

???? There is a total of all those who are examined.

???? ATK type = 148,879 cases

????️ found = 28,025 cases

????️ No infection = 120,854 cases

???? RT-PCR type = 55,809 cases

????️ found = 33,668 cases

????️ No infection = 21,199 cases

 

Data from the Office of Public Health Coroner as of 30 Aug.

 

 

60 % positivity on the PCR testing numbers is huge.

20 % ( approx ) positivity for ATK testing is also a very high number.

With infection rates such as this its a tad difficult to believe the Headline " Covid cases down "

1 hour ago, phills2k1 said:

Haven't been following as much recently. What's the consensus on the decrease in cases?  A true reason for optimism, solely because of fewer tests, or a little bit of both?

When the number of deaths go up but the number of cases go down, I strongly suspect fewer tests are being given to entice tourists. My opinion.

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

Google translate:

 

???? Statistics of proactive COVID-19 screening by ATK and RT-PCR methods in Bangkok area classified by district group

???? Data during 26 Jul. - 30 Aug. '64

???? There is a total of all those who are examined.

???? ATK type = 148,879 cases

????️ found = 28,025 cases

????️ No infection = 120,854 cases

???? RT-PCR type = 55,809 cases

????️ found = 33,668 cases

????️ No infection = 21,199 cases

 

Data from the Office of Public Health Coroner as of 30 Aug.

 

 

Another take away from these numbers is that only a Total of 204,688 tests of either PCR or ATK were conducted over a 5 Day period in BKK.

That is an average of 40,937 tests per Day average.

That, by any stretch of the imagination, is not a good number of tests for a population the size of BKK

1 hour ago, TooMuchTime said:

0.97% overall death rate is good in comparison to the US with around 1.65%. 

Wonder what it looks like if you break it down in age groups.

The good overall death rate look wrong - what factors make it so low apart from not testing all the dead for Covid. So comparing is a bit useless.

Also (in the UK maybe in the USA) the death rate from covid is verified by looking at the pre-covid death rate. Not reported here (I am sure it is compared) - it would likely show how pants on fire their claim to be "better than others" is.

54 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

825,410 Inoculations yesterday. + 2, 7772 booster shots.

393,633 for the first shot

431,777 for the second shot 

And an additional 2, 772 for a third booster shot

By any standards that is an impressive Inoculation performance for a single Day.

I suppose it makes the figure look so much better for the loosening of some lockdown measures toady.

 

Finally it looks like progress. The only black cloud is the figures include the CCP <deleted>. I wonder how many non CCP <deleted> jabs there are?

Still CCP <deleted> is better than nothing - if that is the choice facing Thailand.

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

Chonburi Public Health Office is reporting 879 new cases today and 2 more deaths. Most new cases are in Chonburi City (183), Bang Lamung/Pattaya (136), and Si Racha (269). There are 15,557 patients in care #COVID19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1432858791477854214

Good to see Pattaya count decreasing I need a holiday!

If only there were vaccines for old/sick expats in Sisaket (pleeeeeese not CCP <deleted>)

25 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

Another take away from these numbers is that only a Total of 204,688 tests of either PCR or ATK were conducted over a 5 Day period in BKK.

That is an average of 40,937 tests per Day average.

That, by any stretch of the imagination, is not a good number of tests for a population the size of BKK

July 26 - August 30 is 35 days, not 5 days.

32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ok, I've been here half that figure and not heard it aside from a few who were hesitant to take Sinovac.

I find it to be a bit of the same also in the west. I'm Swedish, the only ones who question taking the virus are the elderly but they do take it of course. The younger ones are positive and don't question it at all. There are very few anti-vaxxers in Sweden.

 

I find it different between big cities and upcountry in Thailand. In the office in Bangkok: Jokes about grand parents: - I don't know if I should take it. Of course you should. OK, then. Easy. Upcountry: Most elderly Thai's I have met dislike hospitals / have to be persuaded. Even more difficult with vaccine. All conversation in Thai 

Lets not miss yesterday's 256 in the litterbox of Phuket

Puts them near the top 10

Time for deep dark red colour coding?

1 hour ago, ThailandRyan said:

With the numbers they are showing as tested via PCR and the positives for the day that is a 31% positivity rate still.  If you decided to test the population en-mass, as should be done instead of trying to artificially lower those numbers so you can open, you might find a whole hell of a lot of actual cases. Funny thing is that the ones testing positive are showing up at the hospitals looking for treatment while the ones with minor symptoms testing positive via the ATK tests are staying home or better yet still wandering around infecting others.....

