Electric Vehicles in Thailand

[Pib]

16 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Translation error?

Apart from busses, not a single EV is made in Thailand yet, right?

Neta recently opened its Thailand EV factory.  

https://carnewschina.com/2023/11/30/netas-first-overseas-plant-starts-production-in-thailand/

https://www.autoworldjournal.com/neta-auto-opens-first-thailand-ev-factory/

 

[Yellowtail]

14 minutes ago, Pib said:

Neta recently opened its Thailand EV factory.  

https://carnewschina.com/2023/11/30/netas-first-overseas-plant-starts-production-in-thailand/

https://www.autoworldjournal.com/neta-auto-opens-first-thailand-ev-factory/

 

80 a day is something, but it sounds like a just a knock-down reassembly plant. 

[KhunLA]

44 minutes ago, Pib said:

Neta recently opened its Thailand EV factory.  

https://carnewschina.com/2023/11/30/netas-first-overseas-plant-starts-production-in-thailand/

https://www.autoworldjournal.com/neta-auto-opens-first-thailand-ev-factory/

 

He's EOW is a bit uninformed;

,,, Ora Good Cat EV model is built under China’s Great Wall Motor Co (GWM) auto brand but all of its parts are domestically made, in TH.

... FOMM ONE is a small 4-seater EV developed by FOMM that meets the light vehicle standard. Manufacturing takes place in Thailand.

,,, Energy Absolute (EA) has launched Thailand’s first electric mini truck, aiming to help businesses reduce transport costs,  the MT30 

,,, another low spec'd truck is made in Bangkok, though I forget the name

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Pib said:

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/ev-motor-show-2024/

Updated: April 8, 2024

What does the 32.78% reservation for electric cars in Motor Show 2024 reflect?

 

ByPholpat Salayakanond

 

 

Mr. Kritsada Uttamote, President of the Thai Electric Vehicle Association, said that the number of electric vehicle reservations at the 45th Bangkok International Motor Show or Motor Show 2024 ( Motor Show 2024 ) totaled more than 17,517 units, or equivalent to 32.78% of total reservations at the event reflect consumer response. From the brands that sell electric cars and the number of models increasing Every 3 cars reserved at the event will be 1 electric car.

This is despite the fact that the number of such reservations is high. But collecting reservation data and reporting it to the organizers of each company There are differences, for example, some collect reservation data from all over the country for the reason that they use the same campaign as the Motor Show, while some collect reservation data only for the event to assess the worthiness of investing in attending the event. Therefore, it is necessary to keep an eye on the registration numbers for April, which will reflect the success of the bookings that have been made.

As for the number of electric vehicle registrations in the first 3 months of 2024 (January - March), there are approximately 22,000 registered vehicles. For the whole year, it is seen that the electric vehicle market in Thailand will definitely be at the level of hundreds of thousands of vehicles. From last year, it was approximately 76,000 cars, due to the fact that many electric car manufacturers have begun to assemble within the country.

Read related news: Summary of car reservations at the 45th Motor Show 2024 (25 Mar. - 7 Apr. '22): Total 53,438 cars (+24.6%).

At the same time, the price competition that occurs especially at motor shows is a matter for each car manufacturer to set prices and campaigns independently. Thai Electric Vehicle Association Unable to control this part. But what, as the Association's Prime Minister, I am concerned about is that price competition that is too intense until it becomes a price war will affect the overall market throughout the supply chain.

“NORMALLY, THE LAUNCH OF A NEW MODEL INCREASES THE PRICE OF THE PREVIOUS MODEL. BUT IN THIS PRICE WAR SITUATION, THERE HAS BEEN A REDUCTION, AFFECTING CONSUMERS WHO MAKE PURCHASING DECISIONS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT PRICE REDUCTIONS. INCLUDING AFFECTING THE PRICE OF THE USED CAR MARKET FOR BOTH BUYERS AND SELLERS AS WELL. THEREFORE, WE THINK THAT PRICING SHOULD BE STABLE.”

