​​​​​​​Huge 65% Expats say unvaccinated passengers should sit in separate areas on planes

[connda]

18 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Or any random seat, a virus could still be gotten from the airplane seats on a previous flight, or waiting area seat, or taxi, or restaurant.

But probably not.  You've a 1 in 10,000 chance of contracting Covid from fomite contact (surfaces).  But the fear has produced a burgeoning market for hand-gel seeing that the primary market for alcohol distilleries has dried up (pun intended).  Trust the science!  Well, until the science shows there in not much in the way of risk, but the fear does sell a whole lot of alcohol products while Johnney Walker is in low demand while the pubs, bars, and night-time entertainment venues are shuttered. 
Normal hand washing can mitigate most of the risk as opposed to compulsively slathering alcohol gel on yours hands every time you enter or exit a building (car, taxi, bus, room, etc).  And like your mum told you - don't pick your nose or stick you fingers in your eyes.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

 

• A. M. Wilson, M. H. Weir, S. F. Bloomfield, E. A. Scott and K. A. Reynold, “Modeling COVID-19 infection risks for a single hand-to-fomite scenario and potential risk reductions offered by surface disinfection,” American Journal of Infection Control, vol. Article In Press, pp. 1-3, 2020.
• A. P. Harvey, E. R. Fuhrmeister, M. E. Cantrell, A. K. Pitol, S. J. M, J. E. Powers, M. L. Nadimpalli, T. R. Julian and A. J. Pickering, “Longitudinal monitoring of SARS-CoV-2 RNA on high-touch surfaces in a community setting,” Environmental Science & Technology Letters, pp. 168-175, 2020.
• A. K. Pitol and T. R. Julian, “Community transmission of SARS-CoV-2 by fomites: Risks and risk reduction strategies,” Environmental Science and Technology Letters, 2020.

 

[Blumpie]

Why does this matter?  Unvaccinated people against COVID 19 aren't allowed on planes.  

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, connda said:

But probably not.  You've a 1 in 10,000 chance of contracting Covid from fomite contact (surfaces).  But the fear has produced a burgeoning market for hand-gel seeing that the primary market for alcohol distilleries has dried up (pun intended).  Trust the science!  Well, until the science shows there in not much in the way of risk, but the fear does sell a whole lot of alcohol products while Johnney Walker is in low demand while the pubs, bars, and night-time entertainment venues are shuttered. 
Normal hand washing can mitigate most of the risk as opposed to compulsively slathering alcohol gel on yours hands every time you enter or exit a building (car, taxi, bus, room, etc).  And like your mum told you - don't pick your nose or stick you fingers in your eyes.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/science-and-research/surface-transmission.html

 

• A. M. Wilson, M. H. Weir, S. F. Bloomfield, E. A. Scott and K. A. Reynold, “Modeling COVID-19 infection risks for a single hand-to-fomite scenario and potential risk reductions offered by surface disinfection,” American Journal of Infection Control, vol. Article In Press, pp. 1-3, 2020.
• A. P. Harvey, E. R. Fuhrmeister, M. E. Cantrell, A. K. Pitol, S. J. M, J. E. Powers, M. L. Nadimpalli, T. R. Julian and A. J. Pickering, “Longitudinal monitoring of SARS-CoV-2 RNA on high-touch surfaces in a community setting,” Environmental Science & Technology Letters, pp. 168-175, 2020.
• A. K. Pitol and T. R. Julian, “Community transmission of SARS-CoV-2 by fomites: Risks and risk reduction strategies,” Environmental Science and Technology Letters, 2020.

 

Actually, washing your hands with soap and water is more effective than an alcohol based sanitizer.

 

Soap vs. Hand Sanitizer
In a pinch, hand sanitizer can disinfect if it’s at least 60% alcohol.

But hands down, soap and water is the most effective way to remove chemicals and all kinds of germs, including the novel coronavirus, infectious disease experts say.

https://www.ucihealth.org/blog/2020/04/soap-vs-sanitizer#:~:text=Hand Sanitizer,-April 23%2C 2020&text=In a pinch%2C hand sanitizer,coronavirus%2C infectious disease experts say.

