Covid Tales 2: 78 year old retiree recounts getting Covid in Thailand after being vaccinated

[mikebell]

4 hours ago, arick said:

You changed names in fear of defamation laws. Who would of been defamed. The dog? 

We live in a dictatorship where any slighted Thai can get you banged up if he has the right connections.  The treatment/hospital is not presented in a flattering light & could be identified.

[Anant72]

8 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Personally I think stories of people getting covid after the job - which they will, it was not meant to stop it 100% - is a reason for opening the economy and just living with. Just try and do the best we can, wash hands, wear a mask, vaccinate, isolate the extreme vulnerable if they want it.  if not now then when ? If we wait for zero covid infections of vaccinated people the world will be closed for the next 10 years up

This makes sense, I agree.

[HarrySeaman]

18 hours ago, ed strong said:

"If my story does not convince foreigners and Thais alike that any coronavirus vaccine is better than being unvaccinated, nothing will.

 

"In my opinion being vaccinated very probably saved me from a life changing illness.

 

"As it has previously with (diseases like) polio, tetanus, typhoid and hepatitis."

 

 

Ah yes i remember everyone getting vaccinated against polio and then we all caught polio but luckily our symptoms weren't that bad!

 

What a pathetic comparison.

Having grow up with the threat of polio I can tell you that everyone wanted to vaccinated as quickly as possible once the Salk vaccine became available.

 

There were some who still caught polio even after being vaccinated but as the original poster said, the symptoms were generally milder. 

 

A very very small percentage of people also had bad reactions to the vaccination, just as with any vaccination, and a few even died following the vaccination. 

 

Did that make people start campaigns calling the vaccination a foreign plot or the work of the devil?  NO!  The vast majority of people were well enough educated and open to real information, not false facts, and accepted the reality of the situation knowing that they were safer if vaccinated than if not vaccinated.

 

Unfortunately a few demented people have pushed conspiracy theories about Covid-19 vaccinations for their own financial gain or to stroke their egos.  The result has been and still is that many people believe them then get sick or die than necessary.

 

In my opinion anyone who refused to get vaccinated, catches Covid-19, then gives it to someone else should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

 

Just to be clear, in August before vaccinations became available in Pattaya, I had to help a close friend who was sick.  It turned out he had Covid-19, not pneumonia as he thought.  I caught Covid-19 from him and was sick with a very high fever, loss of apatite, lack of strength and stamina for 5 days, then with lesser symptoms for another 3-4 days.  While still recovering vaccinations became available in Pattaya and I signed up immediately and got my first shot two weeks later (yes, I know you are supposed to wait 3 months but I wasn't about the loose the chance to get vaccinated).  I get my second shot next month and I'll be looking for a booster around June.  I was one of the lucky ones who had manageable symptoms but I wouldn't wish what I went through on anyone else.

 

Get vaccinated WITH WHAT EVER IS AVAILABLE then look to increasing your resistance to Covid-19 with a booster shot of a different type later!

Edited November 26, 2021 by HarrySeaman

[aussienam]

I am a retiree in Thailand and was vaccinated with Pfizer.  Very mild side effects on first jab.  Nothing with second.  

But a week after 2nd jab I got infected with COVID.  This is known as a 'breakthrough infection' as the vaccine did not prevent infection.  

 

I felt typical flu symptoms first.  I went to hospital and they confirmed through a test I had COVID.  Isolation for 14 days.  

 

I lost sense of taste and smell, suffered vertigo, delirious feeling, listlessness,  extreme fatigue,  headache.  My lung capacity got pretty bad with dropping oxygen levels and I was close to being hospitalized.  I had to use Ventolin.  I had to send temperature and oxygen levels (via phone app) twice a day. And more when my oxygen levels were too low.

 

I developed hearing loss and tinnitus.  The COVID virus can attack the delicate hair cells of the cochlear and destroy hearing - sensorineural hearing loss. And/Or the 'cytokine storm' caused by COVID causes inflammation in the inner ear that crushes hair cells..  So large doses of steroid medication to reduce inflammation and try to save hearing.  I now have some permanent hearing loss in one ear.  

 

Without the Pfizer vaccine my symptoms could well have been far more severe and I may well have had to be hospitalized and who knows, even died from not being able to breathe.

 

I believe the vaccine mitigated the severity of the infection, reduced the duration and prevented me from developing 'long COVID'. From reading studies reported online, the symptoms of a vaccinated versus unvaccinated are generally less severe, shorter lasting and not as many.  

 

My taste and smell returned after a few weeks. My energy took several weeks to normalize.  I lost over 5kg.  

 

It is the worst viral infection I have ever experienced. Glandular fever as a kid comes in a close second.  I am grateful that I had the vaccine shots. It's a nasty nasty virus. 

[Paradise Pete]

18 hours ago, ed strong said:

"If my story does not convince foreigners and Thais alike that any coronavirus vaccine is better than being unvaccinated, nothing will.

