Boris Johnson - Fresh calls to resign after piss-ups in Downing Street - Partygate

[Chomper Higgot]

50 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Just my observations of life in the U.K , its all about Covid these days , the E.U is history and in the past 

The main issue right now, head and shoulders above everything else, is the cost of living crisis, inflation and rising poverty.

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The main issue right now, head and shoulders above everything else, is the cost of living crisis, inflation and rising poverty.

........................and the cause of that is Covid 

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, baboon said:

So in other words you don't know what you are talking about, but not letting that get in your way.

Congratulations, you win the Asean Now ultracrepidarian of the year award...

again

[Chomper Higgot]

14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

........................and the cause of that is Covid 

Everyone’s back to work, COVID is a background issue.

COVID is not driving up prices and poverty.

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Everyone’s back to work, COVID is a background issue.

COVID is not driving up prices and poverty.

The U.K got itself into debt by giving money to people during Covid , this has caused inflation and higher taxes needed to get the money back and also higher gas and electric prices due to the Ukraine war .

   The whole World is suffering similarly at the moment with food shortages , inflation and high energy prices  across the globe . 

  You are just trying to blame Brexit  , as you would like the U.K to rejoin .

 

[Chomper Higgot]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The U.K got itself into debt by giving money to people during Covid , this has caused inflation and higher taxes needed to get the money back and also higher gas and electric prices due to the Ukraine war .

   The whole World is suffering similarly at the moment with food shortages , inflation and high energy prices  across the globe . 

  You are just trying to blame Brexit  , as you would like the U.K to rejoin .

 

You’ve quoted my post, now can you point to the part that mentions ‘Brexit’?

[Mac Mickmanus]

27 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Everyone’s back to work, COVID is a background issue.

COVID is not driving up prices and poverty.

In your opinion, what is causing the current problems in the U.K ?

[JonnyF]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

She was reported to the police, tge police investigated and then did not issue her a fine.

 

If there was evidence of a crime, the police didn’t find it.

 

Tge police did however find evidence of Johnson  remaking the law and they issued him a fine.

Untrue. They warned her. They would not warn her if they did not believe she had committed a crime. They would have simply ignored it. Much easier for them.

 

By the way, H is right next to G on that dusty old keyboard of yours. ????

[Chomper Higgot]

44 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

In your opinion, what is causing the current problems in the U.K ?

There’s a whole nest of problems, I listed a few earlier in this thread, they have various causes but all share the same amplifying factor, mismanagement by a callous and incompetent government.

 

[candide]

20 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

In your opinion, what is causing the current problems in the U.K ?

Covid is the main driver, but it seems that Brexit is an aggravating factor (or vice versa).

https://www.ft.com/content/c6ee4ce2-95b3-4d92-858f-c50566529b5e

[Slip]

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Untrue. They warned her. They would not warn her if they did not believe she had committed a crime. They would have simply ignored it. Much easier for them.

 

By the way, H is right next to G on that dusty old keyboard of yours. ????

Are you trying to suggest that they officially cautioned her?  If not, what is the legal mechanism for such a "warning".  Thanks if you can offer any further info.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

Covid is the main driver, but it seems that Brexit is an aggravating factor (or vice versa).

https://www.ft.com/content/c6ee4ce2-95b3-4d92-858f-c50566529b5e

^ Behind a paywall 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

It was a stupid rule...  But thats not the point. 

 

The point is that those very people responsible for said stupid rule didn’t abide by said stupid rule themselves, meanwhile others faces expensive fines for breaking said stupid rules. 

So, has everyone who didn't fully adhere to the lock-down rules, been removed from their jobs for breaking such rules ?

   The people that face expensive fines are those people that organised mass public protests , rather than those have a glass of wine together with colleagues in private 

[candide]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

^ Behind a paywall 

Sorry, I could access it from Google search. It may be different if it aggregates links from this forum. Anyway, attached one of the main facts. However, I must admit that it is maybe still a bit early to draw definitive conclusions.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

Sorry, I could access it from Google search. It may be different if it aggregates links from this forum. Anyway, attached one of the main facts. However, I must admit that it is maybe still a bit early to draw definitive conclusions.

The graph shows that the UK s economy suffered more during Covid and has also made a better recovery after Covid 

[baboon]

31 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There’s a whole nest of problems, I listed a few earlier in this thread, they have various causes but all share the same amplifying factor, mismanagement by a callous and incompetent government.

 

You forgot the 'corrupt', too.

[BangkokReady]

On 5/25/2022 at 9:24 AM, SunnyinBangrak said:

I just can't understand why he is not forced to resign. Every single pro lockdown politician that contributed to the Covid lockdowns, which tore society apart, and broke their own rules must resign. Very simple. Johnson, Starmer, Rayner, Sturgeon, all of them. Not just in the UK. Across the pond Pelosi famously visited a hair salon against her own rules, and even had a party where she was mask less. Cortez too, prancing around maskless in Florida. 

