Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Rimmer said:

By having these tanks in their arsenal, the Ukrainian Army can more effectively discourage aggressive actions.

I wasn't aware that the Russians are taking aggressive actions. I thought they were dug in in well prepared positions and likely they have depleted uranium shells ready for the Abrams. They've had a long time to prepare.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't aware that the Russians are taking aggressive actions. I thought they were dug in in well prepared positions and likely they have depleted uranium shells ready for the Abrams. They've had a long time to prepare.

So you thought Russia was in defense mode only? Doesn't seem to be much you are aware of in this war.

[stevenl]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't aware that the Russians are taking aggressive actions. I thought they were dug in in well prepared positions and likely they have depleted uranium shells ready for the Abrams. They've had a long time to prepare.

Because they're being discouraged. Time for the Ukrainians to break through.

[ExpatOilWorker]

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't aware that the Russians are taking aggressive actions. I thought they were dug in in well prepared positions and likely they have depleted uranium shells ready for the Abrams. They've had a long time to prepare.

The Russians are counter attacking all the time, even quickly attacking the Ukrainians after a breakthrough, to prevent them from fortify their newly gained positions. 

The Russians are also attacking up north, to tie down Ukrainian defense forces.

[kwonitoy]

Some invaders shells, ready for use

Shipping empty ammunition to the front line

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/16tggbt/russian_soldier_wishing_death_upon_factory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

9 hours ago, kwonitoy said:

Some invaders shells, ready for use

Shipping empty ammunition to the front line

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/16tggbt/russian_soldier_wishing_death_upon_factory/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

 

 

Talk about shipping, the Ukrainians  ???????? have it figured out.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/27/2023 at 1:58 PM, ExpatOilWorker said:

The Russians are counter attacking all the time, even quickly attacking the Ukrainians after a breakthrough, to prevent them from fortify their newly gained positions. 

The Russians are also attacking up north, to tie down Ukrainian defense forces.

That would not, IMO, qualify as an "aggressive action". That's just normal defensive actions to prevent a small breakthrough becoming a channel to allow enemy troops to envelop the front line.

 

Aggressive actions are what the Ukrainian "counteroffensive" was supposed to be, but seems to have become stalemate. Only a few villages captured does not represent a "breakthrough" IMO.

Winter is coming, and with it the likely end of any Ukrainian offensive actions and allowing the Russians to get even more entrenched.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/27/2023 at 1:27 PM, stevenl said:

Because they're being discouraged. Time for the Ukrainians to break through.

Get back to us when the Ukrainians do "breakthrough". Winter is coming.

[tgw]

so what is everyone's opinion about Schrödinger's Ruzzian Admiral Sokholov ?

 

depending on who you believe, he's either dead, alive, or neither dead nor alive (Ruzzian TV)

[jvs]

25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That would not, IMO, qualify as an "aggressive action". That's just normal defensive actions to prevent a small breakthrough becoming a channel to allow enemy troops to envelop the front line.

 

Aggressive actions are what the Ukrainian "counteroffensive" was supposed to be, but seems to have become stalemate. Only a few villages captured does not represent a "breakthrough" IMO.

Winter is coming, and with it the likely end of any Ukrainian offensive actions and allowing the Russians to get even more entrenched.

You must be so happy!

 

[rabas]

5 hours ago, tgw said:

so what is everyone's opinion about Schrödinger's Ruzzian Admiral Sokholov ?

 

depending on who you believe, he's either dead, alive, or neither dead nor alive (Ruzzian TV)

On opening Schrödinger's box, the live and dead cats collapsed to FSB agents making fake videos from earlier recordings.

 

Here is yesterday's, of an award ceremony at the HQ from before its destruction mysteriously filmed both before and after.

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That would not, IMO, qualify as an "aggressive action". That's just normal defensive actions to prevent a small breakthrough becoming a channel to allow enemy troops to envelop the front line.

 

Aggressive actions are what the Ukrainian "counteroffensive" was supposed to be, but seems to have become stalemate. Only a few villages captured does not represent a "breakthrough" IMO.

Winter is coming, and with it the likely end of any Ukrainian offensive actions and allowing the Russians to get even more entrenched.

