Are we just going to have to live with unvaccinated people across Thailand?

[The Hammer2021]

Some foreigners  who have refused so far will get vaccinated when they need to travel

[The Hammer2021]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 

I think the fear is fading, hopefully

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Some foreigners  who have refused so far will get vaccinated when they need to travel

Or they just wont travel .

[pedro01]

A booster a year is what the CEO of Pfizer was advocating.

 

I had 2 AZ, number 2 was December. I have COVID right now.

 

The Thai govt sent this care package which is nice.

 

Im not having another vaccine/booster. Its not working, just like the lockdowns.

 

Theraputics are what we need now.

[rott]

5 hours ago, khunjeff said:

 

 

This falls into the category of "I do my own research" - i.e., I watch quacks on YouTube, and then endanger my own health and that of people around me based on my own poor understanding of a subject I know nothing about.

Possibly, but while not agreeing with them I see their point. 

[Skallywag]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

Are people really thinking for them selves or just regurgitating what they find on social media?

The latter

[pedro01]

2 hours ago, Aussie999 said:

I really don't understand this, in my opinion it makes no difference, whether customers are vaccinated. or not, those vaccinated have some protection, those not vaccinated, take the risk, it matters not, even to staff, who also take the risk of not being vaccinated.
oh, and before anyone accuses me, of not being vaccinated... I have had 3 jabs.

Agreed.

 

Vaccinated or not, you can still catch/spread it.

 

Too many busybodies with nothing better to do.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 hours ago, jvs said:

 

Again,just for you.

If un vaccinated people become infected the chances they are getting severely ill and need to be treated in a hospital are much greater then vaccinated people.

Are you with me so far?

Too many severe cases can clog up the medical system,this can effect al of us.

 

They had field hospitals where all the Covid patients went going to go to .

Remember the huge field hospitals they built awaiting the thousands of expected Covid patients............................which all closed down soon after ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

A booster a year is what the CEO of Pfizer was advocating.

 

I had 2 AZ, number 2 was December. I have COVID right now.

 

The Thai govt sent this care package which is nice.

 

Im not having another vaccine/booster. Its not working, just like the lockdowns.

 

Theraputics are what we need now.

Are you in state quarantine or in private accommodation ?

[jvs]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

They had field hospitals where all the Covid patients went going to go to .

Remember the huge field hospitals they built awaiting the thousands of expected Covid patients............................which all closed down soon after ?

Yes i remember,it is a good thing they were not neccesary,do you remember the pictures of people

lying in the parking lot of hospitals waiting for some one to die so they could get a bed?

 

[Skallywag]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 

Covid didnt change,  a year ago many less people were vaccinated, now that most who wanted a vaccine got it, less people are dying from Covid, but still way more than normal flu or a cold.   

Still over 50,000 a WEEK dying in some countries, much more than the common cold or annual influensa ever killed per year in most country (US had 60,000 total influenza deaths in 2018)

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, jvs said:

Yes i remember,it is a good thing they were not neccesary,do you remember the pictures of people

lying in the parking lot of hospitals waiting for some one to die so they could get a bed?

 

That just doesnt make sense .

If people were lying in hospital car parks waiting for a bed because of Covid patients in hospital beds, why didn't they move the Covid patients to field hospitals ? 

[jvs]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That just doesnt make sense .

If people were lying in hospital car parks waiting for a bed because of Covid patients in hospital beds, why didn't they move the Covid patients to field hospitals ? 

It does make sense if you look at the explanation,non-severe cases were placed in field hospitals.

Cases that needed oxygen needed to be in an ICU unit,in a hospital.

I was talking about pictures taken in Bangkok of actual Covid Patients last year.

Easy to find on the internet.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, jvs said:

It does make sense if you look at the explanation,non-severe cases were placed in field hospitals.

Cases that needed oxygen needed to be in an ICU unit,in a hospital.

I was talking about pictures taken in Bangkok of actual Covid Patients last year.

Easy to find on the internet.

I recall a news report from Chiang Mai last year , headline being "CM hospitals  full because of Covid patients "

  Reading the report you would think that every hospital in CM was full of covid patients , the reality was that only two of CM's hospitals were accepting Covid ICU patients and the number was in the tens/dozens .

[jvs]

32 minutes ago, pedro01 said:

Agreed.

 

Vaccinated or not, you can still catch/spread it.

 

Too many busybodies with nothing better to do.

Agreed.

Vaccinated or not,you can still catch/spread it.You are totally right 100%

However chances of getting it and spreading it are much smaller and chances of getting severely

ill are very much smaller.

I hope you will recover soon and don't suffer any long lasting effects.

[pikao]

5 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Stop trolling. No country or doctor has ever said we need a third or fourth booster.

