Firebrand Chuwit says GI’s in Vietnam war left "legacy of sex culture" in Thailand

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/22/2021 at 9:02 PM, Will B Good said:

Surprised Maslow's hierarchical needs didn't include Nana at some level.

Nana falls in the "love and belonging" category. Prostitutes fill the void left by "women that won't" that men know. IMO they come to places like Nana from all over the west because Nana girls are the next best thing to a real girlfriend, even if only for a short while.

Western prostitution is too commercial, and too short to fill the void, IMO.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/22/2021 at 9:08 PM, Will B Good said:

....and there's me thinking it must come before shelter ....555

While Maslow doesn't specify reproduction, it's right up at the top level of genetic imperatives.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/22/2021 at 9:17 PM, Thunglom said:

is that a justification?

It needs no justification. It's a fact whether one likes it or not and it's never going away so long as men want sex and women can make money satisfying them.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/22/2021 at 10:57 PM, IAMHERE said:

You'd of thought the Japanese army would of brought that style of sex with them when they were here. American GI's weren't the first foreign army in large numbers to visit Thailand.

Perhaps they did, but in places they were stationed. I'm not an historian, but I imagine they were mainly on the western border trying to invade Burma.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/22/2021 at 11:22 PM, ChipButty said:

Didn't the Japanese export Thai women to service the army?

I thought they were Korean

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/23/2021 at 2:40 AM, bangon04 said:

Thailand opened their arms for . the Japanese military before that - sometimes forgotten how easily Siam/Thailand opened up....

Would you prefer they had resisted and lost thousands to a superior military force, and ended up worse off?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/23/2021 at 3:06 AM, DJ54 said:

These women pushed in a trade to support their family.. I wish they were taught .. save your money and exit the business before it changes your life forever... 

Young people don't think like that; at least most of the ones I knew.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/23/2021 at 3:55 AM, 2009 said:

I am struggling to see how they impacted Thailand in that way, yes. Could you enlighten us?

 

I am sure most countries are historically guilty of this (and some currently guilty)

 

Ancient tradition? Of prostitution?

 

I wouldn't call Soi Cowboy "a major commercial enterprise"

 

Anyway, it is the locals who profit from this. We pay them, numbnuts.

 

How? I don't get it. What did they do?

 

Drink a few beers and bounce a few chicks on their knees. How did they affect the economy?

 

I know Thailand itself has prioritized its tourism industry.

 

The reason why there are so many "ladies of the night" here is because their only other choice is 300 a day (a 12 hour day) in a factory because due to their lack of education they don't have any other doors open to them; They can earn 5 times the minimum daily wage in an hour. 

 

Also, the lack of social security (and human nature: greed), and their family's willingness to turn a blind eye to how their child provides.

 

Also, Thai culture doesn't seem to stigmatize "ladies of ill-repute" like other countries.

 

The locals have the economy geared out of balance, not the westerners.

 

 

Speaking common sense I see. Threads like this need more common sense.

[Rimmer]

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[Thunglom]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It needs no justification. It's a fact whether one likes it or not and it's never going away so long as men want sex and women can make money satisfying them.

So you think it's OK?

 

[Thunglom]

My ex summed it up well for me whilst looking down Soi 6, Pattaya.

She said

"I do feel sorry for them"

"what the these girls?" I asked

"No the men" she replied.

[roo860]

On 10/22/2021 at 7:23 PM, Mingomania said:

Did a three weeks stay in Bangkok, Udon with the U.S. Airbase and Pattaya back in 1972. That was my first trip in the land of smiles among other things.

Then back in 1981 and what a difference, especially in Pattaya. The cities had exploded in neon, cheap and expensive hotels, bars, restaurants, massage parlors and more girls that I could count using a Univac computer.

Then back and forth since 2015 until now and sometimes I wish that I could turn back time...

No picture of girls?

[CharlieH]

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[zzaa09]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Nana falls in the "love and belonging" category. Prostitutes fill the void left by "women that won't" that men know. IMO they come to places like Nana from all over the west because Nana girls are the next best thing to a real girlfriend, even if only for a short while.

Western prostitution is too commercial, and too short to fill the void, IMO.

I believe the obvious comparison, as it applies to the body, sexuality and gender throughout the traditional Occidental uptight manner and the traditional Orient spirit of acceptance leaves a large gap. 

