6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Here in Thailand the alcohol problem is probably whiskey and lao khao induced for the Thais anyway, not so many problems with just beer. I'm sure you don't mean to throw all those who have a beer, a glass of wine or a few drinks into the same alcoholic abuser category but you do. Much the same as those who consider a pot smoker as a "druggie" which is an old person's term.

 

A little pot compliments a beer buzz and the only victims are M&M's.

Indeed you have a clear view of things, but people see those who use pot as potheads and dangerous while alcohol users are not seen that way.

 

The truth is that moderate use of both is not a problem (combined might be). But most alcohol users have a wrong image of pot users. I see no harm in use of either as long as you don't take partake in traffic when under the influence. Also people should be free to use as long as they don't bother others. Live and let live. But that does not seem to be the case with alcohol users on this forum. They see pot users as dangerous while research shows a different image.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/we-took-a-scientific-look-at-whether-weed-or-alcohol-is-worse-for-you-and-there-appears-to-be-a-winner-a8056186.html

 

Marijuana appears to be significantly less addictive than alcohol

Close to half of all adults have tried marijuana at least once, making it one of the most widely used illegal drugs — yet research suggests that a relatively small percentage of people become addicted.

For a 1994 survey, epidemiologists at the National Institute on Drug Abuse asked more than 8,000 people from ages 15 to 64 about their drug use. Of those who had tried marijuana at least once, roughly 9% eventually fit a diagnosis of addiction. For alcohol, the figure was about 15%. To put that in perspective, the addiction rate for cocaine was 17%, while heroin was 23% and nicotine was 32%.

 

4 minutes ago, steven100 said:

you keep trying to push your alcoholic nonsense when it's perfectly legal ....  whereas drugs are not and society in general frowns upon pushers, addicts and users & rightly so.  The story is about a drug,  nothing to do with alcohol.

 

 

 

Alcohol is a drug, and yes society in general frows upon drug use while at the same time has no problem with the drug alcohol. That is the point im making Steven. Maybe you drank too much and your reasoning skill have gone but pot is less damaging then the drug you love so much.

 

So I am all for decriminalizing pot as its less harmful and people should be free to use their choice of drug alcohol or pot as long as they don't bother other people. But its a bit strange that all the alcohol users have no clue that their drug (legals is just a label) is far worse.

 

 

2 hours ago, daveAustin said:

That’s a step in the right direction if they implement certain areas for smokers and not just cultivating low THC tat. I’m neither a smoker nor a pothead but having a choice would be cool. 

It all sounds a bit crazy to me, if they only have certain 'sandboxes' that means those that are not tourists and fancy a smoke, will either have to travel away from home, and with the carnage on Thai roads increasing, that is not an option for many,  or move. I can see land prices escalating in those areas this is all about the $$$$$$ to be made.

No tegridy whatsoever.

11 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Yeah, I got cannabis mad friends who do that too.... they used to drink, but now use weed, even grow it. I think they are motivated by how it is far cheaper than the beer they used to drink so much of. So yes, legalize it, and get some real taxes coming in from it.

I don't really care what drug people use alcohol or pot or even others as long as they don't bother others im fine with it. But the moralistic view on this forum of alcohol users bothers me. (Especially as science shows them wrong but they feel justified by social acceptance instead of cold hard facts)

 

I have used pot, great for sleeping helped me during bouts of insomnia. But its not for me as the munchies kill my diet. Now im pretty sure alcohol would not be be great for my diet but I don't like it (the taste). I would love pot if it did not give me the munchies. 

 

And yes get tax from it and be done with it. Many countries are legalizing it. 

 

But overuse of any drug will get you in trouble (health wise or otherwise) but the majority of people can control themselves. I feel its unfair to ban stuff because some people can't control themselves. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

It all sounds a bit crazy to me, if they only have certain 'sandboxes' that means those that are not tourists and fancy a smoke, will either have to travel away from home, and with the carnage on Thai roads increasing, that is not an option for many,  or move. I can see land prices escalating in those areas this is all about the $$$$$$ to be made.

