I'm not tipping anymore I don't give a

[SAFETY FIRST]

23 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

massage woman half way through the massage ,how much you tip me she says ?

Your tip will determine the results. 

 

Happy ending is more than the 300 baht oil massage price advertised. 

 

The more you tip, the happier you will be. 

 

 

BTW, you reckon you got some strange looks after you handing over a tip, wait and see the looks you get when you don't tip. 

 

Edited June 23, 2022 by SAFETY FIRST

[Mike Teavee]

7 hours ago, Regyai said:

 

This topic reminds me of the scene from Reservoir  Dogs... 

 

 

 

Funny tipping story happened to me yesterday... I always tip the Bolt driver 20 THB + whatever satang to round it up so I gets 90 THB ready for a 67 THB fare. GF sees me get 2x20s & a 50 ready, takes it from me & when we got home, gives him 100 THB.

 

I pointed out that I was already tipping him approx. 33% of the fare & she'd now increased it to 50%, her reply was that gas was expensive now & if I will buy drink for a lady then I can tip the driver an extra 10 THB... Can't really argue with that ???? 

 

[spidermike007]

11 hours ago, LaosLover said:

Very true. Thai culture involves small bits of giving every day, to the monks, to stray dogs, to each other. As affluent community members, a bit of tipping and temple donating goes a long way.

For me personally, I would rather tip and help out where I can, within Thai society. I am not a supporter of the temples, and do not really see the great service they are providing for the people. Perhaps you can clue me in, if I am wrong about this. 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

and do not really see the great service they are providing for the people. Perhaps you can clue me in, if I am wrong about this. 

free food and a place to stay for anyone that asks.

I used to live near a temple, at meal times there would always be a collection of elderly Thais walking there with an empty bowl in their hands. The temples feed many poor people every day.

[LaosLover]

The temple is also the spiritual repository of accrued merit for the community. Whether you buy into their version of Buddhism or not, most Thai people appreciate it if you give something to a temple and add to that pile 'o merit.

 

If I lived in a devout catholic place, I would likewise toss some change into their stained glass fund.

[Excel]

10 minutes ago, LaosLover said:

If I lived in a devout catholic place, I would likewise toss some change into their stained glass fund.

Hence the saying "Is that Fanny Green  on the front pew, no its just the light thro' the stained glass window" ????

[scubascuba3]

21 minutes ago, LaosLover said:

The temple is also the spiritual repository of accrued merit for the community. Whether you buy into their version of Buddhism or not, most Thai people appreciate it if you give something to a temple and add to that pile 'o merit.

 

If I lived in a devout catholic place, I would likewise toss some change into their stained glass fund.

Unbelievable the pressure that's on girls to send money home for merit, should be a crime really

[LaosLover]

My religious baseline: Is this faith-based action any nuttier than the wholly accepted Mormon Church? 

 

I come from the Bible Belt. Senior citizens who can't really afford it routinely send heating oil money to some awful minister. But if that's their belief system, I can't really fault it.

 

I gave $20 to a wat near the airport in Luang Prubang. And then 2 days later, I heard about it from my the hotel desk clerk. Western giving is def noticed. 

 

 I meant to support S-Mike's contention that little gifts in this little gift culture are generally appreciated and not necessarily seen as proof of sucker-dom.

 

 

[Reposed]

Gotta love Japan. they take so much pride in there jobs that tipping is considered a bribe, a serious insult.

 

Once accidenty left a few coins on the dining table and left the restaurant.

 

Minutes later the teen server, huffing and puffing, caught up to me, and handed me the coins.

 

THAT is service.

 

(Cue the virtue signalers with their Confused and Sad emoticons....same few posters)

[LaosLover]

That story may be of a certain vintage. I was there 4 years ago. Tips are happily accepted everywhere now. Starbucks has a tip jar.

 

What gets a tipping thread more agitated than the very concept of a tipping jar? All over Australia, veins are popping out of foreheads like garden hoses at the mere mention. 

 

In Manhattan, a couple of months ago, I saw a tip jar at a dry cleaner's.  It didn't have any money in it.

[Hellfire]

I only tip if they swallow. 

[Hellfire]

On 6/23/2022 at 7:29 AM, Walker88 said:

 

 

In a bar? Tip my server always. If it's an agogo, buy the server a drink sometimes, too. If a woman on stage dances well---I don't mean sexy, but rather is fluid and coordinated (think Michael Jackson or JT Taylor of Kool & the Gang), and also working to make customers enjoy the night---I will discreetly slip her a folded 1000 baht note as I leave the club.

