Bill Clinton: ‘Fair chance’ U.S. could ‘completely lose’ its democratic system in coming years

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

"...irrational hatred of Donald J. Trump."

 

"Edit to add, Im not surprised they didn't allow Jim Jordan there, he would have highlighted the absurd farce......"

 

Actually, they have subpoenaed him but he's too chicken to go. But hey, why let facts get in the way of your little fantasies!

 

Jan. 6 committee tells Jim Jordan what he didn’t want to hear

 

"Shortly before Christmas, the bipartisan panel reached out to the far-right congressman, seeking his voluntary cooperation, but he refused. Three weeks ago, the committee took matters to the next level and subpoenaed the Ohioan. Jordan responded by questioning the “constitutionality and validity” of the subpoena, and making a series of demands he expected to be met before he even considered whether to answer questions."

 

Rep. Jim Jordan avoids Jan. 6th Committee while bashing it

 

 

Why not? They wouldn't let him be on the committee in the first place.

[candide]

34 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Disagree - I think he was so busy on day one he's been exhausted since then:

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/01/20/fact-sheet-president-elect-bidens-day-one-executive-actions-deliver-relief-for-families-across-america-amid-converging-crises/

 

As far as deaths go, I think that the vaccine availability gave Biden a much better chance of keeping the numbers down. Recent waves (4 and 5) were almost as bad as 3 and there is no excuse for those. 

You may disagree as much ss you want  , but there is never an instant implementation of policies. Plus deaths occur around one month after first symptoms.

There is an excuse. The anti-vaccine and anti-mask propaganda and actions from a significant number of Trumpers, lead to a higher death rate among people who voted for Trump. Basically, Biden has been prevented from getting the full effect of his Covid-19 policies by his inconsequential political opponents.

 

Edited June 18, 2022 by candide

[Phoenix Rising]

18 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Why not? They wouldn't let him be on the committee in the first place.

Jim Jordan on the committee?? Kinda like having Heinrich Himmler serve as a judge during the Nuremberg trials.

[peter zwart]

On 6/17/2022 at 8:53 AM, placeholder said:

with certain limitations incorporated into its constitution designed to protects the rights of individuals against majority overreach.

That was maybe long long ago. Now its the corporated State that decide what happens.

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15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Disagree - I think he was so busy on day one he's been exhausted since then:

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/01/20/fact-sheet-president-elect-bidens-day-one-executive-actions-deliver-relief-for-families-across-america-amid-converging-crises/

 

As far as deaths go, I think that the vaccine availability gave Biden a much better chance of keeping the numbers down. Recent waves (4 and 5) were almost as bad as 3 and there is no excuse for those. 

You're right. There is no excuse for the lies told by the right wing about the dangers of vaccination.  Or are you going to claim it's mainly liberals casting doubt on vaccinations?

And you really think Republican politicians have been far more lackadasical about promoting vaccinations because vaccinations are a popular cause with their constituency? You think all those unmasked people attending Trump rallies indoors and outdoors were outliers? And finally, you think that by doubting highly respected source, in effect claiming possible fake news, you are actually making valid points?

 

 

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1 minute ago, peter zwart said:

That was maybe long long ago. Now its the corporated State that decide what happens.

Well, it cerainly true that corporate interests are stronger than ever in dictating what the State does. And what side of the political spectrum has been most enthusiastic about enriching corporations and enhancing their political power?

[Moonlover]

On 6/17/2022 at 9:41 AM, mikeymike100 said:

“I actually think there’s a fair chance that we could completely lose our constitutional democracy for a couple of decades if we keep making — if we make bad decisions,” Clinton, 75, said.

Well having had "sex" with an intern and got caught, I guess he should know?? LOL

 

On 6/17/2022 at 9:53 AM, mikeymike100 said:

The reference was to making bad decisions. However you do realize it was meant to humorous? hence the LOL?

If one has to return to the stage and explain that 'actually it was humour folks', then clearly it wasn't.

[mikeymike100]

7 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

If one has to return to the stage and explain that 'actually it was humour folks', then clearly it wasn't.

One man's noise is another man's music! Obviously not your kind of humor, fine. Don't fret about it!

[Scott]

Conspiracy post and replies reported and removed.

 

[nauseus]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

You're right. There is no excuse for the lies told by the right wing about the dangers of vaccination.  Or are you going to claim it's mainly liberals casting doubt on vaccinations?

