Long traffic delays at Dover ferry port are fault of Brexit, claim French

[candide]

4 hours ago, roo860 said:

Spain and Portugal airports making it easy to enter the country, UK passport holders can join EU citizen line in Spain. 

I know who I'd give my hard earned cash to, and it wouldn't be the deleted French. 

 

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Whatever is going to happen next? Spain and Prortugal making their own rules at borders; Hungary and Poland keeping their own rules and blocking EU budget, France and Germany breaking fiscal rules. 
Brussels can’t rule its roost properly. The whole thing is falling to pieces. It won’t take long. 

 

4 hours ago, baboon said:

But I thought they had to do what Brussels tell them as they have no sovereignty? 

Having or not different queues for EU/non-EU (or UK/non-UK in UK) is only an organisational issue. It doesn't change the type of passport control. Even if there is a single queue, there will still be more (longer) checks for non-EU passports than for EU passports.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And a reason why people were going to France by road, is because of the current flight problems to places like Spain and Portugal 

I suspect it’s because they want to take their cars with them to France.

[baboon]

49 minutes ago, candide said:

 

 

Having or not different queues for EU/non-EU (or UK/non-UK in UK) is only an organisational issue. It doesn't change the type of passport control. Even if there is a single queue, there will still be more (longer) checks for non-EU passports than for EU passports.

You are absolutely right. I should have thought of that. Like the times I was ushered into the ASEAN / Chinese lines at Suvarnabhumi. It is still all Passport Control when it comes down to it.

Why have an angry throng at 5 desks while the officials at the others are floating like a leaf on the river of life..?

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Even if there is a single queue, there will still be more (longer) checks for non-EU passports than for

That is the point. Spain and Portugal have arranged their desks to accommodate the checks. Hence their times take no longer. 
France hasn’t. Inefficient organisation of the officers, a system not working, and still checking covid vaccination papers, then trying to divert the blame on Brexit when it’s their own sheer bloody mindedness. 

[vinny41]

3 hours ago, bannork said:

Regarding fairy tales, it was the Brexiteers who had to believe in the sunny uplands, Remainers were perfectly happy with the valleys and plains we were on.

But never mind, as a predominantly Christian bloc, the EU will welcome back the sinner for

there will be more joy in heaven over one country which repents than over 27 righteous countries which need no repentance.

 

According to this article the most popular boy's name in the UK is

Muhammad is the most popular name for boys born in the UK, it has been revealed

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/baby-girl-boy-names-2022-unusual-popular-b2119785.html

 

I must admit I don't know many Muhammad's that are Christian maybe you do

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I suspect it’s because they want to take their cars with them to France.

I suspect its because of all the recent flight cancellations and car was the only option 

[candide]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

That is the point. Spain and Portugal have arranged their desks to accommodate the checks. Hence their times take no longer. 
France hasn’t. Inefficient organisation of the officers, a system not working, and still checking covid vaccination papers, then trying to divert the blame on Brexit when it’s their own sheer bloody mindedness. 

And as usual....

 

"If you are traveling to Spain you must show valid proof of one of the following on entry:

being fully vaccinated. Your vaccination status must meet the Spanish authorities’ validity period requirements. See ‘If you’re fully vaccinated’.

a negative COVID-19 test: either a PCR taken within 72 hours prior to departure, or an antigen test taken within 24 hours prior to departure. See ‘If you’re not fully vaccinated’.

having recovered from COVID-19 in the last 6 months. You can use a medical certificate or recovery record to prove your COVID-19 status on entry to Spain. See ‘If you’ve had COVID-19 in the past year’."

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/entry-requirements

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, candide said:

And as usual....

 

"If you are traveling to Spain you must show valid proof of one of the following on entry:

being fully vaccinated. Your vaccination status must meet the Spanish authorities’ validity period requirements. See ‘If you’re fully vaccinated’.

a negative COVID-19 test: either a PCR taken within 72 hours prior to departure, or an antigen test taken within 24 hours prior to departure. See ‘If you’re not fully vaccinated’.

having recovered from COVID-19 in the last 6 months. You can use a medical certificate or recovery record to prove your COVID-19 status on entry to Spain. See ‘If you’ve had COVID-19 in the past year’."

https://www.gov.uk/foreign-travel-advice/spain/entry-requirements

Pretty much the same requirements needed to enter France  , the issue was how long it takes to do all those checks

[candide]

7 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Pretty much the same requirements needed to enter France  , the issue was how long it takes to do all those checks

Yet, the post to which I replied singled out the French for still checking Covid papers.

As concerns how long it takes to do a passport check, what's the evidence that It's faster in Spain than in France?

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, candide said:

Yet, the post to which I replied singled out the French for still checking Covid papers.

As concerns how long it takes to do a passport check, what's the evidence that It's faster in Spain than in France?

There's been some rumours that the immigration in Dover/Calais is a bit slow at the moment and taking hours/days to get through ..................maybe someone might start a thread about the delays ?

[candide]

23 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There's been some rumours that the immigration in Dover/Calais is a bit slow at the moment and taking hours/days to get through ..................maybe someone might start a thread about the delays ?

A mismatch between the flow and the available capacity is a different problem than a long time spent to check each individual entry.

 

There were too many tourists for the available number of booth, manpower or whatever. It doesn't mean that each individual check was too long. This is flawed logic.

 

There were probably shorter queues than expected in French airports due to cancelled flights, and it would be following the same flawed logic to conclude that individual checks have been faster.

[Loiner]

51 minutes ago, candide said:

Yet, the post to which I replied singled out the French for still checking Covid papers.

As concerns how long it takes to do a passport check, what's the evidence that It's faster in Spain than in France?