 

 

For 1000 baht, I could have a long night of pleasure and sex with the best girl from Soi 6. Swallowing included. What you do is not a tip, it is a kind of perversion. I only hope they don't report you to police after you leave.

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Hellfire

[BritManToo]

On 6/23/2022 at 7:29 AM, Walker88 said:

In a bar? Tip my server always. If it's an agogo, buy the server a drink sometimes, too. If a woman on stage dances well---I don't mean sexy, but rather is fluid and coordinated (think Michael Jackson or JT Taylor of Kool & the Gang), and also working to make customers enjoy the night---I will discreetly slip her a folded 1000 baht note as I leave the club.

I'd expect her to come home with me for that.

[LaosLover]

I have seen the greatest ballet and modern dancer on earth. I never felt like directly giving any of the $33.

[Hellfire]

16 minutes ago, LaosLover said:

I have seen the greatest ballet and modern dancer on earth. I never felt like directly giving any of the $33.

This is because they don't have those Happy Beer Hours at the places they use for the ballet shows.

 

 

Edited June 24, 2022 by Hellfire

[LaosLover]

$16 for a small white wine at NYC ballet, so if you bought her one and you one, that's a thousand baht done and dusted.

[martin81]

In upcountry Thailand I feel tipping is not expected at smaller restaurants. I think tipping at smaller restaurants is a tourist thing.

 

I often tip smaller amounts at tourist places. Mostly I think ti is appreciated even if only 10 baht. Never tipped for laundry.

[NoshowJones]

On 6/23/2022 at 12:00 AM, Jingthing said:

I'm not sure Americans "love" tipping, but back there if you don't tip massively you invite being verbally assaulted. It's more like we're conditioned to tip. It is REQUIRED. 

That's true JT. Years ago before I went on a holiday to America. I read that I should be prepared to spend 20% of my spending money on tips. I decided there and then, no tips at all, though I wasn't stupid enough to go to a restaurant a second time.

[chalawaan]

On 6/23/2022 at 10:28 AM, georgegeorgia said:

Of course I'm sure it's different in non tourist areas 

its all tourist areas, other than the army barracks!

But you dont have to tip them. So far...

[chalawaan]

On 6/23/2022 at 11:54 AM, CharlieH said:

I had a job done recently by an Electrical guy, he drove 20km to me, spent 3 hrs sorting out a problem, 45minutes of that in the roof space with 36 deg heat so lord knows what it was like up in that space. When it was all finished, the electrical issiue fixed , he asked for 400 baht ! I gave him double !

I wouldnt have even come out that distance for 400 let alone what he did altogether. So yeah, that boy got a good tip ! Amazing service and VALUE in my book.

Imagine what the cost wouldve been in the West.

 

Generally out and about, no I dont tip unless its not bothering with "shrapnel" with change, and I dont regard that as a tip, more a convenience for me as I hate coins.

 

I done similar with a plumber, he came over after his workday on a site, wife helping, kids sat in the truck. My wife had arranged it all. Sorted out a serious shower wall leak in a jiffy, with no electricity therefore decent working light, due to the hazard of shower heater being connected to the mains, as always here.

Asked exactly the same, and I doubled, then went to B1000 because of the wife and kids, and covid. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by chalawaan

[SAFETY FIRST]

I've got a gripe.

 

These American chains, Hard Rock etc. they put a tip on the bill, bloody rude. 

 

I was working in Malaysia a few years back, I was a regular at the Hard Rock in KL. 

 

Friday evenings, the joint was so busy, very little service, waiting ages for a drink but I still had to pay a forced tip. 

 

Sadly, I see this rude behavior (forced tipping) is flowing on to many businesses now. 

[LaosLover]

5 hours ago, Sticky Rice Balls said:

they figure if youre foolish enough to buy SB coffee why not waste more money....

Some forms of begging, like in front of the BTS station, are bad. Some forms, like tip jars at Starbucks are fine.

 

Like when my nephew's want to sell me a $1 candy bar for a fiver to help them with their footie shirts; why am I involved? And it's not like their parents aren't rich. But this bit of faux-work is thought to be character-building and I am expected to faux-support them. I'd rather give money to a blind Issan singer on Soi 11.

 

Great Seinfeld ep where George keeps trying to get noticed and appreciated when putting money in a tip jar and the staff keeps turning their back on him. I have felt that pain.