[onthedarkside]

17 hours ago, placeholder said:

Actually, washing your hands with soap and water is more effective than an alcohol based sanitizer.

 

Soap vs. Hand Sanitizer
In a pinch, hand sanitizer can disinfect if it’s at least 60% alcohol.

But hands down, soap and water is the most effective way to remove chemicals and all kinds of germs, including the novel coronavirus, infectious disease experts say.

https://www.ucihealth.org/blog/2020/04/soap-vs-sanitizer#:~:text=Hand Sanitizer,-April 23%2C 2020&text=In a pinch%2C hand sanitizer,coronavirus%2C infectious disease experts say.

 

It remains good public health advice to regularly wash your hands with soap and water as a means of preventing various potential illnesses. And then to use the alcohol gels when you don't have access to soap and water.

 

But, the whole "catch COVID from surfaces" and "alcohol gel" thing seems to have been much overdone here in Thailand. The risk of contracting COVID is VASTLY higher from respiratory contact than from surfaces. But the authorities here seem to spend an inordinate amount of focus on surfaces, and far less on social distancing that would lessen respiratory contact.

 

That's not bad science or bad public health. But it is a case of government policies and focus not keeping up with the ongoing knowledge and understanding that's emerged during the pandemic.

 

[Scott]

Omicron appears to be able to survive better and longer than other variants on surfaces.  This is probably not the best time to give up the hand washing and gel.

 

Omicron Survives Longer on Plastic, Skin Than Other COVID Variants

Jan. 25, 2022 -- Japanese researchers say the Omicron variant survives longer on plastic and skin than other COVID-19 variants, one possible explanation for why Omicron has spread so rapidly around the world.

 

In a lab experiment, samples of different variants were applied to pieces of plastic and human skin collected from autopsies, researchers from Kyoto Prefectural University of Medicine wrote in bioRxiv. A variant “survived” until it could no longer be detected on the surface.

 

“This study showed that the Omicron variant also has the highest environmental stability among VOCs (variants of concern), which suggests that this high stability might also be one of the factors that have allowed the Omicron variant to replace the Delta variant and spread rapidly,” the researchers wrote.

 

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220125/omicron-survives-longer-plastic-skin-than-other-covid-variants

[meechai]

On 2/15/2022 at 4:40 PM, webfact said:

65% of Expats in Thailand say unvaccinated passengers should sit in separate areas on aeroplanes

#1 most expats in Thailand cannot afford Health Insurance so they may be covid-shy

 

#2 Ask them if all beer manufacturers in Thailand should close if not vaccinated?

 

#3 Ask them if all working girls should not work if not vaccinated

 

I think your results will show an opposite opinion

[Scott]

A troll post has been reported and removed.

 

[rabang]

I would be willing to pay extra for travelling in a plane with pre-covid measures, ie. no masks or other restrictions.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, rabang said:

I would be willing to pay extra for travelling in a plane with pre-covid measures, ie. no masks or other restrictions.

private jet charter, charter, bangkok

https://www.advanceaviation.co.th/private-jet-charter/

[Scott]

False or misleading post and replies removed.  

 

[scorecard]

On 2/16/2022 at 1:37 PM, poskat said:

not a surprising result considering that most of the participants likely fall into the old/fat/comorbidity group who are likely to die if they got infected.

Wow, what a sweet and balanced person you are.

[scorecard]

On 2/18/2022 at 10:19 AM, rabang said:

I would be willing to pay extra for travelling in a plane with pre-covid measures, ie. no masks or other restrictions.

That would be good, separate you away from folks who are realistic about Covid- 19, it's serious health dangers and taking sensible precautions.

[rabang]

On 2/20/2022 at 8:19 AM, scorecard said:

That would be good, separate you away from folks who are realistic about Covid- 19, it's serious health dangers and taking sensible precautions.

You are personally welcome to continue with your sensible precautions for the rest of your life but do not expect others to follow you.

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, rabang said:

You are personally welcome to continue with your sensible precautions for the rest of your life but do not expect others to follow you.