However, in principle there should be a federation of Chinese car manufacturers. To act as a mediator for discussions not only in preventing price wars but also as a mediator in coordinating with the government sector. and various documents related to investment

When the reporter asked about the case of a Chinese electric car manufacturer being considered a zero-dollar tour that came to do business in Thailand, Mr. Kritsada said that first of all, we must understand that a zero-dollar tour means tourism that the company Chinese tours bring in tourists. And then take them to buy goods and services from Chinese investors only, which does not create benefits for Thailand. It is different from the automotive industry where those doing business must invest in purchasing land to set up a factory. and will have to construct a factory Including paying taxes and must be employed This is impossible for only Chinese people.

 

 

I am not aware of any industry from Cars, mobile Phones TV's where

“NORMALLY, THE LAUNCH OF A NEW MODEL INCREASES THE PRICE OF THE PREVIOUS MODEL.

In fact its the complete opposite where manufacturer will discount their old  inventory to clear their old stock

BYD for example discounts of up to B250,000 on 2023 models.

The only other option manufacturers have to avoid discounting old inventory is simple produce less

Problem for BEV only  manufacturer's they have no choice to produce less where other

manufacturer's if they see BEV not selling well they can scale back their EV production lines and switch to Hybrid, diesel or petrol which ever is selling well in the market place

[ignis]

2 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Translation error?

Apart from busses, not a single EV is made in Thailand yet, right?

I think wrong

 

Great Wall Motors acquired the plant from General Motors in 2020  GWM  make Hybrid and Full electric motors there, the Oro Cat rolled off the line in Jan full EV I remember is was in the News

 

Believe the BYD Thailand production line is near ready 150,000 cars per years EV's and Hybrids 

[ExpatOilWorker]

1 hour ago, ignis said:

I think wrong

 

Great Wall Motors acquired the plant from General Motors in 2020  GWM  make Hybrid and Full electric motors there, the Oro Cat rolled off the line in Jan full EV I remember is was in the News

 

Believe the BYD Thailand production line is near ready 150,000 cars per years EV's and Hybrids 

You are right. It is all happening so fast.

100% electric cars in Thailand are

Mercedes-Benz,

GWM,

MG,

NETA,

Honda.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/ora-good-cat-ora-good-cat-gt-ev-thailand-production/

[ExpatOilWorker]

17 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Yeap...they are out.   BYD booked the 2nd highest number...Toyota was 1st....Honda 3rd. 

Now that the dust has settled for the motorshow registration numbers and it is clear that EVs did well, then why was Tesla not there?

Is Tesla afraid to compete directly with the new Chinese brands on price and showmanship?

 

Also, are we really going to see 140 of these contraptions on Thai roads?

Add an "r" to BOMA and you have a joke in Spanish.

Lastly, Firebright might not be the best name for a Chinese EV. They are kind of setting themselves up for trouble down the road, so to speak. 

 

[Pib]

6 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Now that the dust has settled for the motorshow registration numbers and it is clear that EVs did well, then why was Tesla not there?

Is Tesla afraid to compete directly with the new Chinese brands on price and showmanship?

 

From some googling this morning I get the impression motor shows are a small part of Telsa's marketing plan....along with avoid "paid" advertising.  Apparently it's common for Tesla  to skip many of the biggest auto shows worldwide...selective in what exhibitions they participate in.

Tesla Marketing Strategy 2024: A Case Study | Simplilearn

An In-Depth Look at Tesla’s Marketing Strategy

Tesla absent from China’s largest annual auto show - Global Times

 

 

 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

BYD will start domestic production in Q3: https://electrek.co/2024/03/29/byd-kick-off-ev-production-new-thailand-plant-q3

 

BYD is rapidly ramping up its EV production capacity in Southeast Asia as a leaked image shows trial production of a right-hand drive Atto 3 at the company’s new factory in Thailand.

 

[Pib]

6 hours ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Also, are we really going to see 140 of these contraptions on Thai roads?

