No Smart Phone

[johng]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What does getting a car driving licence have to do with either owning a mobile phone or

not ?

   I cannot see the connection 

@robblok  will no doubt scoff again at my "conspiracy" theories...but it's all to do with the big push towards a total surveillance state...cashless society and "vaccine passports" made "simple"    just by using your personal tracking device..AKA smartphone. ????   

(notice smily emoticon meaning that it is said in jest  but remember what they  about many things said in jest)

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, topt said:

Ok I may accept that for Thailand but it is not general yet thank goodness. 

Up to you if you want one or not I mean if you don't use it then don't get one. Simple. But this topic was in response to Thailand mandating the app. (not sure how strict they will be and if they can even check it)

[Burma Bill]

On 10/28/2021 at 12:09 PM, Grumpy Old Man said:

Has anyone had the experience of NOT having a "Smart Phone" for scanning this, that and the other,

YES, ME!! Over many years of sports injuries to my fingers and subsequent arthritic problems, I cannot use the touch screen smartphones. Fortunately living here in Siem Reap (Cambodia) the scanning of QR codes is not mandatory and one can sign a register, or in many instances just pass by, to enter. MAKRO is a good example - facemask, hand cleansing and body temperature YES, code scanning NO (and no registration book either!).

[worgeordie]

Don't have one, don't want one, have no use for one,

People seem more and more controlled by smart phones,

when you see people aimlessly walking around head bent down 

looking at a little screen, couples out at a restaurant ,first ting

they do when they sit down is get their phones out .

 

My wife is a great example how they control you, it just has

to make the little sound that a message has arrived, she's

straight there , she likes to watch people swashing spots,

blackheads , Elephants, Chinese people eating huge plates

of food, that kind of mindless stuff, for a lot o people today,

smart phones have a bigger hold over them, than most drugs.

I am not really a Luddite, I embrace technology , have a 

collection of 9 mini PC's , but I don't feel the need to carry

one around with me. 

 

Regards Worgeordie

 

 

[KannikaP]

On 10/28/2021 at 7:07 PM, SamSanuk said:

Apple Music on mine. Wonderful for tuning out grumpy farangs at local coffee shop.

And if you have an Android phone ?????   LOL

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, johng said:

@robblok  will no doubt scoff again at my "conspiracy" theories...but it's all to do with the big push towards a total surveillance state...cashless society and "vaccine passports" made "simple"    just by using your personal tracking device..AKA smartphone. ????   

(notice smily emoticon meaning that it is said in jest  but remember what they  about many things said in jest)

First off your an antivaxxer and you were wrong about the big data as i have proven by showing that in the EU the rules are quite strict and protect us from big data. So ill keep saying your a tinfoil hat person in my book. So its not so strange your against vaccine passports. 

 

I would not call it a conspiracy that Thailand wants to track you for covid reasons its exactly why they want you to have a smartphone. And in this case your right the data goes to the government. This is not the case with  cashless transactions at least NOT in Thailand and Europe and the US. There is also no proof that his is happening if any in Europe big tech needs to inform you more and more about what data they collect and need to make it clear and have rules for opting out. So at least for Europe your theory is stupid.

 

Actually smartphone is a great tracking device.. i love it for google maps.  I also love it for shopping and so on. Love it for internet banking. Its a great device. 

 

 

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Don't have one, don't want one, have no use for one,

People seem more and more controlled by smart phones,

when you see people aimlessly walking around head bent down 

looking at a little screen, couples out at a restaurant ,first ting

they do when they sit down is get their phones out .

 

My wife is a great example how they control you, it just has

to make the little sound that a message has arrived, she's

straight there , she likes to watch people swashing spots,

blackheads , Elephants, Chinese people eating huge plates

of food, that kind of mindless stuff, for a lot o people today,

smart phones have a bigger hold over them, than most drugs.

I am not really a Luddite, I embrace technology , have a 

collection of 9 mini PC's , but I don't feel the need to carry

one around with me. 

 

Regards Worgeordie

 

 

wordiegeorgy, can tell i tell you a secret, your wife can watch those things also on tv. There are even people who watch sports on TV (not me) and seem to like it. Not sure why one would look down on what other people view. I find watching sports mindless (i find a debate about tv or movies as unproductive as one about what foods taste good its all personal)

 

How you use your phone is up to you i love to kill time with it when i have to wait or to have it guide me to where i need to go on the bike or car. I love it that it helps me pay things. I like reading the forum if i have to wait for something i take my phone. 

 

I do agree that some people are not really sociable but that is not a phone problem but a person problem. I don't see it much with the people im around now. They use their phones also when others are there but not overly.

 

You wont see me walking and looking at my phone at the same time..far too dangerous.

[Smokey and the Bandit]

3 hours ago, hioctane said:

For the first time, I just scanned a QR code at a food stall with my  bank app and paid for a couple of drinks. No change nor touching filthy money. Very fast and convenient!