And you really think Republican politicians have been far more lackadasical about promoting vaccinations because vaccinations are a popular cause with their constituency? You think all those unmasked people attending Trump rallies indoors and outdoors were outliers? And finally, you think that by doubting highly respected source, in effect claiming possible fake news, you are actually making valid points?

 

 

I'm talking about the timing of availability - not any possible dangers from these vaccinations.

 

'Highly respected' websites deserve that label if they demonstrate who they are and what they do.  

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3 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I'm talking about the timing of availability - not any possible dangers from these vaccinations.

 

'Highly respected' websites deserve that label if they demonstrate who they are and what they do.  

What do you mean by "demonstrate who they are and what they do?" Give an example of what you're after.

[peter zwart]

52 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, it cerainly true that corporate interests are stronger than ever in dictating what the State does. And what side of the political spectrum has been most enthusiastic about enriching corporations and enhancing their political power?

doesnt matter. Both sides will use it untill they find out that it will use them.

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5 minutes ago, peter zwart said:

doesnt matter. Both sides will use it untill they find out that it will use them.

And who are "they" exactly? And how exactly will this sinister organization use its enablers?

Edited June 18, 2022 by placeholder

[nauseus]

25 minutes ago, placeholder said:

What do you mean by "demonstrate who they are and what they do?" Give an example of what you're after.

Company information / managers / contacts / function / references ..............

[heybruce]

12 hours ago, nauseus said:

Oops, 58% of that one million have died during the present administration, even after it inherited the vaccines that did not start to become available until November 2020.   

And the majority that died after vaccines became available have been Trump supporting anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers.  These are the people that the science denying, press mocking Trump spent years conditioning to deny reality.

[peter zwart]

10 hours ago, placeholder said:

And who are "they" exactly? And how exactly will this sinister organization use its enablers?

Realy?????  okee: They - politician. Sinister Organization - Big company (lobby groups). Enjoy the day.

[bendejo]

On 6/18/2022 at 5:05 AM, Phoenix Rising said:

Jim Jordan on the committee?? Kinda like having Heinrich Himmler serve as a judge during the Nuremberg trials.

Have a look at the incident of when McCarthy attempted to put him on the committee.  Liz Cheney said he was potentially a material witness.  I think Jimmy J immediately cr_pped his pants when he heard those words.  There's a vid clip of him being asked about talking to DT on the phone a day or two after that, and he replies with nervous babble, like a shoplifter caught with merchandise under his coat.

The guy is a straight-up bully -- he's the tough guy when he has the numbers on his side, but cowers in the corner otherwise.  This stuff about the committee being unconstitutional is, if nothing else, a ploy to run out the clock.  I believe that, unfortunately, this mess will not be settled in time for the 2024 election.  2028 maybe, but the electoral process may be passe by then.

Jordan also is tied to the Penn State sex scandal of a few years back, it's alleged he saw things but didn't report them -- search and ye shall find.  Curious he was never taken to task on it.

 

 

[bendejo]

On 6/18/2022 at 4:28 AM, ozimoron said:

Trump is the presumptive GOP nominee for 2024. Not really equivalent is it?

He is the de facto top dog of the GOP.  Republican pols dare not cross him, not even the Senate majority leader.  Even if he doesn't run for 2024 he will still be a powerful force.  IMO he will run (if he is still breathing) and the other GOP wannabes will have the long knives out.  Anticipating red-on-red violence at the 2024 GOP Convention (or maybe red-on-orange?  ).  The wing-nuts of the right like to speak of the blood of patriots, we just might get to see some.

 

 

 

[ozimoron]

I guess this is one of the issues which prompted Clinton's comment.

 

The Texas Republican Party over the weekend voted in favor of a platform that refused to recognize the legitimacy of President Joe Biden's 2020 victory, while also declaring that homosexuality was an "abnormal lifestyle."

Appearing on CNN Monday, conservative commentator Margaret Hoover acknowledged that the Texas GOP platform was a significant problem for the party, although she tried to distance it from the views of run-of-the-mill GOP voters.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/texas-republican-party-platform/

Edited June 20, 2022 by ozimoron

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

The Texas Republican Party over the weekend voted in favor of a platform that refused to recognize the legitimacy of President Joe Biden's 2020 victory, while also declaring that homosexuality was an "abnormal lifestyle."

Appearing on CNN Monday, conservative commentator Margaret Hoover acknowledged that the Texas GOP platform was a significant problem for the party, although she tried to distance it from the views of run-of-the-mill GOP voters.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/texas-republican-party-platform/

Off the rails!