 

"In my opinion being vaccinated very probably saved me from a life changing illness.

 

"As it has previously with (diseases like) polio, tetanus, typhoid and hepatitis."

 

 

Ah yes i remember everyone getting vaccinated against polio and then we all caught polio but luckily our symptoms weren't that bad!

 

What a pathetic comparison.

One of the reasons the polio vaccine was so effective is that the vaccination rate was extremely high, so even for those who did not develop a strong resistance from the vaccine were still unlikely to even encounter the virus, and about 3/4 of those who did never developed symptoms.

 

The severe disease, or "long polio", affected just a few per thousand of those infected.

 

Covid (delta variant) is both more infectious and much more deadly than polio. The vaccines do a wonderful job of reducing that, especially the latter.

 

 

[Lizzy Duang]

Right for that age group. But they give Favipiravir to anyone, I had contact with a symptomless young Thai in hotel quarantine in BKK ( privately insured). Look up the success rate of it according to studies. Seems a bit helpless to me.

[Lizzy Duang]

14 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

 

 

Covid (delta variant) is both more infectious and much more deadly than polio. The vaccines do a wonderful job of reducing that, especially the latter.

 

 

Please check the Worldometer graph for outcome of cases. The delta variant is not significantly deadlier, it just spreads faster. Outcome hasn't changed for 1,5 years.

[Lizzy Duang]

54 minutes ago, HarrySeaman said:

In my opinion anyone who refused to get vaccinated, catches Covid-19, then gives it to someone else should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon.

I guess you demanded that all your life, as the flu killed millions. Sick people went to work, to office, without masks, and they are still doing it. A young colleague died of a heart attack after having gotten the flu like that. Let's find the person who killed him.

 

 

 

[Paradise Pete]

29 minutes ago, Lizzy Duang said:

Please check the Worldometer graph for outcome of cases. The delta variant is not significantly deadlier, it just spreads faster. Outcome hasn't changed for 1,5 years.

Deadlier than Polio.

[Chris.B]

"It contains a strong warning to those on the forum who have advocated waiting for an mRNA vaccine like Moderna rather than take a free jab with Sinovac or Astra Zeneca. "

 

A bit of a belated warning! 1.4 million doses of Moderna are being delivered tomorrow in addition to the 562,000 doses delivered on 1st November. So, now you are advising people to get Sinovac? 

 

By the way, it is not OR Astra Zenica it is Sinovac+Astra Zenica combination! Fake news.

[Lizzy Duang]

15 minutes ago, Paradise Pete said:

Deadlier than Polio.

No. 1952 outbreak US: "Of the 57,628 cases reported that year, 3,145 died." ( Wikipedia) 

You need to see the ratio of infected and dead. More than 5 percent died. And a lot were crippled. So much deadlier and long term damaging than SARS COV2.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, Lizzy Duang said:

No. 1952 outbreak US: "Of the 57,628 cases reported that year, 3,145 died." ( Wikipedia) 

You need to see the ratio of infected and dead. More than 5 percent died. And a lot were crippled. So much deadlier and long term damaging than SARS COV2.

But vastly less infectious and therefore vastly fewer serious illnesses, hospitalisations and deaths.

[Lizzy Duang]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But vastly less infectious and therefore vastly fewer serious illnesses, hospitalisations and deaths.

Ok, with half the current population. 

[MrJ2U]

23 hours ago, webfact said:

Peter still lost 4 kilos

I could use that

[Chris.B]

5 hours ago, flyfrog said:

 went on a bike tour to Chiangmai, Mae Sot, Tak etc...came home and was tested positive, now in home quarantaine for 10 days. 

Well that was silly of you wasn't it? ☹️☹️ Unnecessary trip during a pandemic. Don't tell me, you didn't wear a face mask as well and you mixed with large groups of people ot the Mae Sot/Myanmar border!

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[MrJ2U]

Friend in Hua Hin is on resperator.

 

Two jabs of Sinovac.

 

Next wave may be perilous with all the people vaccinated with either Chinese Vaccine.

 

Hope Anutin gets what's coming to him!

[Chris.B]

2 hours ago, Boomer6969 said:

I am terrified by OP's tale and will avoid getting tested at all cost. OP lost 4 Kgs, I am not sure I'd survive after two week without proper food, proper bed and probably no aircon either.

Actually, I could do with losing 4 kgs or even more!! hahah ????

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, Lizzy Duang said:

Ok, with half the current population. 

Yes, population density is a significant factor undermining simplistic comparisons between outbreaks of complete different diseases that are separated by decades.

[Lizzy Duang]

1 hour ago, Chris.B said:

Well that was silly of you wasn't it? ☹️☹️ Unnecessary trip during a pandemic. Don't tell me, you didn't wear a face mask as well and you mixed with large groups of people ot the Mae Sot/Myanmar border!

