34 minutes ago, Stoker58 said:

  Just to be clear, the ‘common cold’ is not a distinct virus in its own right, it’s a set of symptoms, cough, sneezing, runny nose, we’ve all been there. It’s caused by any one of several upper respiratory tract viruses, one such being the corona viruses. There are others too.

  Therefore Covid19, The ‘Rona, Delta, Moronicon……they are by definition just variations of a common cold virus.

What you have just said is exactly the same as saying:

 

All cats have 4 legs.

All dogs have 4 legs.

Therefore all cats are dogs.

13 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

It is like insurance...... you have the 'protection' it gives for a year and then need to renew!

Renew insurance/so called vaccine 4 times a year?

 

Have not had covid infection yet, taking all precautions. Survived 1,5 years without the vaccine but who knows if I would have been symptomatic or asymptomatic had I not taken this vaccine.

18 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Wait they are now starting to advise a 4th jab. In almost 1 year the norm is now 4 jabs.

 

What is full vaccinated now, 2, 3 or 4 jabs?

 

The data in Israel has already proven that having 3 jabs didn't work, they are considering a 4th dose. 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, userabcd said:

Renew insurance/so called vaccine 4 times a year?

 

Have not had covid infection yet, taking all precautions. Survived 1,5 years without the vaccine but who knows if I would have been symptomatic or asymptomatic had I not taken this vaccine.

Many people don't understand that the purpose of vaccine is to produce the immune memory B and T cells and not antibodies.

 

It's our immune memory that produce antibodies when the real virus attacks and not the vaccine.

 

I studied microbiology at university.

11 minutes ago, redsongthaew said:

What you have just said is exactly the same as saying:

 

All cats have 4 legs.

All dogs have 4 legs.

Therefore all cats are dogs.

 Not the sharpest tool in the box, are you?

41 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Remember, just under a couple of years ago.....quite a number of people were carping on about Covid being 'just the flu'... as people drowned in their own fluids in Italian hospitals, then UK ones, USA ones, Mexican and Brazilian. On TV we had overworked medical staff telling us, this is not a cold.

The 'people' put their heads under the blanket for a good while as S. African, UK and Indian variants made things worse..... they have started to peek out and mumble again!

 Remember those videos of people dropping dead in the street in China from “Covid 19”?

 Do you still believe they were real?

25 minutes ago, redsongthaew said:

What you have just said is exactly the same as saying:

 

All cats have 4 legs.

All dogs have 4 legs.

Therefore all cats are dogs.

This is Cartesian logic. 1st year philosophy.

I just got a booster yesterday, 24 Dec, and was given Pfizer. My first two shots were AstraZeneca.

 

I had no adverse reactions other than waking up with a slightly sore arm, like someone had punched me where I got the shot. Otherwise, all is good... ????

1 minute ago, billsmart said:

I just got a booster yesterday, 24 Dec, and was given Pfizer. My first two shots were AstraZeneca.

 

I had no adverse reactions other than waking up with a slightly sore arm, like someone had punched me where I got the shot. Otherwise, all is good... ????

Interestingly an Oxford uni research team, seperate from the vaccine makers, said that 3 AZ proving more effective.

1 hour ago, fredscats said:

Its made in Thailand

The govt still has to buy it even when made in Thailand.

1 hour ago, fredscats said:

Its made in Thailand

So what? 

It would still be under licence of Oxford AstraZeneca. 

2 hours ago, Bim Smith said:

Read between the lines. So that's 4. Time to release those government contracts with Pharma, unredacted. Chimpanzee cold virus jab? No thanks. 

Is it Bim or Dim?

Most of the UK is triple jabbed but they still have 120,000 cases a DAY !!

Anti-vaxxers here seem to go to extreme lengths to try to convince others that their personal choice was right, and everyone else is wrong. I'm not sure what the underlying psychology is with these folks? Maybe they need reassurances?

 

Meanwhile reasonably intelligent people muddle along, getting vaccinated or not, without the need to convince others.

 

 

I had my second AZ in November thanks to BPH In Central .Everyone that day received a receipt detailing the information of the previous shots .A space was provided on the receipt for a third shot

so they where expecting this way back

24 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Interestingly an Oxford uni research team, seperate from the vaccine makers, said that 3 AZ proving more effective.

 

What are the names of these so-called 'Oxford uni' research team and their background. Interestingly, their names was not published which tells volumes.

 

One need to trace whether this research team are in anyway connected to the big pharma companies.

 

24 minutes ago, Stoker58 said:

 Remember those videos of people dropping dead in the street in China from “Covid 19”?

 Do you still believe they were real?

This was 25th January 2020 - Remember this, still seems real now? 

Disturbing videos have emerged purporting to show people collapsing in the streets of the Chinese city at the centre of the new coronavirus outbreak. 