No tegridy whatsoever.

There are other problems, pot stays detectable in the system for quite some time. So how to do if someone went to a sandbox and used and gets tested somewhere else ?

 

Your carnage on the roads is a bit strange given that alcohol is far worse when driving . Though I am totally against using any of them when you drive. Its an selfish act and should be punished harshly. 

 

Both drugs may be linked with risks while driving, but alcohol is worse

A research note published by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (PDF) found that, when adjusting for other factors, having a detectable amount of THC (the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis) in your blood did not increase the risk of being involved in a car crash. Having a blood-alcohol level of at least 0.05%, on the other hand, increased that risk by 575%.

Still, combining the two appears to have the worst results.

"The risk from driving under the influence of both alcohol and cannabis is greater than the risk of driving under the influence of either alone," the authors of a 2009 review wrote in the American Journal of Addiction.

I don't mind building a sandbox in the middle of my living room if that means I can consume cannabis in the comfort of my own home.
 

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Your carnage on the roads is a bit strange given that alcohol is far worse when driving .

I agree 100% the point i was making if you read my post, is, you will be risking your life, to travel there and back just so one can legally have a smoke. Sorry if i was not clear, the carnage on the roads is increasing. Fact.

I did not suggest smokers will make it worse than it already is, drunk or sober Thai drivers are the worst in the world if all deaths were included that die in hospital or even weeks/months later from injuries. 

1 minute ago, brianthainess said:

I agree 100% the point i was making if you read my post, is, you will be risking your life, to travel there and back just so one can legally have a smoke. Sorry if i was not clear, the carnage on the roads is increasing. Fact.

I did not suggest smokers will make it worse than it already is, drunk or sober Thai drivers are the worst in the world if all deaths were included that die in hospital or even weeks/months later from injuries. 

Yea this plan is far from perfect, anyway lets see what happens. Big talk usually.. little action. This might die.

26 minutes ago, robblok said:

as long as they don't bother other people

yes .... I agree on your point above,  nothing wrong with a few beers each day provided one can handle it and does not bother anyone else.

Just now, Freddy42OZ said:

I don't mind building a sandbox in the middle of my living room if that means I can consume cannabis in the comfort of my own home.
 

Well my Patio gets quite dusty, I could just buy some more sand like this.

7 minutes ago, steven100 said:

yes .... I agree on your point above,  nothing wrong with a few beers each day provided one can handle it and does not bother anyone else.

I feel the same way for pot and other drugs, as long as people don't bother others. But you seem to have it out for pot. Bit hypocritical IMHO. 

 

For me do whatever you want to your body as long as you don't bother others then its all fine with me. 

1 hour ago, mtls2005 said:

It won't work, obviously.

 

Tourist partakes in sandbox, walks outside of sandbox, police drug test and shakedown. Thong Lor police salivating.

 

Someone's idiot nephew thought it would be cool to mention a sandbox. Usually littered with dog and cat feces. (Yes, we all know about software/app sandboxes.)

 

You can't have the law of the land suspended based on geographic location? (Unless you grant yourselves emergency powers of course.)

 

One wonders if there will be a prostitution sandbox, I mean other than the entire country.

 

 

 

 

But surely it would be a "CannaBox" ..........................LOL

3 minutes ago, Geoffggi said:

But surely it would be a "CannaBox" ..........................LOL

LOL. No.

 

https://www.cannabox.com/

2 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

LOL. No.

 

https://www.cannabox.com/

Wow didn't know there was already one out there, I see what you mean I don't think they would go for it in this context ..................LOL

It's a complicated issue but there is a model in use right now, in Canada

 

https://theconversation.com/canadas-marijuana-legalization-provides-lessons-to-the-world-on-selling-cannabis-166645#:~:text=In October 2018%2C Canada became,the recreational use of cannabis.&text=The Cannabis Act (Bill C,sale and possession of cannabis.