Here is one such Russian attack.

https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1707277690535837818?s=20

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Here is one such Russian attack.

https://x.com/djuric_zlatko/status/1707277690535837818?s=20

Thanks for posting that, but it supports what I said which is that it's not a large scale "aggressive action", but rather a small scale counter attack, as in this bit from the article. NB the word I bolded.

Quote

"The airborne guards of the 247th Regiment have initiated a counterattack, driving the enemy out of several key positions and seizing the initiative".

Unquote

 

BTW, it would have been helpful to have had a date on that.

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Thanks for posting that, but it supports what I said which is that it's not a large scale "aggressive action", but rather a small scale counter attack, as in this bit from the article. NB the word I bolded.

Quote

"The airborne guards of the 247th Regiment have initiated a counterattack, driving the enemy out of several key positions and seizing the initiative".

Unquote

 

BTW, it would have been helpful to have had a date on that.

 

Russia is activating along the Kreminna axis, launching large numbers of airstrikes and preparing for an offensive.

 

[Bkk Brian]

UK troops heading to Ukraine (training the Ukrainians) and the Royal Navy heading to the Black Sea to offer support. Great news, we need more countries matching this.

 

Grant Shapps to ramp up support for Volodymyr Zelensky

Grant Shapps said that he had held talks with Army leaders about moving “more training and production” of military equipment into Ukraine. He also called on more British defence firms to set up factories in Ukraine.
Following a trip to Kyiv last week, Mr Shapps also reveals that he has talked to Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, about how Britain’s Navy could play a role in defending commercial vessels from Russian attacks in the Black Sea.
Both moves would mark a significant escalation in the UK’s involvement in defending Ukraine against Vladimir Putin’s onslaught. Speaking in his first newspaper interview as Defence Secretary, Mr Shapps also:

https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/30/grant-shapps-to-send-uk-troops-to-ukraine/

https://archive.ph/dDtCB

 

Also in the Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12579457/grant-shapps-british-troops-ukraine-deliver-training-kyiv.html

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/29/2023 at 12:38 PM, ExpatOilWorker said:

Russia is activating along the Kreminna axis, launching large numbers of airstrikes and preparing for an offensive.

 

OR, they could be trying to deter the Ukrainian last attempt to break through before winter.

[Mavideol]

41 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

UK troops heading to Ukraine (training the Ukrainians) and the Royal Navy heading to the Black Sea to offer support. Great news, we need more countries matching this.

 

Grant Shapps to ramp up support for Volodymyr Zelensky

Grant Shapps said that he had held talks with Army leaders about moving “more training and production” of military equipment into Ukraine. He also called on more British defence firms to set up factories in Ukraine.
Following a trip to Kyiv last week, Mr Shapps also reveals that he has talked to Volodymyr Zelensky, the Ukrainian president, about how Britain’s Navy could play a role in defending commercial vessels from Russian attacks in the Black Sea.
Both moves would mark a significant escalation in the UK’s involvement in defending Ukraine against Vladimir Putin’s onslaught. Speaking in his first newspaper interview as Defence Secretary, Mr Shapps also:

https://telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/09/30/grant-shapps-to-send-uk-troops-to-ukraine/

https://archive.ph/dDtCB

 

Also in the Daily Mail:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12579457/grant-shapps-british-troops-ukraine-deliver-training-kyiv.html

the US and the rest of Europe should follow UK steps and kick the Orcs out of Ukraine before winter sets in

[Mavideol]

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

the US and the rest of Europe should follow UK steps and kick the Orcs out of Ukraine before winter sets in

it appears the usual Russian lover his sad about it  555

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

OR, they could be trying to deter the Ukrainian last attempt to break through before winter.

OR, you are just parroting Kremlin propaganda, and Russia wants to grab (a lot) more Ukrainian soil:

https://kyivindependent.com/medvedev-russia-will-take-more-regions-of-ukraine/

 

In a Telegram message commemorating one year since Russia's illegal annexation of four Ukrainian regions, Medvedev said "there will be more new regions within Russia."

Medvedev claimed Russia's war will continue until the Ukrainian government is "completely destroyed" and the "original Russian territories are liberated from the enemy."
 

So it looks like Russia is not just trying to defend occupied territory, but they have their eye on much more.