Yes and you lose your wallet with its filthy money and its really no big deal, you lose your smartphone and its a big big problem. Some folks have all their pictures, banking and credit card info, emails, passwords etc!!

[mvdf]

I have an iPhone 13 pro max and expecting to get the Pixel 6 Pro. Can't live without this technology. They are indispensable.  

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/28/2021 at 6:29 PM, ezzra said:

Unfortunately a smart phone is not a luxury item to own anymore,i't's become like your data bank/I.D card and payment's gate, so young or old and whether we like it or not, we're stuck with it...

LOL. Never had one, don't want one, don't need one.

You can submit to being tracked wherever you go and your information being sold to advertisers, but I'll pass on that.

[JWRC]

I don't have a smart phone and I manage just fine.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, robblok said:

You wont see me walking and looking at my phone at the same time..far too dangerous.

Unfortunately there are too many idiots that do. Usually young people that expect everyone to make way for them, and get angry when we don't.

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

Yes and you lose your wallet with its filthy money and its really no big deal, you lose your smartphone and its a big big problem. Some folks have all their pictures, banking and credit card info, emails, passwords etc!!

That is definitely a valid point. That is why you need to secure your phone and make sure you can whipe it from an computer.

 

On the other hand I havent lost a smartphone yet, but yes I would be far more worried about the data then the value of the phone. However i would wipe the phone quickly after having searched a bit.

[johng]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

First off your an antivaxxer

Amazing skills you have there.

 

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

So ill keep saying your a tinfoil hat person in my book.

Talking of books  can I recommend one for you ? 

It's called 1984  written by George Orwell.

 

6 minutes ago, robblok said:

I would not call it a conspiracy that Thailand wants to track you for covid reasons its exactly why they want you to have a smartphone. And in this case your right the data goes to the government.

Well what more can I say !!!   if they track you for a virus it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to  wonder what else they want,can and will track you for is it ?

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Never had one, don't want one, don't need one.

You can submit to being tracked wherever you go and your information being sold to advertisers, but I'll pass on that.

100% your right and choice and others make other choices.

 

But if Thailand says you need one to enter for the app (and if they check for it) then its a different story. Then your excuse of not owning one will be a problem. (or not as there are so far no cases known of people having been turned back)

 

But this is kinda like the 20k that you needed to have on you some got send back others were never asked. 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Well what more can I say !!!   if they track you for a virus it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to  wonder what else they want,can and will track you for is it ?

The sheeple don't need to be forced to be tracked as they willingly submit, and apparently like being sheeple.

[poohy]

Just buy a dirt cheap smartphone carry it everywhere when required to use it, hand it to the person requiring its use 

Tell them to sort it out!

 

Job done!

[robblok]

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Amazing skills you have there.

 

Talking of books  can I recommend one for you ? 

It's called 1984  written by George Orwell.

 

Well what more can I say !!!   if they track you for a virus it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to  wonder what else they want,can and will track you for is it ?

Your already being tracked if you have the phone. I would not be surprised if they would use it too if you murdered someone to prove where you were. I doubt that they won't use it if the need arises. Its the same with a non smart phone they can be traced too.

 

Personally I don't worry too much about it unless i kill someone that is. 

 

So what kind of shady business are you involved in that you are so worried. 

 

[hkt83100]

A friend of mine arrived in Phuket a few days ago. At the checkpoint she just said she had no smart phone. The answer was "Ok, no problem." and that was all.

[PETERTHEEATER]

49 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What does getting a car driving licence have to do with either owning a mobile phone or

not ?

   I cannot see the connection 

The connection  is a length of electrical cable with a small plug thingie on one end and a big plug thingie on the other.....

[BananaGuy]

On 10/28/2021 at 6:08 PM, BritManToo said:

At 84 I'd suggest c) stay at home is his best option.

At age 84 I’d suggest the oft-ignored other option …

 

(d) Do nothing

 

Time will soon resolve the issue.

[jingjai9]

I imagine years ago people reacted to social security numbers much the same as some people react to the use of smart phones today. I think Steve Jobs knew people would sacrifice their privacy and even their dignity for convenience. 

 

It is a shame that we are in essence being forced to possess a device that enables government and business to track us or keep a digital fingerprint of what we do. This issue of a surveillance state was further illustrated in recent weeks by the FACEBOOK PAPERS. Critics are alleging that Facebook instigated conflict and division with their algorithms by directing people to groups they believed would suit their interests and in this process capitalized on the verbal wars and bullying that followed on the Facebook platform. This helped serve the purpose of keeping more users on line for long periods of time thus increasing advertising revenues. This is underscored when critics say Facebook put profits over public welfare and safety.  

 

The Internet has, to a dangerously large degree, been commandeered by Big Tech whose most effective weapon is their user agreements where you are forced to bow down and voluntarily forfeit some of your rights to privacy in order to use their app. Because Facebook, Google, Amazon and a few others have been allowed to grow so large, if you do not agree to their terms, your online life is somewhat limited.