[Thunglom]

On 10/22/2021 at 2:19 PM, CrunchWrapSupreme said:

Not all factories are just sweatshops, particularly those run by multinationals. A member of the extended fam works in a factory for a Japanese company. He does quite well, with a nice apt, big bike, and a car.

 

Is Thailand doing more to attract those businesses? Quite on the contrary. I remember an article from about a year ago, about Panasonic shutting down a battery factory here and moving it to Vietnam. They cited the difficulties in doing business in Thailand, all the ridiculous bureaucracy. I recall similar articles about a rubber factory and car suspension factory, where the workers showed up one day to find the doors shut, and all their jobs gone.

 

I also said businesses other than factories. Across the countryside I've seen countless abandoned buildings where something once was, a retail store, a restaurant, entertainment venue, tourist attraction. There could be housed anything that could be imagined to generate money, besides another beer bar or soapy massage. As been said in the thread, there is money in Thailand, it's just not getting to everyone.

 

The Thais can be bright and imaginative people, I know because I've taught many of them. Many of them have had big dreams. They could be turning those abandoned places into successful businesses. Yet this country and its inept govt, and cultural aspects that have a habit of reinforcing inequalities, and veer toward exploitative vices, keep that from happening.

historically, Thailand has been very good at attracting outside investment - they have the 10th biggest motor industry in the world, for a start.

The EEC is a massive project that will industrialise most of Rayong and Chonburi. However the world economy is of course slowing that.

 

since the 1990s industry has attracted workers from Issan and other poorer areas of Thailand to the extant that it actually subsidises the farms these people came from. Initially it was men who got the better paid work but now their are increasing numbers of career women working in industry and even the production workers are getting salary that  makes protitution look less attractive.

 

[Sydebolle]

The concubine and rent-a-miss is not a Western invention but a male invention. Old prints and painting from Asia refer to this kind of "recreation" hundert of years before Utapao, the Vietnam war etc. 

Chuvit and friends took this to the next step, developed "Turkish Bath" etc. to the next level and became filthy rich. As it remains, unlike other countries, illegal as far as "business trade" is concerned, those who looked the other side got their slice of the cake too - the only losers were the girls who had the most of the income skimmed off by owners, operators and police. 

Today, two generations into the "modern" trade of steam and bath, it became obvious, that this (and some other) country developed a generation of mostly women (and a few men) who are simply too lazy to follow a normal profession. I met quite a few girls who had no apparent reason NOT to work in an office or factory. Pattaya remains a pristine example; open a girlie bar and the birds queue, you need service staff or kitchen helpers - zero interest. Latter comes with work and at salaries between 10K - 15K, a fraction of what they earn in mankind's oldest profession! 

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Thunglom said:

So you think it's OK?

 

Of course I do. Prostitution is legal in NZ, so lots of other people think so too.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Thunglom said:

historically, Thailand has been very good at attracting outside investment - they have the 10th biggest motor industry in the world, for a start.

The EEC is a massive project that will industrialise most of Rayong and Chonburi. However the world economy is of course slowing that.

 

since the 1990s industry has attracted workers from Issan and other poorer areas of Thailand to the extant that it actually subsidises the farms these people came from. Initially it was men who got the better paid work but now their are increasing numbers of career women working in industry and even the production workers are getting salary that  makes protitution look less attractive.

 

Doesn't matter what jobs are available. Some will always prefer the lifestyle that prostitution gives.

If bar beers and gogos are not available, they'll go on line, or work for "escort" companies.

[androokery]

On 10/24/2021 at 8:25 AM, clivebaxter said:

How so?

Christian people tend to see themselves as morally superior to other people. Newly converted christians seem to be even more convinced of their moral superiority. So I thought it would be relevant to make a not so veiled reference to the catholic clergy. And their propensity for sexually abusing children. 

[Thunglom]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Doesn't matter what jobs are available. Some will always prefer the lifestyle that prostitution gives.

If bar beers and gogos are not available, they'll go on line, or work for "escort" companies.

The OP is about how the US effected the sex industry in Thailand - what I was describing is the changes - women who engage in the sex industry do so because of the earnings - as this is becoming less attractive, I can see that it may change in the future - this is not so much to do with the US influence.