 

 

I congratulate him. I bet he will go through mild symptoms, the test might have been false positive anyway (when was he close enough to others to get infected?) and then be immune and able to wait for a better vaccine or booster.

 

[moe666]

21 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Its not astonishing really... 

 

5,500,000 population - 98% of whom have been vaccinated.

 

Thats: 110,000 who have not been vaccinated. 

 

Thats also 215,600 who are in the 4% for whom the vaccine is not effective (If assuming Moderna / Pfizer at 96% *efficacy)

 

Thats a Total of 325,600 people in the population of Singapore who may test positive to Covid-19 if exposed to the SARS-CoV-2 virus.  5000 positive cases is 1.5% of that.

 

IF Singapore are testing a lot of people, it makes perfect sense that they will find a significantly higher proportion of positive cases. 

 

The real metric has gone unmentioned - How many require hospitalisation. 

 

Singapore had a Maximum Covid-19 death rate of 17 per day last week and is now on 6 new Covid-19 deaths per day. 

 

 

 

*Real world efficiency will be much less than control tested efficacy: 

Could assume a real world effectiveness of 80% (just a guess) ??

 

 

If your government is honest they test if not they get the results they want by not testing. Trump was a prime example of that when he said we will lower our number of cases by testing less.

[Chomper Higgot]

 

People who are fully vaccinated are far less likely to become infected, far less likely to have a 'break through infection', far less likely to become seriously ill, far less likely to be hospitalised and far less likely to die of the infection. 

 

 

 

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[mtls2005]

...monoclonal antibodies.

 

Let's wait and see if the Merck and Pfizer treatments work. They look good so far, but price and availability may be issues. Yes the thai regime has placed a large order for Molnupiravir.

 

Vaccines are more about control, mitigation, prevention, which hopefully reduce the need for treatments. And they're more cost effective.

 

 

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[Rimmer]

A post with incorrect quote has been removed also a misleading post

[mommysboy]

 

Death rate has dropped dramatically in the UK, though infections are occurring at 40-50K a day.  Last year 1400 plus were dying daily- yesterday 150, and the majority of those in real trouble are unvaccinated.

 

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[Pinot]

5 hours ago, flyfrog said:

Hi, I am 59 years old, vaccinated twice with Pfizer, went on a bike tour to Chiangmai, Mae Sot, Tak etc...came home and was tested positive, now in home quarantaine for 10 days. My wife is not vaccinated yet and tested negative, we stayed together the first 3 days I was back, how about that? I have almost no symptoms except some coughing but this is probably just a cold from riding in the cold weather up North. So be carefull out there even those vaccinated.

"probably just a cold from riding in the cold weather up North." Not to be pedantic but that's not how one gets a cold. You don't get a cold from being cold. 

[BadSpottedDog]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

But vastly less infectious and therefore vastly fewer serious illnesses, hospitalisations and deaths.

You have to look at cases/deaths per million. Then you will have the correct number for comparison.

[digger70]

9 hours ago, arick said:

You changed names in fear of defamation laws. Who would of been defamed. The dog? 

If they scared for a Defamation charge  that only means that they aren't sure that the Tale  they telling us may not be 100% True.

[Lizzy Duang]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

People who are fully vaccinated are far less likely to become infected ...

 

 

 

As my first answer disappeared somehow ... I won't deny all that. But those who don't like the current vaccines (vector and mRNA) may use the term "far less likely" when it comes to possible later side effects like heart damage. I believe that I will suffer far less likely from those effects long term. If you calculate the risk of dying from COVID in Thailand and you are in your 50s like me, it's comparable to the risk of death in traffic. But you won't stop using cars, taxis etc here, I guess. So it's a weighing of current and long term risks.

[The Hammer2021]

On 11/25/2021 at 2:34 PM, relax33 said:

This is for those who had Sinovac or other non US vaccines
Singapore had a 98% vacc rate with  90% Pfizer n 10% moderna vaccines n still registered a record 5000 covid cases daily a few weeks ago . Its now at 2000+ which is still on the high side given its small population of 5.5 mil although 98% of the cases are mild ones with no symptoms ...
The excuse being given is cos they test more intensively than Germany  ... which is honestly not too flattering ...

There are alternatives to US vaccines such as Astra Zeneca.

[Fortean1]

I found this article from 1961, informative in a short history of developing polio vaccines.  The irony for me is that my niece, about 50 y.o., sent me this article to justify here anti-vax stance.  I'm 72 and recall the vaccine for polio and those who suffered death and life-long disability.

 

See: https://everlyreport.com/the-truth-about-the-polio-vaccines-chicago-tribune-archives/

 

Wuhan virus vaccine note: I received Pfizer on 23 Sep and 14 Oct.  My wife received AstraZeneca on the 17th and will get Pfizer on the 15th of Dec.  She is 75 y.o. and has several medical conditions.

 

Terry

( a few miles south of Hua Hin )

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