Voices: From hero to zero: How did faith in Boris Johnson’s premiership crumble in less than three years?

[onthedarkside]

 

How did Boris Johnson go from hero to zero in less than three years as prime minister? It wasn’t only about Partygate, though the Downing Street parties and Johnson’s woeful response to them was the catalyst for the confidence vote and became a symbol of his premiership.

 

Many Conservative MPs had doubts about Johnson when he succeeded Theresa May in 2019. The word in Toryland was that his support on the back benches was “wide but shallow.” Plenty of Tories had concerns about his character. They disliked his disloyalty towards May. He has now reaped what he sowed; his behaviour towards May is one reason why several Tories did not hesitate to call for a confidence vote in him.

 

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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/voices-hero-zero-did-faith-112114280.html

 

 

[baboon]

He is a habitual liar, cheat and an adulterer.

He was part of a cliqué who burned £50 notes in front of the homeless and could barely contain his smirk when asked about it.

He was sacked from his journalism jobs for lying.

He conspired to have a journalist beaten up.

He promised to Get Brexit Done. Now on hold until 2023.

He broke his own laws, lied about it and smirked. Heartbroken families trying to pick up the pieces after their loved ones had died of Covid, frightened, alone and confused.

The Crime and Policing Bill. 

Grandstanding policies such as shipping off asylum cases to Rwanda. If their cases are approved, they get to stay in Rwanda, not the UK.

 

Sorry, I am losing my temper now. I had better not continue lest I am sanctioned for repeated and foul language.

Edited June 6, 2022 by baboon

[Hummin]

Hard to understand for one looking from outside how he managed to get in power in the first place! 

 

Unbelievable

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

He promised to Get Brexit Done. Now on hold until 2023.

He got Brexit done , the U.K left the E.U in January 2020 . 

Boris got "Brexit done" 18 months ago .

How could you not know that ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

He was part of a cliqué who burned £50 notes in front of the homeless and could barely contain his smirk when asked about it.

Those allegations were aimed at his predecessor, David Cameroon and it was said to to part on an initiation ceremony to join a University  Club .

   Boris categorially has stated that he didnt participate and he had nothing to do with it , even stating about that Club "a truly shameful vignette of almost superhuman undergraduate arrogance, toffishness and twittishness." , Which is hardly "smirking" is it 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, baboon said:

 

He conspired to have a journalist beaten up.

 

Again untrue , A friend of Boris telephoned Boris asking for a Journalists address to give him a few black eyes ............................and nothing came of it 

 

"In the call, Guppy asks the young Mr Johnson if he could give News of The World reporter Stuart Collier's address to him so he could send round people to give the reporter "a couple of black eyes" and a "cracked rib" after the reporter began investigating crimes Guppy was linked to.

In the call Mr Johnson can be heard questioning "how badly are you going to hurt this guy?" but he never agrees to the idea.

The plan came to nothing and the Prime Minister has never apologised to Mr Collier."

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1562405/jon-nicolson-snp-cross-questions-lbc-boris-johnson-darius-guppy-vn

 

 

Edited June 6, 2022 by Mac Mickmanus

[baboon]

Not his best night:

148 Against
211 For
359 Cast

Now let's hope for a long war of acrimony among the CON party.

[JonnyF]

Hero to Zero?

 

He got Brexit done, negotiated the country's way through Covid and has just won a no confidence vote meaning he is immune to a leadership challenge for 12 more months. Best of all, the cherry on the icing on the cake is that the main opposition is the Labour Party, consisting of the likes of Dianne Abbot, David Lammy, Angela Rayner and led by Keir Starmer ????. So no matter how bad he looks (and he has looked pretty bad at times), the clowns opposite him always make him look mildly competent by comparison.

 

Hardly Zero. Sitting pretty would be a more accurate description. 

[Bluespunk]

Some days just waking up to the news is  wonderful experience.

 

The last few days of political news have been such.

 

I look forward to what is to come.

 

''Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.''

 

For Whom The Bell Tolls

 

John Donne

Edited June 7, 2022 by Bluespunk

[bannork]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Hero to Zero?

 

He got Brexit done, negotiated the country's way through Covid and has just won a no confidence vote meaning he is immune to a leadership challenge for 12 more months. Best of all, the cherry on the icing on the cake is that the main opposition is the Labour Party, consisting of the likes of Dianne Abbot, David Lammy, Angela Rayner and led by Keir Starmer ????. So no matter how bad he looks (and he has looked pretty bad at times), the clowns opposite him always make him look mildly competent by comparison.

 

Hardly Zero. Sitting pretty would be a more accurate description. 