 

Although I have a smartphone I have never connected it to the Internet. I use if for calls and I love the alarm. I think the smart phone is perhaps the greatest invention of the last 100 years, but its control is in the wrong hands. There is no democracy with Big Tech. To me BIG TECH is big brother and governments are the maturing pups when it comes to utilizing the Internet.

 

We can have privacy and smart phones, but those in power do not want it that way so we have to be good peons and follow what the powers that be dictate. Faces like Bezos, Gates, Musk, Zuckerberg appear to be rising to the status of feudal lords and the platforms are their fiefdoms.

 

Please don't jump the gun and blame old people for not using smartphones. It may be they have the ability to use them but don't want to be bombarded with technology and useless information. 

[BananaGuy]

24 minutes ago, johng said:

Amazing skills you have there.

 

Talking of books  can I recommend one for you ? 

It's called 1984  written by George Orwell.

 

Well what more can I say !!!   if they track you for a virus it's not much of a stretch of the imagination to  wonder what else they want,can and will track you for is it ?

Sure, Big Data and The Deep State are falling over themselves to track this 84 year old staggering around getting barred from shops and failing to buy stuff online.

Don’t stretch that imagination too far or overestimate your value as an individual my friend … just like me … it’s likely about $0.20

[johng]

@jingjai9 thanks for you well put comments...at the moment the tech companies have some power...the "governments"  very much want to usurp that power...the Facebook whistle-blower "revelations" being the perfect tool.

 

7 minutes ago, BananaGuy said:

Don’t stretch that imagination too far or overestimate your value as an individual my friend … just like me … it’s likely about $0.20

Yes of course an individual is not worth much but how about  $0.20 X 7 billion ?

..by any stretch of the imagination we are not yet at 1984...but the signs are very worrying that we are heading in that direction.

[johng]

36 minutes ago, PETERTHEEATER said:

The connection  is a length of electrical cable

Must be an electric car then ????

[tonray]

Please move this thread to the Dinosaur and Fossils forum. Time to move out of the Jurassic period and acknowledge the supremacy of technology 

[talahtnut]

Your 'smart' phone is the key to future transhumanism, allowing you

to upload the contents of your brain and exist in an ideal virtual world.

You will become Droidbot. See Meta.

I tried to upload my brain already, but was stamped 'rejected'.

[johng]

50 minutes ago, robblok said:

So what kind of shady business are you involved in that you are so worried. 

In my opinion no shady business at all !

But others may have other ideas as to what is "shady" or not,  for example until quite recently it was considered in many countries and still is in quite a few to be "shady"  if you are gay. ( no I'm not gay)

 

It may be "shady"   to go out to a bar or massage parlour and have sex with someone  other than your husband or wife. ( no I don't do that either)

 

Would it be "shady" to do a few days work  "off the books"   now and again ? (no comment)

 

Is it "shady"  not to use your real name,age,date of birth etc  when signing up to social media sites ? (definitely "shady")

 

Who decides what is "shady"  and the "shades" of the "shadeyness"

and what mechanisms are there to  prevent the misuse of the detected "shadeyness"  ?    who's to say that something not "shady"  today  is something "shady" tomorrow 

You will of course point to the data protection laws

which Edward Snowden's revelations  have proved to be totally useless.

[robblok]

Just now, johng said:

In my opinion no shady business at all !

But others may have other ideas as to what is "shady" or not,  for example until quite recently it was considered in many countries and still is in quite a few to be "shady"  if you are gay. ( no I'm not gay)

 

It may be "shady"   to go out to a bar or massage parlour and have sex with someone  other than your husband or wife. ( no I don't do that either)

 

Would it be "shady" to do a few days work  "off the books"   now and again ? (no comment)

 

Is it "shady"  not to use your real name,age,date of birth etc  when signing up to social media sites ? (definitely "shady")

 

Who decides what is "shady"  and the "shades" of the "shadeyness"

and what mechanisms are there to  prevent the misuse of the detected "shadeyness"  ?    who's to say that something not "shady"  today  is something "shady" tomorrow 

You will of course point to the data protection laws

which Edward Snowden's revelations  have proved to be totally useless.

Ok you lost me a bit, the things your mentioning have nothing to do with the government. So how would government tracking have any impact on the situations you mentioned.

 

Would the Thai government care if you are gay ?, Would the Thai government care if you go to a massage parlour ? The few days of book work maybe (if you were working here). I used my real name on this forum.

 

Point being the stuff your talking about has nothing to do with government tracking. (except maybe the  working off books)

 

Sorry but you really got some strange thought processes in your ind to think the government would be interested in those things.

 

Could you come up with some realistic examples of what the government would like to know ? All that you mentioned are mainly things government don't care about. 

[seedy]

People posting on a public forum, using a computer, talking about loss of privacy !!! 555