Daily COVID Cases to Rise Further

[webfact]

 

BANGKOK, Feb 10 (TNA) – The prime minister emphasized compliance with COVID Free Setting and Universal Prevention measures as the Public Health Ministry expects daily COVID-19 caseloads to further rise.

 

Government spokesman Thanakorn Wangboonkongchana said Prime Minister Prayut Chan-o-cha urged people and business operators to follow disease control measures including COVID Free Setting and Universal Prevention measures.

 

The compliance would effectively contain the disease everywhere including at department stores, markets, eateries and public transport facilities. The operators of public transport services must not serve food or beverages to passengers during trips, he said.

 

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[smedly]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

The compliance would effectively contain the disease

no it won't

 

you cannot stop the spread of omicron

 

if the people have been vaccinated with at least 2 doses of an effective vaccine they will be protected from serious illness and needing medical care

[rott]

2 hours ago, smedly said:

no it won't

 

 

 

 

But the authorities have just said that it will. 

 

I don't know, some people will argue about anything.

[dinsdale]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

The prime minister emphasized compliance with COVID Free Setting and Universal Prevention measures

Just goes to so the ignorance of these fools.....or does it? Create fear in the people, tell them that Omicron needs to be controlled even though global data is quite clear that it cannot be controlled and they think this will justify a continuance of the State of Emergency. This is purely political not medical or scientific.

[BayArea]

3 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Just goes to so the ignorance of these fools.....or does it? Create fear in the people, tell them that Omicron needs to be controlled even though global data is quite clear that it cannot be controlled and they think this will justify a continuance of the State of Emergency. This is purely political not medical or scientific.

Unfortunately, Fear is a powerful tool especially among the uneducated and ignorant bunch. 

[RandiRona]

I tend to agree with this. Seems two days quarantine isn’t working, can we have 2 test a day with 14 days quarantine in SKREW++ facility??

Edited February 11, 2022 by RandiRona

[huangnon]

22 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Just goes to so the ignorance of these fools.....or does it? Create fear in the people, tell them that Omicron needs to be controlled even though global data is quite clear that it cannot be controlled and they think this will justify a continuance of the State of Emergency. This is purely political not medical or scientific.

He knows what he is doing.. Countries in the West now in the process of removing all restrictions, but Prayut needs his Emergency decree to keep large-scale protests off the streets. I'm betting he will keep this up until the end of this year, until the scheduled election. Most Thais just live in a bubble of their own language barriers and ossified culture, and won't question it even though continued compliance with this BS will cost a lot of them their livelihoods, especially in the tourist sector.

[nattaya09]

 

"The compliance would effectively contain the disease everywhere......"

 

Not testing seems to be the most effective way to "contain" the virus

[smedly]

44 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Just goes to so the ignorance of these fools.....or does it? Create fear in the people, tell them that Omicron needs to be controlled even though global data is quite clear that it cannot be controlled and they think this will justify a continuance of the State of Emergency. This is purely political not medical or scientific.

100% correct IMO

[smedly]

46 minutes ago, rott said:

But the authorities have just said that it will. 

 

I don't know, some people will argue about anything.

and some people just post for the sake of posting feeling they have to say something even though 

[superal]

Not even a full lock down will stop omicron spreading , why ? because the virus not only spreads by way of bodily contact but it is airborne .  As regards smedly statement that 2 vaccines give protection against serious illness etc , that is not the case , especially with the AZ vaccine double jab is concerned . Extract from scientific journal below ,

The UK Health Security Agency, formerly called Public Health England, conducted the small study involving 581 cases of the omicron variant and uploaded the results on December 10. It reported that the level of neutralising antibodies induced by two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine dropped in the presence of an infection by the omicron variant to below the researchers’ minimum detection threshold.

However it carried on to say that a 3rd booster of the pfizer jab did give adequate protection . Finally 2 jabs gave protection / cut infection in the delta virus  but not the omicron . So we cannot generalise the covid virus by covid only , has to be the latest mutation strain by name .

[smedly]

9 minutes ago, superal said:

Not even a full lock down will stop omicron spreading , why ? because the virus not only spreads by way of bodily contact but it is airborne .  As regards smedly statement that 2 vaccines give protection against serious illness etc , that is not the case , especially with the AZ vaccine double jab is concerned . Extract from scientific journal below ,

The UK Health Security Agency, formerly called Public Health England, conducted the small study involving 581 cases of the omicron variant and uploaded the results on December 10. It reported that the level of neutralising antibodies induced by two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine dropped in the presence of an infection by the omicron variant to below the researchers’ minimum detection threshold.