Having 41% of your party MPs wanting you to quit is not sitting pretty. 

 

[Excel]

13 hours ago, baboon said:

He is a habitual liar, cheat and an adulterer.

He was part of a cliqué who burned £50 notes in front of the homeless and could barely contain his smirk when asked about it.

He was sacked from his journalism jobs for lying.

He conspired to have a journalist beaten up.

He promised to Get Brexit Done. Now on hold until 2023.

He broke his own laws, lied about it and smirked. Heartbroken families trying to pick up the pieces after their loved ones had died of Covid, frightened, alone and confused.

The Crime and Policing Bill. 

Grandstanding policies such as shipping off asylum cases to Rwanda. If their cases are approved, they get to stay in Rwanda, not the UK.

 

Sorry, I am losing my temper now. I had better not continue lest I am sanctioned for repeated and foul language.

And if anyone here or elsewhere deny those facts your quite rightly stated, then they are either in denial, approve of criminals running the country or are simply so far departed from the current plight of  so many British people. Remember the NHS that the liar said would benefit from the millions saved due to Brexit ? remember the below inflation increase that was a mere pittance his government awarded the NHS who heroically saved countless lives including his ?  So what a shame 2 years ago those heroic NHS nurses couldn't have foreseen the future and instead of working tirelessly to keep him alive so he could go on and break the law, instead just simply have turned his life support off.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Excel said:

And if anyone here or elsewhere deny those facts your quite rightly stated, .

He did not state facts . 

He stated made up things , like burning a 50 Pound note in from  of homeless people and conspireing   to get a journalist beat up .

   Those things didn't happen , they are NOT facts

[RayC]

12 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He got Brexit done , the U.K left the E.U in January 2020 . 

Boris got "Brexit done" 18 months ago .

How could you not know that ?

The UK may have formally left the EU but the deal that Johnson brokered was hardly 'oven-ready' as he claimed.

[JonnyF]

24 minutes ago, Excel said:

So what a shame 2 years ago those heroic NHS nurses couldn't have foreseen the future and instead of working tirelessly to keep him alive so he could go on and break the law, instead just simply have turned his life support off.

Charming.

 

I assume you are one of the lefty 'be kind' brigade?

[JonnyF]

34 minutes ago, bannork said:

Having 41% of your party MPs wanting you to quit is not sitting pretty. 

 

It will blow over.

 

A week is a long time in politics.

 

He's safe for another 12 months. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

The UK may have formally left the EU but the deal that Johnson brokered was hardly 'oven-ready' as he claimed.

People realise that no one can accurately predict the future about how future negotiations will pan out

[Excel]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Charming.

 

I assume you are one of the lefty 'be kind' brigade?

Seems like you are one of the fortunate few who thro the relentless and tireless work of the NHS did not need to save any of your own relatives. Unfortunately there are thousands more who owe so much to the NHS for the work they did and only an ignoramus would dispute or infer otherwise.

[JonnyF]

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Hard to understand for one looking from outside how he managed to get in power in the first place! 

 

Unbelievable

Ironically, it was the anti Democratic Remainers that provided him with the perfect platform.

 

All he had to do was say that he would deliver what the people voted for. Bam. Landslide victory. It really was that simple.

 

There's an important lesson in there there somewhere about not disrespecting voters, but it might be too complicated for the extreme, anti-democractic Remain/Rejoin factions to see. Jo Swinson learnt it the hard way.

 

 

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, Excel said:

Seems like you are one of the fortunate few who thro the relentless and tireless work of the NHS did not need to save any of your own relatives. Unfortunately there are thousands more who owe so much to the NHS for the work they did and only an ignoramus would dispute or infer otherwise.

What does that have to do with wishing death on Boris Johnson?

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Ironically, it was the anti Democratic Remainers that provided him with the perfect platform.

 

All he had to do was say that he would deliver what the people voted for. Bam. Landslide victory. It really was that simple.

 

There's an important lesson in there there somewhere about not disrespecting voters, but it might be too complicated for the extreme, anti-democractic Remain/Rejoin factions to see. Jo Swinson learnt it the hard way.

 

 

Have Brexit proved to be as beneficial and good for UK as it was promissed? I understand each and one would think different, but for Uk as whole, was it worth it? 

[Kinnock]

I'm sorry .... when was the 'Hero' bit? 

 

Brexit was a bad idea, and Putin is highlighting this every day, and Ireland post Brexit is a mess.  COVID management in the UK got off to a bad start too.

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Have Brexit proved to be as beneficial and good for UK as it was promissed? I understand each and one would think different, but for Uk as whole, was it worth it? 

Well that's a slightly different point but I will address it anyway.