 When these politicians break their own rules it totally undermines trust in government, the pandemic rules and their own parties credibility. It makes people question whether the pandemic was as serious as we were told. If they were held to account for their own actions I wonder if we would not have had lockdowns in the first place?

Generally, politicians look out for each other.  Probably because they know the shoe might be on the other foot at some point.  They will encourage someone to step down, but rarely is there anything bad enough a politician can do to trigger consequences.  Maybe if they do something that puts them in prison.

[candide]

46 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The graph shows that the UK s economy suffered more during Covid and has also made a better recovery after Covid 

Ok. However, considering that UK and the EU were more or less at the same level pre-Covid, the total surface between the UK curve and the EU curve in 2020 and 2021 represents a significant cumulative loss of GDP for UK. Of course, it cannot be scientifically proven that it is attributable to Brexit. However, in the absence of another identifiable cause, it is a reasonable assumption.

Will the gap persist or will it be compensated by a higher growth? We don't know.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Ok. However, considering that UK and the EU were more or less at the same level pre-Covid, the total surface between the UK curve and the EU curve in 2020 and 2021 represents a significant cumulative loss of GDP for UK. Of course, it cannot be scientifically proven that it is attributable to Brexit. However, in the absence of another identifiable cause, it is a reasonable assumption.

Will the gap persist or will it be compensated by a higher growth? We don't know.

All Countries have fared differently .

Why did E.U Countries fare worse than the USA ?

Could be that the U.K had more severe lock down rules than some other E.U Countries and that effected the UK economy ? 

[CharlieH]

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[candide]

3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

All Countries have fared differently .

Why did E.U Countries fare worse than the USA ?

Could be that the U.K had more severe lock down rules than some other E.U Countries and that effected the UK economy ? 

It's not only a guess game. The difficulties generated by Brexit, in particular from leaving the common market, have been extensively documented.

[bannork]

6 hours ago, candide said:

It's not only a guess game. The difficulties generated by Brexit, in particular from leaving the common market, have been extensively documented.

 

6 hours ago, candide said:

It's not only a guess game. The difficulties generated by Brexit, in particular from leaving the common market, have been extensively documented.

The Office for Budget Responsibility estimates a 4% drop in UK GDP due to Brexit whilst a 2% fall due to Covid.

[Rimmer]

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[transam]

16 hours ago, Mavideol said:

you are correct in one sentence, I am from EU country as for the UK leaving the EU that makes me extremely happy  555   it reminds me somebody who thought the grass was greener on the other side

The UK already knew the grass is greener on the other side, we had already been there....????

[robblok]

On 5/25/2022 at 2:10 PM, JonnyF said:

Exactly. They had all the data and decided the rules didn't need to be followed (when they thought the cameras were off). It does indeed make you wonder if the pandemic was as serious as we were told and whether lockdowns actually did more harm than good.

The number of deaths and now long covid (GF got long covid always tired) justified all these things. So I do believe in lockdowns. But the UK is a strange country. If ministers in the Netherlands had done something like that they would have resigned.  I guess in the UK there is no such thing as shame (among politicians).

[Mavideol]

19 hours ago, baboon said:

It is certainly not my opinion. Just take a look online and see for yourself the woeful state of the UK.

I know as just spoke with some friends and previous business customers and their state of mind is not good

[BritManToo]

8 hours ago, robblok said:

The number of deaths and now long covid (GF got long covid always tired) justified all these things. So I do believe in lockdowns.

So your gf took all the precautions and caught COVID anyway?

Or your gf is irresponsible and broke the rules?

 

It's gotta be one or the other!

When something doesn't work (lockdowns/vaccinations/masks) I tend to not believe in them any more.

[dunroaming]

On 5/26/2022 at 11:34 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

I m in the U.K now and involved in property rentals . 

There has been a huge fall in E.U citizens asking to rent properties and claiming housing benefit will pay their rent .

   The U.K is doing just fine without being controlled by you

You are right that there are a fall of E.U citizens in the UK.  Just look at the massive shortages in the NHS!  Try to get to see a Doctor or a Dentist.  Thousands have left the UK and moved back to their original country or elsewhere. 

[ozimoron]

19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So your gf took all the precautions and caught COVID anyway?

Or your gf is irresponsible and broke the rules?

 

It's gotta be one or the other!

When something doesn't work (lockdowns/vaccinations/masks) I tend to not believe in them any more.

How do you know they don't work? Just because some people still get infected? The science says that many more would have become infected without these precautions. References to the science provided many, many times previously.

[robblok]

22 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

So your gf took all the precautions and caught COVID anyway?

Or your gf is irresponsible and broke the rules?

 

It's gotta be one or the other!

When something doesn't work (lockdowns/vaccinations/masks) I tend to not believe in them any more.

You proud yourself on being smart, but your remarks are not that smart. Even with precautions you can catch covid. Precautions  lowers the risk they don't make thins 100% safe. Now if you want to prove that your smart and im wrong. Do show me where research says that precautions are 100% 

 

Next time try better Brit.... because this way you wont convince anyone your as smart as you say you are.