 

https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/preview/mol/2020/01/24/2255681910686892688/636x382_MP4_2255681910686892688.mp4

 

 

7 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Anti-vaxxers here seem to go to extreme lengths to try to convince others that their personal choice was right, and everyone else is wrong. I'm not sure what the underlying psychology is with these folks? Maybe they need reassurances?

 

Meanwhile reasonably intelligent people muddle along, getting vaccinated or not, without the need to convince others.

 

Not all are anti-vaxxers but anti-booster shots.

 

Vaccines have been proven over the past few decades that 2 shots is more than enough to build immune memory.

 

To mandate a third and even fourth booster shot (Israel) within a short time span of 1 year is unprecedented. 

 

If two shots don't work, why should a third and fourth booster of the same vaccine work?

2 hours ago, fredscats said:

Its made in Thailand

and the one we can not name is (it appears) a major stock holder in the pharma/lab making it....

6 minutes ago, EricTh said:

If two shots don't work, why should a third and fourth booster of the same vaccine work?

Because research shows that it does.

33 minutes ago, Henryford said:

Most of the UK is triple jabbed but they still have 120,000 cases a DAY !!

And in Scotland some stats info shows hospitalisations and deaths are mostly made up of vaccinated and partly vaccinated.

18 minutes ago, EricTh said:

Not all are anti-vaxxers but anti-booster shots.

So you can choose not to get a booster shot, right?

 

How does posting a juvenile meme do anything but give some brief satisfaction to the poster? Maybe they are frightened and this ebhavior makes them feel in control?

 

Honestly, I think they're trying to convince themselves.

 

And what's with "Big" pharma? I see that phrase used a lot here by "doubters". Is there some size of pharma that is acceptable? Small pharma is OK? Is pharma not big when they'll make my de-wormer?

 

 

 

 

Here is some data from UK on Omicron (translated, but googling would likely give you English source):

 

Double vaccinated with AZ, who received an mRNA booster have 60% less chance of infection after 2 weeks, but within 10 weeks from booster drops to 35% for Pfizer and 45% for Moderna. Preventing serious illness likely lasts much longer.

 

There is 30-70% less likelihood of Omicron-infected to require hospitalisation, although most patients so far were young and data on infected elderly is limited.

 

Israel and Germany are already planning second booster shots.

 

AZ itself is largely ineffective against Omicron (<20%).

Boosters are very effective for boosting vaccine companies bottom lines. Wont stop with 3 jabs. This will only stop when the fear ends.

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

You have to consider the bigger picture. The UK appeared to be taking your view until they started to suffer acute staff shortages, now they are reintroducing restrictions.

Perhaps they should have listened to what the nurses were saying, i.e. not to make vaccines mandatory and give them better wages, fact of the matter in my opinion is that governments will take other measures as opposed to facing the problems at hand when faced with them, because they think that they know best.

 

2 hours ago, wensiensheng said:

Mine is due January 7th.
 

I’m hoping that they DONT reach a conclusion. I’m quite happy to take the much more widely used Pfizer booster than have a 3rd AZ, for which Thai “experts” are the only ones recommending as a booster as a result of yet another non peer reviewed thai study, but which puts money in the hands of a locally owned company.

 

I know I’m cynical, but what can I say? I just don’t trust these guys. I mean, supposedly they have enough Pfizer according to Anutin, so why the sudden suggested change to AZ?

My local health authority say a Sino/Az mix or double AZ will get Pfizer for a booster

Double Sino will get AZ as a booster.

Both after 3 months of 2nd jab.

That was what every vaccine manufacturers are saying: that their vaccines are the best. 
In reality, does everything go back to normal? 
Moreover, Israel has already moved to their 4th booster shot for their citizens. So I guess there will be more booster shots on our way. 
Even more, billions of people out there are still not taking their first shot and they're doing fine probably they’re recovered from C19.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/12/22/israel-fourth-dose-covid-booster/

 

Big pharma!! They're so scary evil!

 

Around 1999 or 2000 I held a batch of Pfizer shares for a while. I paid about US$28 and sold them for US$31. PFE is now worth US$59, less than double in 21 years, so if I had held onto those shares I would have gotten about 4% per annum in growth, plus a fluctuating dividend. All taxable, of course, so barely ahead of inflation. 

 

If Pfizer is so crafty, if they are war profiteering as some have said, why can't they earn a proper long-term return?

2 hours ago, Stoker58 said:

 Remember those videos of people dropping dead in the street in China from “Covid 19”?

 Do you still believe they were real?

I am skeptical where China is concerned, but the News reports I saw from these hospitals were from a good source and very worrying, and sad. Trying to get people to take Covid seriously was a battle.

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

 

What are the names of these so-called 'Oxford uni' research team and their background. Interestingly, their names was not published which tells volumes.

 

One need to trace whether this research team are in anyway connected to the big pharma companies.

 

As I said they are seperate from the Oxford Zenica team.