Add an "r" to BOMA and you have a joke in Spanish.

 

 

Not my cup of tea....just way too small for me....plus, I still haven't warmed-up to vehicles with a HUGE grille like the HiSo Toyota Alphard has...a van I think is ugly when viewed from the front.   The BOMA looks a lot like a mini-me Alphard on the outside....I expect that "copy-cat" look was the plan from the get-go.

 

However, if just wanting transportation for short trips like going back to work in the city, can squeeze thru the narrowest soi, park in postal stamp sized parking spaces, etc., a BOMA may just fit the bill for certain groups.   Here in the Bangkok metro region I see all types of small vehicles and LOTS of them...mostly ICEV....with more small EV appearing all the time.   

 

Maybe folks with a Toyota Alphard should replace its spare tire with a BOMA?   Just be sure to remember to check/top-up the BOMA battery every six months or so...which just replaces the routine of checking/topping-up the spare tire pressure every six months.  😉

 

https://paultan.org/2024/04/02/bangkok-2024-honri-boma-ev-mini-alphard/

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

BYD will start domestic production in Q3: https://electrek.co/2024/03/29/byd-kick-off-ev-production-new-thailand-plant-q3

 

BYD is rapidly ramping up its EV production capacity in Southeast Asia as a leaked image shows trial production of a right-hand drive Atto 3 at the company’s new factory in Thailand.

 

 

I am worried about you, is everything ok?  You're starting to post reasonable things.

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, Pib said:

From some googling this morning I get the impression motor shows are a small part of Telsa's marketing plan....along with avoid "paid" advertising.  Apparently it's common for Tesla  to skip many of the biggest auto shows worldwide...selective in what exhibitions they participate in.

Tesla Marketing Strategy 2024: A Case Study | Simplilearn

An In-Depth Look at Tesla’s Marketing Strategy

Tesla absent from China’s largest annual auto show - Global Times

 

I was disappointed they were not there. 

[KhunLA]

26 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

Not my cup of tea....just way too small for me....plus, I still haven't warmed-up to vehicles with a HUGE grille like the HiSo Toyota Alphard has...a van I think is ugly when viewed from the front.   The BOMA looks a lot like a mini-me Alphard on the outside....I expect that "copy-cat" look was the plan from the get-go.

 

However, if just wanting transportation for short trips like going back to work in the city, can squeeze thru the narrowest soi, park in postal stamp sized parking spaces, etc., a BOMA may just fit the bill for certain groups.   Here in the Bangkok metro region I see all types of small vehicles and LOTS of them...mostly ICEV....with more small EV appearing all the time.   

 

Maybe folks with a Toyota Alphard should replace its spare tire with a BOMA?   Just be sure to remember to check/top-up the BOMA battery every six months or so...which just replaces the routine of checking/topping-up the spare tire pressure every six months.  😉

 

https://paultan.org/2024/04/02/bangkok-2024-honri-boma-ev-mini-alphard/

Not a fan myself of those big grills, that's just ugly.   Looked at Denza D9 (online), ugly as all hell, front grill, but does have a 103kWh battery pack 👍

 

[Pib]

Yea....big, huge grilles serve as a "prestige" badge for some....maybe they feel it screams wealth.  But that's OK, everyone has different preferences as to how some product looks.   One thing for sure though, when it's a silver grille and the sun hits it just right it can look like a laser beam being directed right at you.   

[Alotoftravel]

1 hour ago, Pib said:

From some googling this morning I get the impression motor shows are a small part of Telsa's marketing plan....along with avoid "paid" advertising.  Apparently it's common for Tesla  to skip many of the biggest auto shows worldwide...selective in what exhibitions they participate in.

Tesla Marketing Strategy 2024: A Case Study | Simplilearn

An In-Depth Look at Tesla’s Marketing Strategy

Tesla absent from China’s largest annual auto show - Global Times

 

 

 

 

 

To add to Pib's note, Tesla do not have distributors too. Luckily for Tesla, I understand from Youtuber Electric Viking that in China currently, about 20% of the distributors are making money. China is going through a rough time in the automobile sector. 