[Mike Teavee]

5 hours ago, possum1931 said:

That's true JT. Years ago before I went on a holiday to America. I read that I should be prepared to spend 20% of my spending money on tips. I decided there and then, no tips at all, though I wasn't stupid enough to go to a restaurant a second time.

Lol, a mate of mine almost ended up in a fight with a waiter in New York as he refused to pay a tip. 

 

The waiter was just obnoxious & my mate had lived there for a few years so knew the score but it was still something that you don't normally see in a restaurant

 

I've since learnt that "Servers" in the US are taxed on the assumption that they will receive a certain percentage of every bill as a tip so by not tipping them you're costing them money (in this case the <deleted> deserved it). 

[cobra]

Tipping in the USA essentially is built-in for service industries as they're usually receiving minimum wage, which clearly is insufficient to completely support one's needs so tips help fill the gap..

The IRS even assumes a component of their income will be from undisclosed tips and are taxed on it.

 

I agree with the poster who said tipping here is more about sharing than gratuity. 

It has usually not been my experience that a received tip has not been appreciated. 

 

[NoshowJones]

8 hours ago, Mike Teavee said:

Lol, a mate of mine almost ended up in a fight with a waiter in New York as he refused to pay a tip. 

 

The waiter was just obnoxious & my mate had lived there for a few years so knew the score but it was still something that you don't normally see in a restaurant

 

I've since learnt that "Servers" in the US are taxed on the assumption that they will receive a certain percentage of every bill as a tip so by not tipping them you're costing them money (in this case the <deleted> deserved it). 

That is America's fault, the employers should not be so greedy and pay their workers a decent wage. There is no way I was going to pay 20% of my holiday money on tips in any country.

[zzaa09]

That old saying about Farang seems to run true.

Farang Khee Nok. 

[CharlieH]

29 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

That is America's fault, the employers should not be so greedy and pay their workers a decent wage. There is no way I was going to pay 20% of my holiday money on tips in any country.

 

Saw something recently where an American girl showed her wage slip for working  in a restaurant.

She had worked 70 hrs, and her pay was $2.18 per hour. After stoppages for health/ tax  etc she was paid $9.80 for 70 hrs ! without tips there would no point her doing it and even then she found it hard to live.

I entirely blame the owner paying so little and like other countries they shoukl be FORCED  to pay minimum  living working wage. Tips should be a bonus not a neccesity !

 

 

Here it is........

 

https://vt.tiktok.com/ZSdT9728V/?k=1

[LaosLover]

And yet, a restauranteur in New York tried to abolish tipping, charge a service fee, and his staff quit en masse. Like rent controlled apartments, tipping greatly benefits some servers at the greater expense of others.

 

In the above example where the waitress only makes $9, notice that she's not demanding change, she's demanding tips.

 

The US tax code is littered with various special interest taxes and relief's that no other country in the world has (like mortgage interest deductions). Some people benefit (homeowners), some don't (renters).Tipping works similarly.  

 

In a small percentage of high end restaurants, a waiter can make $1,500+ a night for merely being genial in a lightly skilled job. For someone working in a diner, it's a long slog of a day for $150 doing essentially the same work.

 

This being America, the $150 a day worker isn't outraged, he's hoping to cash on the deal up the road. As the joke goes, every American is a temporarily embarrassed millionaire waiting for his turn. Tipping culture subsidizes the good looking and middle class-polished, at the expense of the less so.

 

The people who need the least help, get the most in tipping culture. But nobody wants to give up their bite at the apple or their chance at it. So tipping will be with us for a very long time to come.

 

 

Edited June 25, 2022 by LaosLover

[BangkokReady]

On 6/23/2022 at 6:01 AM, BritManToo said:

except for 'extra' services

I wonder if the reason that some people might be annoyed by a tip is that they don't associate the tip with the service provided but rather think that it means the guy will want something in return later on.  There seem to be a few examples in the news where men use women owing them money as leverage to demand sex.

 

In my experience, even being being friendly and passing the time of day with a woman seems to be an indicator of sexual or romantic interest.  It wouldn't surprise me if giving money was seen as something similar.

Edited June 26, 2022 by BangkokReady

[BritManToo]

19 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

In my experience, even being being friendly and passing the time of day with a woman seems to be an indicator of sexual or romantic interest.

Why would you want to waste time speaking to a woman you don't find attractive?