Others can do as they like. I suspect there's plenty of folks who have concerns about this item and alwyas take appropriate precautions. Just ask a few who have had loved ones die from Covid- 19. How long people need to be cautious is a piece of string. Seems that Omicron penetration is reducing and so far no new variant has emerged (that i've noticed) so perhaps soon the need to be super cautious will dimish further.  

Edited February 22, 2022 by scorecard

[Guitar God]

On 2/16/2022 at 5:43 PM, xtrnuno41 said:

And still we continu with separation bs, it doesnt matter. Vaccination is only for yourself, so you dont get real sick and up in hospital.

And even if you are vaccinated , you can end up in hospital. You still can get covid, you can be a carrier.

A QR vaccination code also doesnt prevent anything.

The covid virus is now used for indoctrination of all people, to make lots of them sick, berserk in mind. 

I did 2 shots , only for myself, to protect me. Now they say you need booster, they dont even know when it should be given.

6 Months after shots or earlier or, well they dont know. Israel is already on shot nr 4.

In other countries they are not even on shot nr 1.

 

Beside all , now they already have and develop medicine for it, so what is the big deal?

Guess that one will only be used for people with money for now. 

The vaccine business is thriving for just 2 companies to get filthy rich.

There is no really fighting covid to save people, it is just business. Money. 

Firstly, unvaccinated people are more likely to infect others. They're more likely to become infected, more likely to be symptomatic and have a higher viral load.
Secondly, people who avoid being vaccinated during a pandemic are much more likely to engage in behavior that makes them more likely to become infected in the first place.

A lot of people opposed to vaccines are also opposed to masks, social distancing, contact tracing, temperature testing, hand sanitation etc.
At the extreme end of the group of  unvaccinated there are people who think the virus is a hoax or it's harmless so they go about their life in denial and take no precautions whatsoever.

Would you have unprotected sex with someone who said they never use condoms because they don't think healthy people can get STDs/SOA's and that AIDS only effects drug addicts and gay men? That would be a huge red flag for me, just like the only person on the plane who refuses to wear a mask or isn't vaccinated.

[xtrnuno41]

19 hours ago, Guitar God said:

Firstly, unvaccinated people are more likely to infect others. They're more likely to become infected, more likely to be symptomatic and have a higher viral load.
Secondly, people who avoid being vaccinated during a pandemic are much more likely to engage in behavior that makes them more likely to become infected in the first place.

A lot of people opposed to vaccines are also opposed to masks, social distancing, contact tracing, temperature testing, hand sanitation etc.
At the extreme end of the group of  unvaccinated there are people who think the virus is a hoax or it's harmless so they go about their life in denial and take no precautions whatsoever.

Would you have unprotected sex with someone who said they never use condoms because they don't think healthy people can get STDs/SOA's and that AIDS only effects drug addicts and gay men? That would be a huge red flag for me, just like the only person on the plane who refuses to wear a mask or isn't vaccinated.

If you are infected with the virus, you are a carrier and can spread the virus. It doesnt matter if you are vaccinated or not.

A vaccination only protects you when you become infected with the virus, And even those people can end up in hospital.

 

The virus doesnt make a choice,  you are vaccinated or not. It just enters your body no matter what.

If you arent vaccinated, you could end up in the horrible effect of the virus. Vaccination only helps you to get symptoms down and you could survive the attack. However you also can still get sick, being hospitalized and maybe die on covid, depending on how your body reacts.

 

Yeah there are people who deny the virus. Also are against vaccination. Also people just too late to have vaccine.

There are even doctors who think it is not responsible to give covid vaccinations.

 

 

For masks, in the beginning of covid, my government said, mouth caps were BS.

However there was a demand for hospital personnel to send mouth caps. As there was a shortage.

But the population didnt have to wear it.

And then later in time, it changed, we need to do it and again later we need a specific one.

 

Edited February 23, 2022 by onthedarkside
misinfo, off-topic and unsourced info removed

[gunner1]

this would be next to impossible to do for the Airlines. requiring them to have gell and wear a mask is about all you could do and still allow them to fly. remember how kovid is spread, you can google that if you want.