However it carried on to say that a 3rd booster of the pfizer jab did give adequate protection . Finally 2 jabs gave protection / cut infection in the delta virus  but not the omicron . So we cannot generalise the covid virus by covid only , has to be the latest mutation strain by name .

I refer to data regarding hospital admissions and serious illness, there are many factors to consider, in all situations the unvaccinated are considerably worse off especially those considered "at risk"

 

note - I am not disagreeing to what you posted

[Rimmer]

A troll post has been removed

[Virt]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Just goes to so the ignorance of these fools.....or does it? Create fear in the people, tell them that Omicron needs to be controlled even though global data is quite clear that it cannot be controlled and they think this will justify a continuance of the State of Emergency. This is purely political not medical or scientific.

Thai youth are that stupid.

 

In these globalized times they know what is going on in other countries, and in a month or two they will see a Europe/world with no or very few restrictions and start wondering why they still have to deal with restrictions, when it's the same virus they battle.

[mommysboy]

59 minutes ago, superal said:

Not even a full lock down will stop omicron spreading , why ? because the virus not only spreads by way of bodily contact but it is airborne .  As regards smedly statement that 2 vaccines give protection against serious illness etc , that is not the case , especially with the AZ vaccine double jab is concerned . Extract from scientific journal below ,

The UK Health Security Agency, formerly called Public Health England, conducted the small study involving 581 cases of the omicron variant and uploaded the results on December 10. It reported that the level of neutralising antibodies induced by two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine dropped in the presence of an infection by the omicron variant to below the researchers’ minimum detection threshold.

However it carried on to say that a 3rd booster of the pfizer jab did give adequate protection . Finally 2 jabs gave protection / cut infection in the delta virus  but not the omicron . So we cannot generalise the covid virus by covid only , has to be the latest mutation strain by name .

Wrong facts: you are getting confused between protection against symptomatic infection and protection against serious illness.  There is a case for saying that AZ is particularly good at the latter especially for old people who really need it. AZ was indeed a spectacular success. 

 

Read more carefully: so you stop spreading  mis-information.

[mommysboy]

I can't believe that with all the weeks they've had studying what is happening in the UK, the penny hasn't dropped about Omicron being considerably less dangerous, but largely impossible to stop.  Did they really expect only a tiny rise?  Thailand seems really behind the curve when it comes to knowledge acquisition.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, superal said:

Not even a full lock down will stop omicron spreading , why ? because the virus not only spreads by way of bodily contact but it is airborne .  As regards smedly statement that 2 vaccines give protection against serious illness etc , that is not the case , especially with the AZ vaccine double jab is concerned . Extract from scientific journal below ,

The UK Health Security Agency, formerly called Public Health England, conducted the small study involving 581 cases of the omicron variant and uploaded the results on December 10. It reported that the level of neutralising antibodies induced by two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine dropped in the presence of an infection by the omicron variant to below the researchers’ minimum detection threshold.

However it carried on to say that a 3rd booster of the pfizer jab did give adequate protection . Finally 2 jabs gave protection / cut infection in the delta virus  but not the omicron . So we cannot generalise the covid virus by covid only , has to be the latest mutation strain by name .

Here's a more up to date report from the UKHSA on the 27th Jan from their separate reports on:

 

COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report Week 4 27 January 2022  (pdf download link)

 

Two doses of either AstraZeneca (ChAdOx1-S) or Pfizer (BNT162b2) vaccines was associated with a vaccine effectiveness of approximately 25 to 35% against hospitalisation following infection with the Omicron variant, after 25+ weeks. After a Pfizer booster (after either primary vaccination course), vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation started at around 90% dropping to around 75% after 10 to 14 weeks. After a Moderna booster (mRNA-1273) (after either primary vaccination course), vaccine effectiveness against hospitalisation was 90 to 95% up to 9 weeks after vaccination.

 

EDIT

 

This table from their most recent update 10th Feb (table a is Omicron)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports

Edited February 11, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[LosLobo]

5 hours ago, smedly said:

if the people have been vaccinated with at least 2 doses of an effective vaccine they will be protected from serious illness and needing medical care

I suggest that this is no longer the case with Omicron. Two doses and one booster dose is now considered in some parts of the world as being fully vaccinated.

 

Australians will require three Covid vaccine doses to be considered fully vaccinated | Australia news | The Guardian

 

Edited February 11, 2022 by LosLobo

[superal]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

Wrong facts: you are getting confused between protection against symptomatic infection and protection against serious illness.  There is a case for saying that AZ is particularly good at the latter especially for old people who really need it. AZ was indeed a spectacular success. 

