Brit 'tourist' murdered by scythe in Kanchanaburi - friend in hospital - loud music blamed

[SteveAZ]

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

You've made a lot of assumptions....  

 

This conflict went from Zero to murder instantly - there were no repeated occurrences, build up, there were no warnings or requests to turn down the volume....    this went from being sat there to being dead without a warning.

 

Was the music even loud ??? ...  this of course is the headline.. but is it true, just like all the truck accidents claiming brake failure... because its printed or accused, it doesn’t mean its true. 

 

@Hammer2021 - you really need to check yourself and some of your comments - you are slipping towards the extreme end of the Thai Apologist spectrum....    A guy was murdered and you are suggesting that he only deserved a beating... and for what ? ...  You have lost your grip on reality. 

 

 

Meanwhile we have information from someone who knows the victim (below)....    

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I suspect mileage may vary.....   while some in some area Thai’s may feel an excessive level of disregard for foreigners in general due to the behaviour of some foreigners in those areas lending to a shorter fuse and sometimes the attitude of ‘looking for trouble’... the opposite also applies whereby foreigners who are behaving poorly are ‘given a pass’ because it is not expected that they know the ‘local etiquette’ and when trouble occurs there may be a greater degree of attention than a Thai on Thai conflict. 

 

Swings and roundabouts I reckon.... 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Not really.

Did I read some one think this is analogous to George Floyd?! Really?!  Was the police involved in the murder? No.  This murder sounds more like an average night in the wrong part of Miami. 

[Nickelbeer]

Big news.  Thais will KILL you.  Not a very controversial statement. In fact they will kill you over the smallest provocation.

Edited January 22, 2022 by Nickelbeer

[djayz]

What a waste of life just because one party didn't have the decency to turn down the volume late at night and the other party couldn't control their temper. 

 

[richard_smith237]

38 minutes ago, Sunnny said:

Yes, keep assuring yourself they love you even more than they love themselves. And then go and pay the double and triple prices everywhere. It is a sure sign of love and respect.

When someone treats you favourably, you think they love you more than you love yourself ??? - exaggerate much?

 

Note: I wrote: Thai’s are generally indifferent to everyone else around them & more often than not as a foreigner we’ll be treated more favourably (thats my experience at least).

 

 

General interactions around Thailand are nearly always positive experiences....  (exceptions are some taxis and those in tourist areas which dual price) - 

 

 

38 minutes ago, Sunnny said:

Or when the Thai minister tells the public during the first wave of pandemics that foreigners will get the vaccine right after homeless and beggars get it - this is, probably, also a clear sign for people like you that Thais do treat foreigners equally and respectfully.

This is totally wrong - thats some paranoid delusional ’they hate us farangs’ bar stool rubbish... 

 

I was vaccinated in before nearly all the Thai’s I know (before my Wife and In Laws - Same day as brother in Law)....  

You can play the victim if you want... Not me, I receive fair and equal treatment. I wouldn’t live here if I didn’t (the only exceptions are land ownership etc - which is a government thing not an interaction with the local Thai’s think - the two shouldn’t be confused).

 

 

38 minutes ago, Sunnny said:

So many examples out there but nothing will help people living inside their own illusionary bubble. 

What is your expectation?  you want everyone to treat you like a king or its otherwise a negative experience ?

 

You seem to think those who do not encounter regularly negative experiences here are in an illusionary bubble ??? in thinking like that I’d suggest the issue is you !!! 

 

I expect nothing special just the same indifference everyone treats everyone else with, however, more often than not when interacting with Thai’s there is a pleasant exchange and issues work out in my favour - be that businesses, restaurants, authority, immigration, police etc..  very rarely any issues. 

 

 

38 minutes ago, Sunnny said:

Still I warn all those with a minimum sense of reality present - never forget that you are strangers in this country and BE CAREFUL.

Everyone is stranger everywhere.... If you are a Thai from Bangkok in Chiang Mai you are an outsider, the same as if you are a foreigners... none of it matters, it's all about how you behave how you interact wherever you are.

 

38 minutes ago, Sunnny said:

The guy whose head was cut off in Kanchanaburi probably also thought that he is an entitled foreigner surrounded by the friendly locals.

You're into assumptions...    there is nothing to suggest at all that he considered he was entitled to anything.

He was simply drinking outside his room - reportedly with music on. 

 

If the music is loud, thats antisocial...  but how loud was it ? (if on at all). 

 

38 minutes ago, Sunnny said:

Nothing, as it turned out, was further from the truth.

He was killed by a mentally ill nutcase...  you seem to be pushing the narrative that the deceased upset the locals who killed him....  which is clearly incorrect. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 22, 2022 by richard_smith237

[stigar]

When i lived in a small village in surin some people(thai)start play loud music 2-5 am.Nowone complained.Sometimes big figthing in middle of nigth..mostly angry ladies screaming to he husband because home late and wery drunk.Nowone cared.