 

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

and the "original Russian territories are liberated from the enemy."

it appears the other 14 countries who split from the USSR, back in 1991,  should be worried as well

 

1. Armenia
2. Azerbaijan
3. Belarus
4. Estonia
5. Georgia
6. Kazakhstan
7. Kyrgyzstan
8. Latvia
9. Lithuania
10. Moldova
11. Russia
12. Tajikistan
13. Turkmenistan
14. Ukraine
15. Uzbekistan

The above are the 15 countries that were formerly under the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union was officially dissolved on 31st December 1991.

 

 

[tgw]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

OR, you are just parroting Kremlin propaganda, and Russia wants to grab (a lot) more Ukrainian soil:

https://kyivindependent.com/medvedev-russia-will-take-more-regions-of-ukraine/

 

In a Telegram message commemorating one year since Russia's illegal annexation of four Ukrainian regions, Medvedev said "there will be more new regions within Russia."

Medvedev claimed Russia's war will continue until the Ukrainian government is "completely destroyed" and the "original Russian territories are liberated from the enemy."
 

So it looks like Russia is not just trying to defend occupied territory, but they have their eye on much more.

 

well, considering they hold only about 50% of the territories they "annexed", they might want to fully control what they claim to have first. lol.
 

[Mavideol]

the good news (for some of us) keep coming..... maybe bad news for the Russia lover as he has another opportunity for the sad emoji, come on man, don't disappoint me   555

Putin’s casualties near 250 in a day as Russian ammunition depots blown up in southern Ukraine

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-casualties-near-250-day-073312580.html

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

33 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

the good news (for some of us) keep coming..... maybe bad news for the Russia lover as he has another opportunity for the sad emoji, come on man, don't disappoint me   555

Putin’s casualties near 250 in a day as Russian ammunition depots blown up in southern Ukraine

https://au.yahoo.com/news/putin-casualties-near-250-day-073312580.html

 

There is a lot of hard fighting ahead for Ukraine. AFU assault unit's biggest problems are waves of RuAF FPV drones attacking infantry assault groups in daylight.

 

[rudi49jr]

Eat your heart out, Russia! EU foreign ministers to gather in Ukraine. I’m sure that Dmitri Medvedev and some pundits on RT are going to scream that this is bringing WW3 closer and that these ministers will be a legitimate target for a Russian attack. I would almost say, please give the EU/NATO an excuse to get involved.
 

 

[impulse]

5 hours ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

However it's also worth noting that the Vietnamese were fighting on their own home soil and in defence of it whereas the Russians are fighting to maintain their foothold in a foreign country that they've invaded.

 

That's a big difference in motivation.

The 4 oblasts and Crimea have always been largely Russky ethnically.  2 separate western surveys were conducted in Crimea after the annexation, where the vast majority of residents indicated they want to stay with Russia. 

 

I doubt the west will conduct such surveys in the 4 oblasts, because they didn't like the answer last time.

 

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

The 4 oblasts and Crimea have always been largely Russky ethnically.  2 separate western surveys were conducted in Crimea after the annexation, where the vast majority of residents indicated they want to stay with Russia. 

 

I doubt the west will conduct such surveys in the 4 oblasts, because they didn't like the answer last time.

 

Care to provide links to those surveys?

[rabas]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

The 4 oblasts and Crimea have always been largely Russky ethnically.  2 separate western surveys were conducted in Crimea after the annexation, where the vast majority of residents indicated they want to stay with Russia. 

 

I doubt the west will conduct such surveys in the 4 oblasts, because they didn't like the answer last time.

 

The West would not hold a referendum at gunpoint. Referendum by gun usually favors those holding guns. As if Putin or the Soviets ever told the truth anyway.

 

During the referendum Russian soldiers (who weren't there) took over public buildings and Ukrainian military installations. Um, who should I vote for?

 

More:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Crimean_status_referendum

[Rimmer]

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[Mavideol]

Ukraine-Russia war – live: Putin’s Black Sea fleet ‘struggling with threats on southern front’

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-live-children-063759755.html

 

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, impulse said:

The 4 oblasts and Crimea have always been largely Russky ethnically.  2 separate western surveys were conducted in Crimea after the annexation, where the vast majority of residents indicated they want to stay with Russia. 

 

I doubt the west will conduct such surveys in the 4 oblasts, because they didn't like the answer last time.

 

The joy of repeating Kremlin propaganda..