Wrong. In Germany for example you lose your vaxxed status if you don't get the booster and Israel is at 4th jab already

[MyFriend You]

5 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

"If a traveler staying at their hotel tests positive, the guest has no choice but to be hospitalized at that specific hospital for 7-10 days at their own cost – usually around 10.000"

 

Since when?

 

I thought you could stay in the hotel? My AQH hotel had a lower rate for an extended stay.

 

Stay until you test negative, then go.

 

Lot cheaper than a private hospital.

You have been tested Positive for the Virus.............They don't want you infecting everyone else in the hotel, plain and simple.................I don't necessarily agree with it, but it;s their country, their rules (Okay, here come's the opposition, grab your popcorn)

[The Hammer2021]

54 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Or they just wont travel .

Some of use need to return to Europe at some point in the future..

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, The Hammer2021 said:

Some of use need to return to Europe at some point in the future..

You don't need to be vaccinated to return to your home Country 

[ThLT]

According to a study published in The Lancet, one of the most respected scientific journals in the world, vaccines are only around 13% more protective against infection/transmission:

 

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The SARs in household contacts exposed to the delta variant was 25% in vaccinated and 38% in unvaccinated contacts. These results underpin the key message that vaccinated contacts are better protected than the unvaccinated.

What is the vaccine effect on reducing transmission in the context of the SARS-CoV-2 delta variant? - The Lancet Infectious Diseases

 

So whether you are anti or pro-vaccine, this whole charade/witch hunt is entirely based on emotion, rather than rational thought and scientific fact.

[TropicalGuy]

YES. Don’t Care. Individuals Responsible for Their Health & Societal Status. Laws in place restricting unvaxxed movements. 

[dj230]

Not a really big deal choose not to be unvaccinated in my opinion

 

blows my mind people don’t want to wear a mask though 

 

 

[TropicalGuy]

6 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Some of use need to return to Europe at some point in the future..

Main reason I’m triple western vaxxed. Max protection too. 

[The Hammer2021]

4 minutes ago, TropicalGuy said:

Main reason I’m triple western vaxxed. Max protection too. 

Yes. Two excellent  reasons

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, ThLT said:

According to a study published in The Lancet, one of the most respected scientific journals in the world, vaccines are only around 13% more protective against infection/transmission:

 

What is the vaccine effect on reducing transmission in the context of the SARS-CoV-2 delta variant? - The Lancet Infectious Diseases

 

So whether you are anti or pro-vaccine, this whole charade/witch hunt is entirely based on emotion, rather than rational thought and scientific fact.

 

Actually this small study shows the unvaccinated to be one and a half times more likely to contract Covid than the vaccinated.  There is also the benefit of the breakthrough infections being mild.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Can anyone please explain why vaccinated people, i.e. those who instigate OPs such as this, are concerned about those who exercise their right to not be vaccinated?    How can it possibly affect them?   

 

I'm vaccinated and boostered, I don't give a toss if the person next to me is unvaccinated, that's their concern, not mine, in fact, how would I ever know who else is vaccinated?

Happy to explain.  Being vaccinated lowers your chance of infection and greatly lowers the risk of serious illness and death. 

 

The greater the proportion of vaccinated people in a population the slower the rate of virus propagation, the less stress on the medical system, and the less opportunity the virus has to mutate into something more dangerous.  Having a large portion of the population vaccinated also lowers the risk to people who have medical conditions that preclude vaccination.

 

The greater the proportion of unvaccinated people in a population the faster the rate of virus propagation, the greater the stress on the medical system (often leading to other medical problems being neglected) and the greater the risk of a dangerous mutation of the virus arising.  It also presents a greater risk to people who are old or have conditions making them more susceptible to serious illness once infected, regardless of their vaccination status.

 

Does this explanation help you understand why vaccination is not only good for the individual but for society at large as well?

 

[heybruce]

5 hours ago, BritManToo said:

 

The Omicron variant isn't as dangerous as earlier variants, but it is still far more dangerous than a common cold, especially to the unvaccinated.  That is why Covid death rates are going up and many hospitals around the world are being overwhelmed again.

[The Hammer2021]

12 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You don't need to be vaccinated to return to your home Country 

Well everyone has a different home country so I dont understand your point. The alternative is quarantine I believe.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, The Hammer2021 said:

Well everyone has a different home country so I dont understand your point. The alternative is quarantine I believe.

I am from the U.K and from next week , us unvaccinated people do not have to quarantine anywhere , just need a pre test and a test after two days upon arrival.

I will be going back to the U.K next week 

[ThLT]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

Actually this small study shows the unvaccinated to be one and a half times more likely to contract Covid than the vaccinated. 

The study is right there. Why not support your claim with a quote? ???? Is what you said even in the study? ????