[DPKANKAN]

2 hours ago, jackinthebox said:

This is what happens when you lockdown Party-towns and night-time places like Pataya or Bangkok. Tourists hang out in boring places like Kanchanaburi, nothing to do after 8 pm, sitting in front of their rooms drinking for endless hours. No Bars around, no girls to meet. Just wasting time and annoying others. Until.... R.I.P.

Have you ever been to Kanchanaburi?? Obviously not on the Mae Nam Kwae Road. Plenty of bars, with girls and restaurants and always plenty of places to drink at all hours and even during lock down. 

[richard_smith237]

7 minutes ago, djayz said:

What a waste of life just because one party didn't have the decency to turn down the volume late at night and the other party couldn't control their temper. 

 

I know it was reported in the headline..... 

 

But WHO has actually started that the Music was loud ???? 

 

Was that just the excuse used by the mentally unstable murderer ???? - if so, how much of that do we believe ?

 

Were the two guys just having a beer, talking and the music was just a mild background sound? or was it really too loud ? - has anyone else backed up the claim of loud music ?

 

A lot of people are blaming the two western guys for playing loud music....  but really, is that actually true ?

 

 

[SteveAZ]

48 minutes ago, LikeItHot said:

Thais have zero respect for volume levels and neighbors. If this was not farangs he would have joined the party. More Thai racism period.

Sounds more like your intent on making it out to be a racial issue without any factual information supporting your baseless claim.  Thanks 

[Jackcwba]

Tourists are finally coming back in minimal numbers and they are either getting raped or getting chopped to pieces via a scythe. 
 

amazing Thailand 

[Sunnny]

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

He was killed by a mentally ill nutcase...  you seem to be pushing the narrative that the deceased upset the locals who killed him....  which is clearly incorrect. 

 

 I am yet to meet a mentally stable Thai person (especially when under the influence of alcohol). All my Thai gfs used the knives whenever something went the wrong way in their crazy minds. Some tried to cut themselves. One even tried to jump out of the window on the 17th floor - without any serious reason. None of them was officially insane yet they acted like ones on the regular basis. The fact they state from the start that the murderer was “mentally ill” quite worries me. Sounds like a preparation for an early release.

 Reminds me of my childhood where people used to say “be careful of that man, he is nuts with the papers”. Which meant the person can  harm anybody without suffering serious legal consequences. 
 

 

Edited January 22, 2022 by Sunnny

[richard_smith237]

10 minutes ago, Jackcwba said:

Tourists are finally coming back in minimal numbers and they are either getting raped or getting chopped to pieces via a scythe. 
 

amazing Thailand 

All of them ??....  

 

‘cos I only have anecdotal evidence, but I know of one guy who came back recently, he wasn’t attacked, cut, chopped up, murdered, ripped off, taken to an expensive hospital after a false positive covid test...   Quite disappointing really... .

 

 

[SteveAZ]

1 hour ago, trainman34014 said:

'Suspect' will walk; if not now then short time in the future as Farang are 'Disposable Aliens' here !

Sounds like you need to return to the prefect world you left behind to come to Thailand.  

[Black Angus]

When I use to throw a party I invited ALL the neighbor's. 

"Problem  solved" But I always also consider the ones that  didn't.

     The Host should also stay sober. Don't also stop trouble but at least 99.5% of the time it safe.

[SteveAZ]

52 minutes ago, Sunnny said:

 Yes, keep assuring yourself they love you even more than they love themselves. And then go and pay the double and triple prices everywhere. It is a sure sign of love and respect. Or when the Thai minister tells the public during the first wave of pandemics that foreigners will get the vaccine right after homeless and beggars get it - this is, probably, also a clear sign for people like you that Thais do treat foreigners equally and respectfully. So many examples out there but nothing will help people living inside their own illusionary bubble. 
  Still I warn all those with a minimum sense of reality present - never forget that you are strangers in this country and BE CAREFUL. The guy whose head was cut off in Kanchanaburi probably also thought that he is an entitled foreigner surrounded by the friendly locals. Nothing, as it turned out, was further from the truth.

 

Sunny I agree with you. Perhaps it’s just my sweet disposition ; ) 

[Mac Mickmanus]

17 minutes ago, Jackcwba said:

Tourists are finally coming back in minimal numbers and they are either getting raped or getting chopped to pieces via a scythe. 
 

amazing Thailand 

What happened to you ?

Did you receive a whack over the head or something ?

[Saanim]

7 minutes ago, Jackcwba said:

Tourists are finally coming back in minimal numbers and they are either getting raped or getting chopped to pieces via a scythe. 
 

amazing Thailand 

Another case as the many others we read here daily: outraged while forgetting (or do not realizing) that similar cases also happen in own - so perfect - country: an escalating incident over an argument of drunk people late night.

Only different: murdered not by a sickle...     

[Daithi85]

15 minutes ago, Jackcwba said:

Tourists are finally coming back in minimal numbers and they are either getting raped or getting chopped to pieces via a scythe. 
 

amazing Thailand 

Stupid comment. 