In future the sex industry in Thailand is more likely to cater for the Chinese tourism sector so it may well adapt to what thy want. howeve, prostit=ion is illegal in Thailand which leaves it wide open to interference by future Thai governments. The Elite of the 1960s and 1970s has no qualms about selling off their women...this may change.

[zzaa09]

On 10/23/2021 at 6:07 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Perhaps they did, but in places they were stationed. I'm not an historian, but I imagine they were mainly on the western border trying to invade Burma.

The romantic and historic impressions that the Japanese presence in and around Kanchanaburi was rather a minor priority  compared to what they were looking to accomplish throughout their extended friendly occupation of Siam. Their major infrastructural pursuits throughout much of north and deep south has been quite historically noted - 

[fusion58]

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But Thailand had a big sex industry long before the GI's and foreigners ever set foot in the country to which he did not refer. 

Of course he didn't.

 

Gotta find a way to make it the farang's fault.

[Thunglom]

On 10/22/2021 at 10:57 AM, IAMHERE said:

You'd of thought the Japanese army would of brought that style of sex with them when they were here. American GI's weren't the first foreign army in large numbers to visit Thailand.

FHS!! - You should know how the Japanese got their prostitutes - they were enrolled as slaves - there are Korean women still trying to get compensation for this today!

[Thunglom]

ALL countries have a sex trade of some kind - Thailand has had a socially accepted if often illegal trade involving women girls and even slvey for centuries - THAT IS NOT THE POINT ,,, the US forces entered an undeveloped country and took advantage of that and exponentially expanded it it into a major industry - SEX TOURISM - they allied to government and business signed treaties and deals to supply the forces with sex. The higher wages and depressed economy in rural areas ensured a supply of girls and women. Don't forget the child prostitution etc was common and in public unit the 1990s. The types of prostitution still used by foreigners are not the same as used by Thai nationals and the two seldom meet....the types use by foreigners were developed to meet th US demands - this included introducing "wash'nwank* introduced from when the US occupied Japan.

Most countries recovered from occupartion by US forces - but the Thai elite helped to sustain the trade and its infrastructure into the 21st century as a major tourist attraction.

Edited October 27, 2021 by Thunglom

[CharlieH]

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[Orinoco]

Thai blame game culture is so big now days.

Shame on you blaming GI Joe.

Thai drawers were dropping in tea houses long before Gi Joe.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/27/2021 at 10:41 PM, Thunglom said:

The types of prostitution still used by foreigners are not the same as used by Thai nationals and the two seldom meet.

Soapy massage places are mainly used by Thais, but farangs use them as well, quite frequently.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/27/2021 at 10:41 PM, Thunglom said:

ALL countries have a sex trade of some kind - Thailand has had a socially accepted if often illegal trade involving women girls and even slvey for centuries - THAT IS NOT THE POINT ,,, the US forces entered an undeveloped country and took advantage of that and exponentially expanded it it into a major industry - SEX TOURISM - they allied to government and business signed treaties and deals to supply the forces with sex. The higher wages and depressed economy in rural areas ensured a supply of girls and women. Don't forget the child prostitution etc was common and in public unit the 1990s. The types of prostitution still used by foreigners are not the same as used by Thai nationals and the two seldom meet....the types use by foreigners were developed to meet th US demands - this included introducing "wash'nwank* introduced from when the US occupied Japan.

Most countries recovered from occupartion by US forces - but the Thai elite helped to sustain the trade and its infrastructure into the 21st century as a major tourist attraction.

fusion58 said it better than I can.

On 10/26/2021 at 4:02 PM, fusion58 said:

Gotta find a way to make it the farang's fault.

 

Edited October 28, 2021 by thaibeachlovers

[zzaa09]

20 hours ago, Orinoco said:

Thai blame game culture is so big now days.

Shame on you blaming GI Joe.

Thai drawers were dropping in tea houses long before Gi Joe.

 

Just another historic notch in the nature of things. 

[Thunglom]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Soapy massage places are mainly used by Thais, but farangs use them as well, quite frequently.

 

You really don't seem to understand the premise do you.

the fact is that it was introduced via the US troops and in fact your assertion is not true - you have no hard evidence to support that - you probably saw a group of Chinese guys whilst you were using one and decided they were all Thai.