1 minute ago, tonysilly said:

Why would Thailand care about us dirty Farangs.

Dirty farangs who could get double jabbed with Pfizer for free before any Thais?

47 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

So what about a person that has a great immune system who takes plenty of vitamin d3 and zinc everyday is he or she still a O% protection? I think not!

0% protection from infection. 

 

Cemetaries are filled with Covid victims who had great immune systems. If you want to learn more, check out "cytokine storm". 

I imagine the price of accepting a jab is similar to the cost of a vote..............

17 hours ago, mikebike said:

Lottery. Thais love the lottery... Do like one of the States in the USA did and give everyone who gets jabbed a chance to win a million baht.

Yep. Give ‘em the same incentives as the scientifically illiterate rubes in the U.S.

5 minutes ago, Grusa said:

I imagine the price of accepting a jab is similar to the cost of a vote..............

With the added incentive of possibly avoiding an early death......not a bad deal

2 hours ago, Almer said:

Likewise it is highly possible for a fully vaxed person to carry and pass the Virus to an unvaxed sole.

Yes indeed, and this is what makes the current situation untenable.

8 hours ago, hioctane said:

It’s available for everyone over 12 currently.

But very much depending on location, people "have to" go with mixed vaccines, and can't choose 2x Pfizer or 2x Moderna. That's (apparently) a no-no for a Thai person in Chonburi province. I heard of people from Roi Et (mixed) going to Buriram (2x Pfizer) to get their jabs!

17 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

As an anti-vaxxer, you are aware that the unvaccinated may infect the vaccinated

If asking questions and raising doubts = anti-vaxxer in your book then I suppose I must be !

 

As a "pro jabber" you are aware that even without a vaccine  approximately 98% of Covid infections ... do not result in death.

 

Even the "fact checkers" agree ( who checks the fact check checkers ? ???? )

 

https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/why-the-covid-19-survival-rate-is-not-over-99/

 

"Most people who get COVID-19 will survive. Of roughly 35.2 million confirmed COVID-19 cases in the United States, around 614,300 people, or 1.7%, have died, according to Johns Hopkins University’s mortality data as of Aug 6."

 

Yes, yes  "Long Covid"

3 minutes ago, johng said:

Of roughly 35.2 million confirmed COVID-19 cases in the United States, around 614,300 people, or 1.7%, have died

That will equate to 5.5 million dead (eventually) if no one bothers to get vaccinated.......mmmmm!

47 minutes ago, charmonman said:

Where did he say he was afraid of her?

He said

"I refuse to put myself or anyone else at risk, the rest of the family have all been jabbed,"

So he is scared/afraid of the risk ?

 

 

1 hour ago, johng said:

If asking questions and raising doubts = anti-vaxxer in your book then I suppose I must be !

 

As a "pro jabber" you are aware that even without a vaccine  approximately 98% of Covid infections ... do not result in death.

 

You clearly have not thought this through. 

 

Let's assume 99% survival, to make the math easy. So, for a million cases (like the USA has every 10 days or so), that's 10,000 dead over those 10 days or so. 

 

That's the equivalent of 30 plane crashes every 10 days or so. 

 

Would you buy an airplane ticket if there were 30 plane crashes every 10 days? 

 

Yes, Covid is that bad, and yes, you need to get vaccinated. 

17 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

and if it means her only daughter don't visit sobeit, 

Why wouldn't she visit if she's fully jabbed  ?

16 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

That will equate to 5.5 million dead (eventually) if no one bothers to get vaccinated.......mmmmm!

Did your extrapolation  consider the possibility that the virus is more widely spread than is known  ie:  not 100 % of the population has been tested to see if they  had or have the virus.

 

When/if ever  they declare the pandemic over then the "real" figures can be calculated

until then its just "best guestimation"  and "questionable" computer modelling.

 

 

Just now, johng said:

Did your extrapolation  consider the possibility that the virus is more widely spread than is known  ie:  not 100 % of the population has been tested to see if they  had or have the virus.

 

When/if ever  they declare the pandemic over then the "real" figures can be calculated

until then its just "best guestimation"  and "questionable" computer modelling.

 

 

Perfectly true........although given the potential for the number of deaths being in the millions I personally would tend to err on the side of caution.

16 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

As an anti-vaxxer, you are aware that the unvaccinated may infect the vaccinated, although such infections are rare. So, it would be reasonable to protect oneself against an unvaccinated family member.

The vaccinated can infect the unvaccinated also .... I think you're overlooking the fact ... if the unvaccinated are not infected ... they can't infect anyone.

Incentives or other soft persuasions will not be enough to get the whole population vaccinated. As Ireland and Germany have shown that the pandemic will spike again as long as there are pockets of unvaccinated. To break the covid infection chain, we need 100% of the population vaccinated. Try disincentives to inconvenient the unvaccinated to be vaccinated or just mandate vaccination for the whole population like in Austria. 