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, Pib said:

Yea....big, huge grilles serve as a "prestige" badge for some....maybe they feel it screams wealth.  But that's OK, everyone has different preferences as to how some product looks.   One thing for sure though, when it's a silver grille and the sun hits it just right it can look like a laser beam being directed right at you.   

Or maybe they just thing they look good and want to sell them. Nothing new, and it seems all the pickups and SUVs have been going back that way again. 

 

 

[transam]

31 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Not a fan myself of those big grills, that's just ugly.   Looked at Denza D9 (online), ugly as all hell, front grill, but does have a 103kWh battery pack 👍

 

Yes, looks awful, a bit like the Maxus pickup with MG bling, ridiculous..

 

[KhunLA]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, looks awful, a bit like the Maxus pickup with MG bling, ridiculous..

 

Is that a new EV ... or you just doing your usual anti CH & MG trolling ...

... no need to answer 

[Yellowtail]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, looks awful, a bit like the Maxus pickup with MG bling, ridiculous..

 

The big grill adds even more "prestige" and pays homage to the esteemed MG badge. 

[transam]

Just now, Yellowtail said:

The big grill adds even more "prestige" and pays homage to the esteemed MG badge. 

John Morris is banging on his box lid over it............😂

[ignis]

back in the 1950's  cars with big grills were called Glamorous Grilles

[macahoom]

24 minutes ago, transam said:

John Morris is banging on his box lid over it............😂

 

Who is John Morris?

 

Do you mean William Morris?

[transam]

25 minutes ago, macahoom said:

 

Who is John Morris?

 

Do you mean William Morris?

Sorry yes, William Morris, I had John Cooper in my head....🤗

[marino28]

https://electrek.co/2024/04/08/byd-launch-next-gen-ev-battery-more-range-lower-price/

 

this one is a game changer. 
if really in the near future the range go up do 1000km and the price will be even more cheap than now. I think I will buy one ev.

 

 

[JBChiangRai]

33 minutes ago, transam said:

Sorry yes, William Morris, I had John Cooper in my head....🤗

 

I am sure there is lots of empty space up there 

[transam]

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I am sure there is lots of empty space up there 

Yes, William probably has..........R.I.P....😔

[KhunLA]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

The big grill adds even more "prestige" and pays homage to the esteemed MG badge. 

Yes ... 80 yes of failure under ...

 

 

Now 20 yrs of success & profits, under ... 

 

[ExpatOilWorker]

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I am worried about you, is everything ok?  You're starting to post reasonable things.

Oil 🛢 is at $90, I am at the cabin and in good company, so even EVs get to see my soft side.

 

[Pib]

11 minutes ago, marino28 said:

https://electrek.co/2024/04/08/byd-launch-next-gen-ev-battery-more-range-lower-price/

 

this one is a game changer. 
if really in the near future the range go up do 1000km and the price will be even more cheap than now. I think I will buy one ev.

 

Not really a game change....just a good improvement in BYD Blade Battery capacity of approx 27%.   And that 1000km estimate is based on CLTC range estimation without saying how big the KWH battery size would need to be in a certain car model.  CLTC ranges are optimistic....even more optimistic than the optimistic NEDC estimate.   

 

For example, a BYD Atto 3 Extended range with 60.5KWH Blade Battery has a CLTC range of 510Km, a  NEDC of 480Km, and a WLTP of 420Km.     Say the the Atto 3 battery pack physical sized remained the same but its Gen 1 Blade Battery cells were replaced with this new Gen 2 cell with 27% more capacity it would now have around 77KWH capacity with a CLTC range of around 650Km, NEDC of 610, and WLTP of 535Km.

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, ExpatOilWorker said:

Oil 🛢 is at $90, I am at the cabin and in good company, so even EVs get to see my soft side.

 

 

Looks heavenly.