All very true and with a 31% positive rate from miniscule testing, opening up the country and lifting restrictions is clear evidence that the Junta are still deeply infected with delusional denial with apparently no cure for these megalomaniacs in sight.

Just 6.7% of over 60's have been vaccinated. 

 

In short then, by largely avoiding the most vulnerable people the vaccine rollout thus far has been a miserable, pointless failure!

 

32 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

July 26 - August 30 is 35 days, not 5 days.

July 26 is a typo surely

Not applicable to Thailand as such because of the vaccine rollout status is Thailand but I would advise everyone to watch Dr John Campbells latest youtube video were he goes over the latest assessment from various studies and expert reviews of where this is at and where we are headed with this pandemic, a massive seachange is on the way in the west for countries that have an effective vaccine deployment with focus now turning away from mass testing - they now believe that everyone will get this virus vaccinated or not. I think I am right in saying that for vaccinated people this is now no worse than seasonal flu and that seems to be how it will be treated going forward...............................watch the video

 

Thailand and other countries that have not deployed effective vaccines are not there yet so does not apply to them  

Phuket Welcomes Thai Tourists on Sept 8

 

BANGKOK, Sept 1 (TNA) – Phuket will welcome Thai tourists from Sept 8 onwards and those who will stay longer than a week must be tested for COVID-19 there.

 

Phuket governor Narong Woonciew signed an order to add Thai tourists to Phuket’s list of people allowed to pay visits. Local tourists raised the groups of welcomed people to 16 and can arrive in Phuket from Sept 8 onwards.

 

Thai tourists must show the evidence of their accommodation reservation and payment for the accommodation. The Thai tourists who plan to stay in Phuket for more than seven days must be tested for COVID-19 on day 5 after their arrival and pay for the test.

 

https://tna.mcot.net/english-news-770863

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

So if I read your comment correctly, what you're saying is 'who needs grandpa and grandma'?

 

I might add that the data ends March 2021, which is before Delta really took hold. The official stats will come out later, but the average age of death in the US seems to have dropped significantly, as Delta is taking young people, too, some before they even get a chance to be 'Dad', not even 'grandpa'.

0 sources for your claim.

Look at this CDC data set and you will see the past few months compared to 2020 is identical for those under 50.  Elderly now have a higher chance of survival.  Learn to post facts from data, not hearsay.  Making dramatic emotional statements is pathetic.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#demographics

Dataset

https://data.cdc.gov/d/vbim-akqf/visualization

https://data.cdc.gov/Case-Surveillance/COVID-19-Case-Surveillance-Public-Use-Data/vbim-akqf

 

Putting in excel. DeathN/DeathYN filtered by Age and Date

2 hours ago, Gsxrnz said:

That's considered a heretical thought and doesn't conform to the orthodox hysteria you are required to display. National Office of Statistics median age of death from/with covid in the UK is 82.  But sshhhh - don't tell anybody.

 

For the doubters, here is the data link. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/adhocs/13165averageageofdeathmedianandmeanofpersonswhosedeathwasduetocovid19orinvolvedcovid19bysexdeathsregisteredinmarch2020tomarch2021englandandwales

run that over a date range going back 6 months only and it will show a completely different picture - because the picture has changed

 

Vaccine deployment has changed the face of covid - try and keep up 

7 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

July 26 is a typo surely

Okay, I think I understand it now.

 

the official testing period was July 26 to August 30. But they only tested during 5 days in August.

6 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Just 6.7% of over 60's have been vaccinated. 

 

In short then, by largely avoiding the most vulnerable people the vaccine rollout thus far has been a miserable, pointless failure!

 

The exercise was not  a miserable, pointless failure.

I think its fairly safe to assume that many of the Vaccines destined for the Elderly and the Infirmed, were sidetracked into BKK and the highly successful Dirtbox Scheme.

Sarcasm FOC

2 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Lockdowns and reduced testing I expect. I am having a change of heart, this Delta virus cannot be beaten, we all need to catch it and are ultimately destined to do so..... we just need to have been vaccinated first. 

yes that is now what experts are saying, you watched John Campbell's video I assume, they now believe everyone will get infected with this virus just need to make sure everyone is vaccinated