 

9 minutes ago, Pierre57 said:

The vaccinated can infect the unvaccinated also .... I think you're overlooking the fact ... if the unvaccinated are not infected ... they can't infect anyone.

Unfortunately, the unvaccinated are up to 10 times more likely to get infected, which is the world’s largest problem at the moment.

 

 

15 minutes ago, johng said:

Did your extrapolation  consider the possibility that the virus is more widely spread than is known  ie:  not 100 % of the population has been tested to see if they  had or have the virus.

 

When/if ever  they declare the pandemic over then the "real" figures can be calculated

until then its just "best guestimation"  and "questionable" computer modelling.

 

 

Your position is weakened by the fact that the virus evolves, so that people who were infected in 2020 have little defense against Delta.

 

So, testing everyone to see if they have ever been infected may be educational, but the results aren’t going to tell us that much about the future trajectory of the epidemic.

 

 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

Let's assume 99% survival, to make the math easy. So, for a million cases (like the USA has every 10 days or so), that's 10,000 dead over those 10 days or so. 

This brings us back to  with the virus or because of the virus..perhaps its better to wait for the figures for total excess mortality and compare them to previous years for a clearer picture.

 

Also some serious studies into the effects of lockdowns on health  physical ,mental and economic.

 

 

16 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

To break the covid infection chain, we need 100% of the population vaccinated.

And so the question is  what happens if 100% are vaccinated but the infections continue ?

remember these present vaccines are "leaky"    is it possible to eradicate the virus with leaky vaccines or do we just have to live with it...until they find a 100% proof vaccine

or continue with masks,lockdowns and multi jabbing for eternity ?

 

4 minutes ago, johng said:

And so the question is  what happens if 100% are vaccinated but the infections continue ?

remember these present vaccines are "leaky"    is it possible to eradicate the virus with leaky vaccines or do we just have to live with it...until they find a 100% proof vaccine

or continue with masks,lockdowns and multi jabbing for eternity ?

 

You are ignoring a basic fact of immunology, the R0 factor. The percent vaccinated is not as important as the R0 number. Get R0 below 1, and the epidemic goes away. 

5 minutes ago, johng said:

And so the question is  what happens if 100% are vaccinated but the infections continue ?

remember these present vaccines are "leaky"    is it possible to eradicate the virus with leaky vaccines or do we just have to live with it...until they find a 100% proof vaccine

or continue with masks,lockdowns and multi jabbing for eternity ?

 

We live with it like we live with Measles or Polio. 

19 minutes ago, johng said:

This brings us back to  with the virus or because of the virus..perhaps its better to wait for the figures for total excess mortality and compare them to previous years for a clearer picture.

 

Also some serious studies into the effects of lockdowns on health  physical ,mental and economic.

 

No need to wait on excess death figures for the previous 5 years, all here already. WHO currently estimates the true cost of covid lives lost to be 2 to 3 times more than official figures and the Economist at 17 million.

 

From the World Mortality Data Set a comprehensive list of 110 countries of deaths from previous 5 years

 

 

Bogus certificate dealers rub their hands....

2 hours ago, nattaya09 said:

It seems that once you reach about 70% fully vaxed, you have hit the ceiling of willing participants.

Canberra, Australia, currently at 97% double vax for over 12’s.

On 11/19/2021 at 5:52 PM, Golden Triangle said:

My mil won't get jabbed, so I told my mrs to inform her that unfortunately we won't be visiting them or going out for a meal, you know how much they like a freebie feast and a cost free visit to a supermarket for a monthly shop.

 

@johngI know you don't like my replies and I respect that and expected it, but I refuse to put myself or anyone else at risk, the rest of the family have all been jabbed, why should she be the thorn in the side of the population, all family members have been done except for mum, a bit selfish as far as I'm concerned.

YOU need to educate yourself.  In your ignorance, you are being unreasonable to a poor old woman to whom you should show some respect.  She doesn't have covid. 

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19 hours ago, mikebike said:

Lottery. Thais love the lottery... Do like one of the States in the USA did and give everyone who gets jabbed a chance to win a million baht.

They did that in Hong Kong too.

Had both cash prize lottery and at least on new apartment (condo).

All of which were donated by wealthy businessmen and families. 

18 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

I'll tell you the same as I said to johng, I ain't scared of her, but she knows how the family feel, she's old (well over 70) diabetic, overweight, she's a prime candidate.

 

So, more for her wellbeing than ours, and if it means her only daughter don't visit sobeit, 

 

10 hours ago, hioctane said:

The risk is lower but not rare. If you are vaxxed, the worry is not getting infected because you know that the risk of dying from a breakthrough infection is very low. However, being vaxxed you will be going out more. Doing more normal things. With this comes the risk of getting infected. Do you want to risk infecting your unvaxxed MIL who is over 8x more likely to catch it if you are infected? Can you live with it on your conscience if you caused her death?

So....there's no chance of her dieing from diabeties or obesity, only from covid, and how could you possibly know which person infected her if she was to catch covid?

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/effectiveness-research/protocols.html