 

IMO 2 years is too early to conclude on the economic side of things. You can't unravel decades of EU rules, regulations and incompetence in 2.5 years. Neither can you sign all potential trade deals in that timeframe but I believe long term (10-20 years) it will prove beneficial.

 

In terms of escaping the EU federalist project and regaining our sovereignty and democracy, it was absolutely worth it. I prefer the decisions affecting our country are made by politicians that we elect, not some unelected technocrat in Brussels. You can't really put an economic price on that.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Well that's a slightly different point but I will address it anyway.

 

IMO 2 years is too early to conclude on the economic side of things. You can't unravel decades of EU rules, regulations and incompetence in 2.5 years. Neither can you sign all potential trade deals in that timeframe but I believe long term (10-20 years) it will prove beneficial.

 

In terms of escaping the EU federalist project and regaining our sovereignty and democracy, it was absolutely worth it. I prefer the decisions affecting our country are made by politicians that we elect, not some unelected technocrat in Brussels. You can't really put an economic price on that.

To be true, Historical, there have never been a union that have survived time. 

[JonnyF]

6 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

I'm sorry .... when was the 'Hero' bit? 

 

Brexit was a bad idea, and Putin is highlighting this every day, and Ireland post Brexit is a mess.  COVID management in the UK got off to a bad start too.

He was never a hero. Likewise, he is far from zero now. A silly headline.

 

Brexit was a sound move though. Why do you think Putin is highlighting otherwise?

 

Brexit also made the vaccine rollout much quicker by removing political barriers which would have made going our own way on vaccines much easier. The EU made a right mess of it early on and many EU countries still have a relatively low % of adults fully vaccinated compared to the UK.

[Bluespunk]

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Brexit also made the vaccine rollout much quicker by removing political barriers which would have made going our own way on vaccines much easier.

Not true. The uk's vaccine roll out was permitted under EU rules and in fact began while still under the EU regulatory body that covers such matters.

 

13 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

The EU made a right mess of it early on and many EU countries still have a relatively low % of adults fully vaccinated compared to the UK.

Many of the major EU countries are doing better than the uk.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

Edited June 7, 2022 by Bluespunk

[RayC]

39 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

People realise that no one can accurately predict the future about how future negotiations will pan out

Many of the effects of the Brexit deal were not difficult to predict.

 

For example, as a result of leaving the EU Customs Union, there has been an increase in the amount of bureaucracy for UK exporters and the introduction of border checks has increased delivery times. Both factors have contributed to increased costs for UK exporters. Both of these events could be foreseen but not planned for in any meaningful sense by the UK government.

 

The DUP warned throughout the Brexit negotiations that they would not support a border down the middle of the Irish Sea. Johnson chose to ignore this statement. Again, the political impasse that has subsequently occurred in NI was not hard to predict.

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Many of the effects of the Brexit deal were not difficult to predict.

 

For example, as a result of leaving the EU Customs Union, there has been an increase in the amount of bureaucracy for UK exporters and the introduction of border checks has increased delivery times. Both factors have contributed to increased costs for UK exporters. Both of these events could be foreseen but not planned for in any meaningful sense by the UK government.

 

The DUP warned throughout the Brexit negotiations that they would not support a border down the middle of the Irish Sea. Johnson chose to ignore this statement. Again, the political impasse that has subsequently occurred in NI was not hard to predict.

That is going way off topic and it will all get deleted .

So, no point in discussing it 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Not true. The uk's vaccine roll out was permitted under EU rules and in fact began while still under the EU regulatory body that covers such matters.

 

Many of the major EU countries are doing better than the uk.

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1196071/covid-19-vaccination-rate-in-europe-by-country/

I didn't say it would have been unlawful, did I? I said that politically it would have been very problematic and huge pressure would have been put on us to follow the EU debacle had we still been a member (perish the thought).

 

As for the link, yes some countries have caught up now. But that wouldn't have helped the people dying while the EU was playing political games and messing up the rollout in 2020/2021. The UK vaccine rollout was streets ahead during that critical period.

[Kinnock]

11 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

That is going way off topic and it will all get deleted .

So, no point in discussing it 

Difficult to discuss Boris's political career and not include Brexit.

[Bluespunk]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I didn't say it would have been unlawful, did I? I said that politically it would have been very problematic and huge pressure would have been put on us to follow the EU debacle had we still been a member (perish the thought).

 

As for the link, yes some countries have caught up now. But that wouldn't have helped the people dying while the EU was playing political games and messing up the rollout in 2020/2021. The UK vaccine rollout was streets ahead during that critical period.

So I was correct on both points.

 

Good to see that acknowledged.