 

Read more carefully: so you stop spreading  mis-information.

Please read my post again slowly . I replied to the post from Smedley where he said that any effective 2 vaccines you will be protected from serious illness and needing medical care . It was the case with the delta variant but not against the omicron variant . A third vaccination/ booster is needed . Most of my post was copied from The UK Health Security Agency  and pasted here . You call that misinformation ?

[sawadee1947]

7 hours ago, smedly said:

no it won't

 

you cannot stop the spread of omicron

 

if the people have been vaccinated with at least 2 doses of an effective vaccine they will be protected from serious illness and needing medical care

That's not right.

You have to be vaccinated with two doses of either Biontech or Moderna. PLUS a booster of one of those. The Chinese stuff doesn't protect you could see now. (Olympic Games Beijing) ,????

[pokerface1]

5 hours ago, huangnon said:

Most Thais just live in a bubble of their own language barriers and ossified culture, and won't question it even though continued compliance with

I totally agree. Many also live in a soapy bubble as well glued to their phones instead of opening their eyes to what's happening in the rest of the world.

They are now just doing what they are told to do and comply with all government directives for fear of reprisals. 

[skorp13]

8 hours ago, rott said:

But the authorities have just said that it will. 

 

I don't know, some people will argue about anything.

The authorites have been wrong and or lying

[skorp13]

7 hours ago, nattaya09 said:

 

"The compliance would effectively contain the disease everywhere......"

 

Not testing seems to be the most effective way to "contain" the virus

We have had mandatory lockdowns, shut downs, and forced closures. They didn't stop a thing!

[Broken Record]

8 hours ago, BayArea said:

Unfortunately, Fear is a powerful tool especially among the uneducated and ignorant bunch. 

ThaiVisa members ?

[GroveHillWanderer]

7 hours ago, superal said:

Not even a full lock down will stop omicron spreading , why ? because the virus not only spreads by way of bodily contact but it is airborne .  As regards smedly statement that 2 vaccines give protection against serious illness etc , that is not the case , especially with the AZ vaccine double jab is concerned . Extract from scientific journal below ,

The UK Health Security Agency, formerly called Public Health England, conducted the small study involving 581 cases of the omicron variant and uploaded the results on December 10. It reported that the level of neutralising antibodies induced by two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine dropped in the presence of an infection by the omicron variant to below the researchers’ minimum detection threshold.

No correlates of protection have been established for antibodies. In other words, just because the level of antibodies has dropped, it doesn't necessarily mean you're not protected.

 

For long-term protection against disease, the cellular response is probably more important. 

 

Antibody levels will always start to decline eventually, after the initial increase due to a vaccine (or exposure to a pathogen). If they didn't, your blood would eventually turn into sludge because of an accumulation of the antibodies generated by the repeated exposure to pathogens that humans experience on an ongoing basis.

 

While it hasn't been proven yet, it is thought that viral vector vaccines are better at stimulating a cellular response, whereas mRNA vaccines produce a better humoral (antibody) response.

 

This is discussed in the article below, which states (in part):

 

Quote

It’s possible immune memory with the mRNA vaccines isn’t as strong, and the AstraZeneca vaccine may produce a longer-lasting T cell response that supports more durable immune memory.

Does AstraZeneca’s COVID vaccine give longer-lasting protection than mRNA shots?

[rott]

1 hour ago, skorp13 said:

The authorites have been wrong and or lying

Gosh, the cynicism on here. 

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, skorp13 said:

We have had mandatory lockdowns, shut downs, and forced closures. They didn't stop a thing!

Except that Thailand has been fortunate in not having so many Covid deaths as other countries.

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

No correlates of protection have been established for antibodies. In other words, just because the level of antibodies has dropped, it doesn't necessarily mean you're not protected.

 

For long-term protection against disease, the cellular response is probably more important. 

 

Antibody levels will always start to decline eventually, after the initial increase due to a vaccine (or exposure to a pathogen). If they didn't, your blood would eventually turn into sludge because of an accumulation of the antibodies generated by the repeated exposure to pathogens that humans experience on an ongoing basis.

 

While it hasn't been proven yet, it is thought that viral vector vaccines are better at stimulating a cellular response, whereas mRNA vaccines produce a better humoral (antibody) response.

 

This is discussed in the article below, which states (in part):

 

Does AstraZeneca’s COVID vaccine give longer-lasting protection than mRNA shots?

We may argue about the mechanisms and the details (but we are not scientists or physicians), but the basic fact is that vaccination helps combat Covid. If you are unvaccinated, you are prone to death from Covid.