No complaints about the Spanish, only the French. Is it simply French incompetence or is it intransigence and spite? I reckon the latter. 

[nauseus]

10 hours ago, RayC said:

Again, a completely irrelevant response to my post.

 

It's also irrelevant which posts I choose to reply to; it's an open forum. If you want to have a private conversation use PM.

 

The other party in of the conversation you chose to join is under the delusion that Russia is part of the G7 and stamps his opinion with this QED show to try to give the impression that he is correct and intelligent.

 

But the opposite is true, yet you seem to want to agree with him. Up to you. 

[candide]

17 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No complaints about the Spanish, only the French. Is it simply French incompetence or is it intransigence and spite? I reckon the latter. 

Entry through Spain, Poland or France is subject to exactly the same procedure because it's an entry into the Shengen area. Exactly the same checks are made in any Shengen area country per EU regulation, and they are not allowed to do things differently. One country cannot be more lenient or more intransigent. There is no reason an individual check in one country should require more or less time than in any other country, I.e. they all have to check Covid documents.

 

The incident in Dover was obviously caused by a mismatch between the flow of entries and the processing capacity (booths, staff or whatever), and as usual France and UK are pointing fingers at each other. 

 

[transam]

14 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Those new booths are on the Dover side !!!!!!!

The delays are on the French side .

Dover is in the U.K 

Calais  is in France

I don't think he has read all the info out there.....????

[transam]

10 hours ago, bannork said:

Regarding fairy tales, it was the Brexiteers who had to believe in the sunny uplands, Remainers were perfectly happy with the valleys and plains we were on.

But never mind, as a predominantly Christian bloc, the EU will welcome back the sinner for

there will be more joy in heaven over one country which repents than over 27 righteous countries which need no repentance.

 

I don't think the UK wants to go back to funding EU club members with their hands out for UK cash, or the low-life from some of those countries filling up our prisons, or working for cash in hand and using our "free" NHS.........

Though UK Socialist seem to want it, strange that...????

[transam]

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The queues, costs and delays are all on the UK side, so are the related negative impacts.

Caused by the French, you forgot again.....????

[baboon]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

No complaints about the Spanish, only the French. Is it simply French incompetence or is it intransigence and spite? I reckon the latter. 

Spite because of what? Intransigence, why? There is no reason. It is just your imagination working overtime.

[Loiner]

7 hours ago, candide said:

Entry through Spain, Poland or France is subject to exactly the same procedure because it's an entry into the Shengen area. Exactly the same checks are made in any Shengen area country per EU regulation, and they are not allowed to do things differently. One country cannot be more lenient or more intransigent. There is no reason an individual check in one country should require more or less time than in any other country, I.e. they all have to check Covid documents.

 

The incident in Dover was obviously caused by a mismatch between the flow of entries and the processing capacity (booths, staff or whatever), and as usual France and UK are pointing fingers at each other. 

 

How do the Spanish and Portuguese manage the same checks without causing massive queues?

So the queues at Dover were caused by French incompetence in not matching their processing capacity to the forecasted flow of entries? Sure there’s not also a tiny touch of French buggeration factor in there too? They are not exactly well known for their bonhomie. 

[Loiner]

4 hours ago, baboon said:

Spite because of what? Intransigence, why? There is no reason. It is just your imagination working overtime.

No, it’s the French not working at all, or working too slowly. No overtime at all there. 

[transam]

4 hours ago, baboon said:

Spite because of what? Intransigence, why? There is no reason. It is just your imagination working overtime.

Says a non-French bloke.....????

[bannork]

23 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No, it’s the French not working at all, or working too slowly. No overtime at all there. 

And now the Brexiteers are going to get mad at the Spanish too.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brits-travelling-spain-must-prove-27568620

Oh the benefits of Brexit!

 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, bannork said:

And now the Brexiteers are going to get mad at the Spanish too.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brits-travelling-spain-must-prove-27568620

Oh the benefits of Brexit!

 

Well yes, perhaps it's a ploy to stop the riff-raff .....????

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

And now the Brexiteers are going to get mad at the Spanish too.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brits-travelling-spain-must-prove-27568620

Oh the benefits of Brexit!

 

And Remainers will be happy with those new rules ?

[baboon]

42 minutes ago, Loiner said:

No, it’s the French not working at all, or working too slowly. No overtime at all there. 

It's what you voted for. You should be happy.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

How do the Spanish and Portuguese manage the same checks without causing massive queues?

So the queues at Dover were caused by French incompetence in not matching their processing capacity to the forecasted flow of entries? Sure there’s not also a tiny touch of French buggeration factor in there too? They are not exactly well known for their bonhomie. 

In which port did 10,000 tourists/day enter Spain last week-end?

[bannork]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

And Remainers will be happy with those new rules ?

The Remainers were fully aware the excrement would hit the fan with Brexit which is why they voted remain.

So they're not happy, but not surprised.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, bannork said:

The Remainers were fully aware the excrement would hit the fan with Brexit which is why they voted remain.

So they're not happy, but not surprised.

How did the Remain voters  know that there would be a technical glitch with the Calais immigration in six years time and that there would be vigorous Covid status checks when entering France ?

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

It's what you voted for. You should be happy.

As far as the queues affect me, I really don’t care. They are probably all Remainers anyway. 
As far as seeing confirmation of French spitefulness, quite satisfied. 
As far as being rid of the wretched EU, it’s not finished yet, but extremely happy. 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

How did the Remain voters  know that there would be a technical glitch with the Calais immigration in six years time and that there would be vigorous Covid status checks when entering France ?

Remainers probably looked in the same crystal ball that forecast Armageddon.