[SteveAZ]

30 minutes ago, stigar said:

When i lived in a small village in surin some people(thai)start play loud music 2-5 am.Nowone complained.Sometimes big figthing in middle of nigth..mostly angry ladies screaming to he husband because home late and wery drunk.Nowone cared.

That’s because everyone knows not to  aggravate an already aggravated woman in her own house. 

[stigar]

6 minutes ago, SteveAZ said:

That’s because everyone knows not to  aggravate an already aggravated woman in her own house. 

Ur rigth.The next day you get the whole story anyway.

[connda]

Get through all of the paperwork and Covid testing just to meet the Thai version of Freddy Kruger at Nightmare on Soi Sri Lanka Street.  Way way way too many foreigners end up murdered, dead or severely injured here.  If Mr. John had been a Thai in the US the talking heads would be screaming bloody (racist) murder on the World News.  But here in Thailand?  It's a shoulder shrug and a "Oh hum."  How amazingly sad.  RIP and I hope the other fellow recovers. 

[michael888]

always going for the death blow.  noted

[Mac Mickmanus]

29 minutes ago, Sunnny said:

All my Thai gfs used the knives whenever something went the wrong way in their crazy minds. Some tried to cut themselves. One even tried to jump out of the window on the 17th floor - without any serious reason. None of them was officially insane yet they acted like ones on the regular basis.

Where did you meet all your girlfriends ?

What kind of jobs were they doing when you met them ?

[stigar]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

Get through all of the paperwork and Covid testing just to meet the Thai version of Freddy Kruger at Nightmare on Soi Sri Lanka Street.  Way way way too many foreigners end up murdered, dead or severely injured here.  If Mr. John had been a Thai in the US the talking heads would be screaming bloody (racist) murder on the World News.  But here in Thailand?  It's a shoulder shrug and a "Oh hum."  How amazingly sad.  RIP and I hope the other fellow recovers. 

I agree wih you.Thats why i prefer to be quiet in thailand.Me and my lady dont interfer with other then family and real friends.Thats why we never go out drinking among thais.Shes a non drinker.I prefer to take a cold beer at the balcony at nigthtime.Peaceful quiet life with no drama.We never invite people to our home for a party.

[SteveAZ]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Thai "culture" seems to be about doing exactly what you want, where you want and whatever time you want and  being completely unbothered if you are disturbing anyone else .

I must live in a different Thailand. Thais are always polite to me. My experience is the opposite, no problems at all. 

[Sunnny]

4 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Where did you meet all your girlfriends ?

What kind of jobs were they doing when you met them ?

Typical job of the Isaan girls in Pattaya: classical piano teachers.

[Aussieroaming]

RIP to the gentleman that was murdered and I hope the other victim recovers. As for the killer, well he is obviously in need of mental health care and/or a secure facility to house him. Condolences to those that are left behind to face the aftermath.

 

[Nojohndoe]

I have been away offline  few days and come back to  topics on this increasingly sad site which highlights the  extreme rants of people who attempt to demean the totality of a nation based on  extreme examples that are  likely no more nor less than  any other .

Folk off!

[EVENKEEL]

5 minutes ago, SteveAZ said:

I must live in a different Thailand. Thais are always polite to me. My experience is the opposite, no problems at all. 

There's never a problem, till there's a problem.

[Nojohndoe]

1 hour ago, Sunnny said:

 Yes, keep assuring yourself they love you even more than they love themselves. And then go and pay the double and triple prices everywhere. It is a sure sign of love and respect. Or when the Thai minister tells the public during the first wave of pandemics that foreigners will get the vaccine right after homeless and beggars get it - this is, probably, also a clear sign for people like you that Thais do treat foreigners equally and respectfully. So many examples out there but nothing will help people living inside their own illusionary bubble. 
  Still I warn all those with a minimum sense of reality present - never forget that you are strangers in this country and BE CAREFUL. The guy whose head was cut off in Kanchanaburi probably also thought that he was an entitled foreigner surrounded by the friendly locals. Nothing, as it turned out, was further from the truth.

 

So reveal now  your global location ? Institution  not required.

[djayz]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

I know it was reported in the headline..... 

 

But WHO has actually started that the Music was loud ???? 

 

Was that just the excuse used by the mentally unstable murderer ???? - if so, how much of that do we believe ?

 

Were the two guys just having a beer, talking and the music was just a mild background sound? or was it really too loud ? - has anyone else backed up the claim of loud music ?

 

A lot of people are blaming the two western guys for playing loud music....  but really, is that actually true ?

 

 

First of all, I'm not blaming anybody - Thais or Westerners - of anything but complete and utter disregard for those around them and the value of human life. 

Secondly, if you believe that all whites/Brits/Westeners are angels, then you obviously haven't met many of them. There are good and bad in all walks of life. 

There is never smoke without fire. 

Do you honestly and truly believe that a group of blokes - Thai, Western, whatever - are going to be quiet at 3 in the morning while sitting outside having a few drinks? 

Edited January 22, 2022 by djayz