Just now, DowntownAl said:

It's a complicated issue but there is a modal in use right now, in Canada

 

https://theconversation.com/canadas-marijuana-legalization-provides-lessons-to-the-world-on-selling-cannabis-166645#:~:text=In October 2018%2C Canada became,the recreational use of cannabis.&text=The Cannabis Act (Bill C,sale and possession of cannabis.

The legal structure behind it's use

 

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/cj-jp/cannabis/

43 minutes ago, steven100 said:

you keep trying to push your alcoholic nonsense when it's perfectly legal ....  whereas drugs are not and society in general frowns upon pushers, addicts and users & rightly so.  The story is about a drug,  nothing to do with alcohol.

 

 

 

sorry, marihuana is not a drug, it's a herb!

yaba, heroine, cocaine and all other chemical <deleted> are drugs! even regular drugs can be bought in a 'drugstore'! the word says it already!

so no drug but a herb.

personally I have nothing against alcohol, but you have to admit that most trouble happens after dark and mostly under the influence of alcohol.

look at the traffic stats and you know that alcohol is the culprit...

of course not moderate use, but that is the thing, after a couple drinks you loose count and before you know it it's to much. then still drive a car/motorbike and trouble marches in!

look at this Aseannow-news-site: traffic-accidents, domestic fights, streetbrawls etc 80% is alcohol caused...

these are facts, not just my opinion!

all the above mess won't happen when smoking pot! 

the government just have to get used to it a bit more. this is relatively new for politicians... not for people living in rural areas: across where we live is an older lady growing a few ganja plants in her backyard for making hot tea: it helps her relax before sleeping! she does this for years already! what harm can this be? or you think that lady is also a 'pothead'?

wake up people, same as in many other countries they should accept the new normal and it includes pot as well! ????

someone else mentioned already that there is lots of money to be made on taxes. look what happened in Canada, several states of USA, Urugay, Portugal, and elsewhere, do you think they all do it wrong?

what has to be done is that Tland should invite some specialists over to help with developing this megabizz. thàt would put tourism in second place within a couple years!

just check what changes it made for Colorado-USA for instance!

I don't need permission to grow 6 plants ......... one is enough.

 

Cannabis sandbox?

 

I think every island in Thailand already has their own cannabis sandbox.

 

When i first visited Thailand i was surprised to see how easy it was get cannabis.

They didn't even try and hide it while smoking in bars at the beaches and such.

If you could find a bar with a reggae flag you could be sure you could find it there.

Don't smoke myself and didn't care of people smoked, even if i hate the smell.

 

I just thought it was weird, since i thought Thailand had some very strict rules.

 

Personally as a non smoker i think it's ok to lift the ban on cannabis worldwide.

 

Might as well have the governments worldwide tax it and make some money from it.

 

It's just stupid as it is now that cannabis are "tolerated" in so many countries, but the revenue end in the hands of criminals.

 

The war on cannabis has been lost for decades by now and no reason to spend so much money on fighting a lost war.

 

Just make sure it's strictly forbidden to drive while under the influence of cannabis.

 

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Indeed you have a clear view of things, but people see those who use pot as potheads and dangerous while alcohol users are not seen that way.

 

The truth is that moderate use of both is not a problem (combined might be). But most alcohol users have a wrong image of pot users. I see no harm in use of either as long as you don't take partake in traffic when under the influence. Also people should be free to use as long as they don't bother others. Live and let live. But that does not seem to be the case with alcohol users on this forum. They see pot users as dangerous while research shows a different image.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/we-took-a-scientific-look-at-whether-weed-or-alcohol-is-worse-for-you-and-there-appears-to-be-a-winner-a8056186.html

 

Marijuana appears to be significantly less addictive than alcohol

Close to half of all adults have tried marijuana at least once, making it one of the most widely used illegal drugs — yet research suggests that a relatively small percentage of people become addicted.

For a 1994 survey, epidemiologists at the National Institute on Drug Abuse asked more than 8,000 people from ages 15 to 64 about their drug use. Of those who had tried marijuana at least once, roughly 9% eventually fit a diagnosis of addiction. For alcohol, the figure was about 15%. To put that in perspective, the addiction rate for cocaine was 17%, while heroin was 23% and nicotine was 32%.

 

Addiction is possibly related to availability 

With this many involved, it should be smooth sailing.

 

3 hours ago, steven100 said:

pot heads will be wetting their pants about now .....    lol

 

... catching up with yer alkies you mean? Way to go ...

 

2 hours ago, mtls2005 said:

 

FDA Secretary-General Dr. Paisan Dankhum said the FDA's bill would allow people to grow cannabis for their own consumption on the condition that they must report the cultivation to their respective provincial administrative organisations. Household consumption would be for medical purposes only.

 

Those who wish to be involved in commercial cultivation, import, export, sales and advertisements of cannabis will need FDA's approval.

 

The bill set a jail term of three years and/or a fine of 30,000 baht for wrongdoers.

 

 

<The current equivalent punishment is five years and 100,000.>

 

 

Report the growing of household weed is a joke!  Doesn't this guy know how many older people (typically women) are growing plants for their small villages use now?  Especially up in N Thailand!

Let the gov clean up the air first!  This affects more people than smoking / consuming weed ...

26 minutes ago, Virt said:

I just thought it was weird, since i thought Thailand had some very strict rules.

 

It's just stupid as it is now that cannabis are "tolerated" in so many countries, but the revenue end in the hands of criminals.

Some gov's are taxing the product too much and the black market / illegal weed is still ahead of the legal weed.  I'd like to know how this is in Canada ...

Soon Mexico will decriminalize marijuana to ... 

How do police check for "impaired" driving under the influence of marijuana?  It stays in the blood system for 3-5 days I believe.  I don't want my taxi driver or airplane pilot being high ...  Police well maybe ???? ... 

 

I would much rather have some weed before sleep than alcohol ... 

Just now, HaoleBoy said:

How do police check for "impaired" driving under the influence of marijuana?  It stays in the blood system for 3-5 days I believe.  I don't want my taxi driver or airplane pilot being high ...  Police well maybe ???? ... 

 

I would much rather have some weed before sleep than alcohol ... 

I love weed dreams.

4 hours ago, steven100 said:

pot heads will be wetting their pants about now .....    lol

Why?

3 hours ago, robblok said:

A lot of older people on this forum have no knowledge of drugs, if you took the time to educate yourself about the dangers of alcohol vs pot then you would see that alcohol is far more of problem then pot ever is / will be.

Hey buddy, I might be old, but I grew up in the 1960's and we ingested more drugs than you can imagine. How do you think the drug culture got started? We're lucky we survived to be this old ...

 

Paul Laew

4 hours ago, robblok said:

Maybe but any user that can be persuaded from the violence inciting drug alcohol with far harsher effects on the body to pot is great. Though not so great for their diet ???? But then again i rather see a pot user assault a mars bar then a violent drunk assault his wife.

Ah, so they might develop a pot belly...

3 minutes ago, Paulaew said:

Hey buddy, I might be old, but I grew up in the 1960's and we ingested more drugs than you can imagine. How do you think the drug culture got started? We're lucky we survived to be this old ...

 

Paul Laew

A lot .. not all. And im Dutch so what do you think that i don't know drugs ????

 

Actually, i could care less what kind of drugs people use (as long as they don't bother others) or operate  vehicles while under the influence. 

 

For myself i decided against pot as it gives me a POT belly like @Bluespunk said. I just can't control myself once i use pot.

 

Does not work well with trying to stay on a healthy weight and working out a lot. Besides that i loved pot as it helped me against insomia. Now struggling again with it but decided i hate a pot belly more ????